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Hi, I've done some shading practice, and I'd like some help :).
I tried 3 different kinds of shading and I think the dithering one, in the middle, is the best one of these. But I still think that it doesn't look too good ;( - you can still see the pixels too well. (Maybe it's because it's a ball, that it's harder to dither -because it's not straight.)
Any tips to make it look better? :PP (and yes, I've read the tutorial on spriteart.com ;) )

Edited by gabrielgabbe - 19 July 2007 at 3:39am

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gabrielgabbe Seaman Joined: 02 July 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Topic: shading Posted: 19 July 2007 at 2:50am
	Hi, I've done some shading practice, and I'd like some help :). I tried 3 different kinds of shading and I think the dithering one, in the middle, is the best one of these. But I still think that it doesn't look too good ;( - you can still see the pixels too well. (Maybe it's because it's a ball, that it's harder to dither -because it's not straight.) Any tips to make it look better? :PP (and yes, I've read the tutorial on spriteart.com ;) ) Edited by gabrielgabbe - 19 July 2007 at 3:39am
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Blueberry_pie Rear Admiral Joined: 24 July 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2176	Posted: 19 July 2007 at 3:29am
	Well, a good start would be to save it using a lossless file format like GIF or PNG. Also moving this to the WIP forum because that's where critique and comments go, even if you don't plan on submitting the final piece to the gallery.
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klav Commander Joined: 01 December 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 128	Posted: 19 July 2007 at 4:14am
	*Originally posted by gabrielgabbe* Hi, I've done some shading practice, and I'd like some help :). I tried 3 different kinds of shading and I think the dithering one, in the middle, is the best one of these. But I still think that it doesn't look too good ;( - you can still see the pixels too well. (Maybe it's because it's a ball, that it's harder to dither -because it's not straight.) Any tips to make it look better? :PP (and yes, I've read the tutorial on spriteart.com ;) ) Try moving the highlight to a point on the sphere thats closer to you. this will help with a more three-dimensional effect. i put red dots where the brightest spot should be.
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gabrielgabbe Seaman Joined: 02 July 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 19 July 2007 at 6:36am
	okay! thanks man ;)
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soda Commander Joined: 19 May 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 224	Posted: 19 July 2007 at 8:51am
	The one in the middle looks the best, but maybe just because it has the most sphere shape, good job on it though.

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Hatch Admiral Joined: 05 August 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1387	Posted: 19 July 2007 at 9:01am
	The third one has very odd dithering. It makes it looks hairy. Definitely go with the second one. And I realize you're just practicing shading, but you could try to get the shape of the sphere more accurate. Each one has odd bumps and depressions here and there.
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Platnium Commander Joined: 27 June 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 319	Posted: 19 July 2007 at 1:08pm
	Go with the second one and the circles dont look like circles.
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gabrielgabbe Seaman Joined: 02 July 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 20 July 2007 at 12:39am
	Any better? ^^(oh forgot to delete the black lines, but whatever) Edited by gabrielgabbe - 20 July 2007 at 12:39am
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Club Beuker Commander Joined: 29 January 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 513	Posted: 20 July 2007 at 12:50am
	Way better than the first tries. Yet there's a lot of dither on that one
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gabrielgabbe Seaman Joined: 02 July 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 20 July 2007 at 1:02am
	thanks, but I still think it looks like you can see the pixels too well (maybe it's the colours) Edited by gabrielgabbe - 20 July 2007 at 1:02am
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gabrielgabbe Seaman Joined: 02 July 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 20 July 2007 at 6:39am
	now im making this kirby-looking creature :p, feel free to give tips ;), i've just started with it:P But I dunno if it should have shoes , kinda like this, or jump like this (or jump AND wear shoes xD) I'm not rly sure about the shading and colour of it either, though :P. I'd like some comments and tips! :)
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soda Commander Joined: 19 May 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 224	Posted: 20 July 2007 at 9:14am
	The colors are to dark on the kirby, lighten the colors and you should be ok. But remember, you don't have to dither everything, if you want a shinier look, don't dither.

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gabrielgabbe Seaman Joined: 02 July 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:28pm
	but ppl go crazy if u pillowshade ;/
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Pixel_Outlaw Commander Joined: 01 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3829	Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:38pm
	*Originally posted by gabrielgabbe* but ppl go crazy if u pillowshade ;/ Please don't type like a 12 year old pre teen. For the original post: Remember that the highlight contours will form more of an oval if the viewers eye is not at the same angle as the light source. And material determines how much dithering is needed and how many mid tones you need. The roughness of the material is directly proportional to the amount of dithering or mid tones needed. The rougher the material, the more dithering or mid tones. Just remember to ask yourself, "What surface material am I trying to make?". Edited by Pixel_Outlaw - 20 July 2007 at 3:38pm

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Hatch Admiral Joined: 05 August 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1387	Posted: 20 July 2007 at 3:52pm
	Also, whether you dither or not has absolutely nothing to do with pillowshading. You can have a dithered pillowshade. They have nothing to do with each other.
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Metaru Commander Joined: 28 December 2025 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3305	Posted: 21 July 2007 at 2:11am
	dithering is not the answer.
	I ate leel's babies
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zeid Midshipman Joined: 16 January 2025 Online Status: Offline Posts: 46	Posted: 21 July 2007 at 3:03am
	The roughness of the material is directly proportional to the amount of dithering or mid tones needed. I wouldn't go that far, though dithering can act as a form of texture I feel that it is overly used this way despite being originally implemented as a colour restriction technique. dithering is not the answer. I concur entirely. Dithering is a polishing/finalising technique, it isn't needed till later stages really. To quote Adam Atomic "whats worth more a rough diamond or polished crap?"
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gabrielgabbe Seaman Joined: 02 July 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 23	Posted: 21 July 2007 at 4:33am
	1st, stop insulting ppl wtf :/ 2nd, this is not a debate, its about my kirby-looking creature 3rd please give tips Edited by gabrielgabbe - 21 July 2007 at 4:35am
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Di0xygen Commander Joined: 03 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 401	Posted: 22 July 2007 at 6:13pm
	4rth... learn to read geez, All your answers have be answered..
	c==3
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