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Aeyon
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Topic: Urgent help on AA and shades of colour concept
Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:00am

Allright guys. This is my attempt at AA and getting on level grounds with shades of a colour. I'm going horribly wrong somewhere with this... It's making me pull my hair, I really want to improve in pixel art but today I thought I'll take a step back and see if I can understand the concept of AA and shades instead of going straight into a piece of work, now I don't want you guys posting those awesome tutorials of AA, Shading, colours etc but I want to know where I'm going wrong... I just can't get to grips with it...
So yeah Where am I going right and wrong?
cheers guys!
-Ati

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Hapiel
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:12am

Even tough you don't want to, I still post one because it tells all you need.

Use a color between the blue and the brown. Not a color that is even more different from brown, that will never blend!

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Aeyon
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:13am

the background was originally white or transparent...
okay so i'm going to take your advice and change the background.
bare with me.

okay actually..
i'm fully aware of that... I do know about the blending and such but what I really needed to know was if I was actually using the right shades...
Also can I ask someone to do me a big favour? I need someone to show me how it is done but by only using the shades I have set out (If the shades are correct even)
I'm going to tackle this!
-Ati

Edited by Aeyon - 06 October 2008 at 11:22am

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Quake
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:15am

The easiest colour to AA on, is a black circle to a white background.. It means you just need to make it inbetween, which is easier to idenitify ;P

Also, i wouldn't really choose a circle, to be honest.. An irregular shape is far more easier and useful.

Edited by Quake - 06 October 2008 at 12:15pm

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Aeyon
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:37am

Hey Quake I tried what you said... and this is the result...

Please please please tell me I got it that time? (AA and the correct shades)

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Quake
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:15pm

I'd say that's pretty good. A bit over-AA in some places..

By the way, you don't need to AA every pixel. This causes it to look blurry and bulky,minimum is always better :P

Other than that, i see no problem.

I also love the AA on the Question mark, i think you've got it right there :P

Hope i helped.
yay another Uk citizen xD
-Quake

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Aeyon
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:47pm

Awww dude!! thanks man!!! I'm not so lost and confused as much I was. did i get the shades right?
yeaaah UK! from the Northern Quarters!
-Ati

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:53pm

Lol, Scotland i presume?

And really, the values of the colours doesn't really matter, you just need to be lighter than the outline and starting to move towards the background colour.

SO on that note, the colours you've chosen are perfect :P

I'm from Midlands btw..

-Quake

Edited by Quake - 06 October 2008 at 12:56pm

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Aeyon
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:57pm

Cheers mate! I'll probably start on a piece and see how the AA goes when used more practically.
Manchester!!!! Sorry I didn't mention North of England. XD

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:08pm

Before you go ape sh*t on the AA listen up.

AA is only used when needed.
You do not want to AA EVERY single outside pixel.
This is important you have to look at a piece and see where needs AA.
If you see jaggys erase them or AA them, curves are fun to AA just don't need to get every pixel on the way down.

You could have wanted those jaggies though, iunno.
Don't restrict yourself to single pixels, you can AA off an edge and if you do it well it works.

Edited by Souly - 06 October 2008 at 1:10pm

I am the jesus of PJ.

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Aeyon
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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:13pm

Originally posted by Souly

Before you go ape sh*t on the AA listen up.

Aw man, I know all that, I'm no kid. I now know the purpose of AA and that it isn't always needed but no need for being harsh ya know. I'm a newb but hell aint that much 'a noob!

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:31pm

It was meant as a saying.
Twas not attacking your or swearing at you.

I am the jesus of PJ.

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:33pm

No offence.. but that's how Souly gives you info :P

He doesn't go for the kind approach, he just tells the truth. Which is always needed and to be honest, he's 10 times as good as me ;P

-Quake

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Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:34pm

Ah I'm sorry then.

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Aeyon Seaman Joined: 01 October 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Topic: Urgent help on AA and shades of colour concept Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:00am
	Allright guys. This is my attempt at AA and getting on level grounds with shades of a colour. I'm going horribly wrong somewhere with this... It's making me pull my hair, I really want to improve in pixel art but today I thought I'll take a step back and see if I can understand the concept of AA and shades instead of going straight into a piece of work, now I don't want you guys posting those awesome tutorials of AA, Shading, colours etc but I want to know where I'm going wrong... I just can't get to grips with it... So yeah Where am I going right and wrong? cheers guys! -Ati
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Hapiel Rear Admiral Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:12am
	Even tough you don't want to, I still post one because it tells all you need. Use a color between the blue and the brown. Not a color that is even more different from brown, that will never blend!
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Aeyon Seaman Joined: 01 October 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:13am
	the background was originally white or transparent... okay so i'm going to take your advice and change the background. bare with me. okay actually.. i'm fully aware of that... I do know about the blending and such but what I really needed to know was if I was actually using the right shades... Also can I ask someone to do me a big favour? I need someone to show me how it is done but by only using the shades I have set out (If the shades are correct even) I'm going to tackle this! -Ati Edited by Aeyon - 06 October 2008 at 11:22am
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Quake Commander Joined: 03 September 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 190	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:15am
	The easiest colour to AA on, is a black circle to a white background.. It means you just need to make it inbetween, which is easier to idenitify ;P Also, i wouldn't really choose a circle, to be honest.. An irregular shape is far more easier and useful. Edited by Quake - 06 October 2008 at 12:15pm
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Aeyon Seaman Joined: 01 October 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:37am
	Hey Quake I tried what you said... and this is the result... Please please please tell me I got it that time? (AA and the correct shades)
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Quake Commander Joined: 03 September 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 190	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:15pm
	I'd say that's pretty good. A bit over-AA in some places.. By the way, you don't need to AA every pixel. This causes it to look blurry and bulky,minimum is always better :P Other than that, i see no problem. I also love the AA on the Question mark, i think you've got it right there :P Hope i helped. yay another Uk citizen xD -Quake
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Aeyon Seaman Joined: 01 October 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:47pm
	Awww dude!! thanks man!!! I'm not so lost and confused as much I was. did i get the shades right? yeaaah UK! from the Northern Quarters! -Ati
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Quake Commander Joined: 03 September 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 190	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:53pm
	Lol, Scotland i presume? And really, the values of the colours doesn't really matter, you just need to be lighter than the outline and starting to move towards the background colour. SO on that note, the colours you've chosen are perfect :P I'm from Midlands btw.. -Quake Edited by Quake - 06 October 2008 at 12:56pm
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Aeyon Seaman Joined: 01 October 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:57pm
	Cheers mate! I'll probably start on a piece and see how the AA goes when used more practically. Manchester!!!! Sorry I didn't mention North of England. XD
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Souly Commander Joined: 13 December 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2451	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:08pm
	Before you go ape sh*t on the AA listen up. AA is only used when needed. You do not want to AA EVERY single outside pixel. This is important you have to look at a piece and see where needs AA. If you see jaggys erase them or AA them, curves are fun to AA just don't need to get every pixel on the way down. You could have wanted those jaggies though, iunno. Don't restrict yourself to single pixels, you can AA off an edge and if you do it well it works. Edited by Souly - 06 October 2008 at 1:10pm
	I am the jesus of PJ.
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Aeyon Seaman Joined: 01 October 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:13pm
	*Originally posted by Souly* Before you go ape sh*t on the AA listen up. Aw man, I know all that, I'm no kid. I now know the purpose of AA and that it isn't always needed but no need for being harsh ya know. I'm a newb but hell aint that much 'a noob!
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Souly Commander Joined: 13 December 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2451	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:31pm
	It was meant as a saying. Twas not attacking your or swearing at you.
	I am the jesus of PJ.
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Quake Commander Joined: 03 September 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 190	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:33pm
	No offence.. but that's how Souly gives you info :P He doesn't go for the kind approach, he just tells the truth. Which is always needed and to be honest, he's 10 times as good as me ;P -Quake
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Aeyon Seaman Joined: 01 October 2008 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:34pm
	Ah I'm sorry then.
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