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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 02 August 2005 at 11:53pm
Truth, it is nearly impossible to get any photo with as much detail as a picture of Jack would be to that palette.  If you are going to attack someone as beloved, talented, and respected as So-Lou, you better get some evidence first...  Otherwise you sound like an idiot...


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Quote ryan-gfx Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 12:37am
Okay okay okay enough I think we've knocked truth down a peg, moving on.
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Quote So-lou Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 5:10am
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Hey I like those Aztec dancers on the old one. Anyhow, that "Jack" face looks more like a contrasted/polarized or whatever you call it photograph. Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?

It looks too modified to me to be pixel art.

That's a big call you're making there, but since I can prove that I don't 'mess around with filters and color depth' and do all my work in paint, I don't feel accused at all. ^_^ So you can believe whatever you want to believe, the real pixel artists know what I can do, and that's good enough for me. So shut yer pie hole! (heh pie hole.)

Besides, anyone can see my Chucky tutorial to see how I do these things. Filters...HA!

 

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Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 8:18am

I don't want this thread to turn into a defense of So-lou (or any other pixel artist), but throwing around accusations of using filters/color depth without examining the art or the pixel artist is about as insulting as it gets.  Be more careful in the future.

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Quote truth Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:07am

I don't think I ever claimed So-lou did use a filter. I hinted that it looks like it to me. Your hostility hasn't knocked me down any pegs, anyhow, but if you want to go on believing delusions to make you feel bigger and better than me, fine. I consider everyone better than me, anyhow.

Speaking of facts, perhaps if you could read English or had a greater understanding of it, you wouldn't assert at me so outrageously. But I suppose that's to be expected, most people on earth hate the truth, and I think that's the problem.

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Quote Garage Inc. Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:16am

Truth, I am quoting you,

"Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?"

Instead of just throwing around accusations, learn what your talking about first. I don't think I have seen one piece of pixel art from you. Why not post something, we will give you crits, and you see if you like the truth.

For every second spent wondering if you can do something, you could spend 2 seconds doing it.
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:17am
Originally posted by truth

Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?

Originally posted by truth

I don't think I ever claimed So-lou did use a filter. I hinted that it looks like it to me. Your hostility hasn't knocked me down any pegs, anyhow, but if you want to go on believing delusions to make you feel bigger and better than me, fine. I consider everyone better than me, anyhow.

Speaking of facts, perhaps if you could read English or had a greater understanding of it, you wouldn't assert at me so outrageously. But I suppose that's to be expected, most people on earth hate the truth, and I think that's the problem.

Your hypocrisy is astounding. Read your own text and figure it out. There shall be no more of this, Truth. Post pixels and comments relevant and pixel-related or leave.

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Quote truth Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:19am
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Truth, I am quoting you,

"Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?"

Instead of just throwing around accusations, learn what your talking about first. I don't think I have seen one piece of pixel art from you. Why not post something, we will give you crits, and you see if you like the truth.

Yes, well, if you'd read what you quoted instead of trying to deceive other people, you'd realize that I did not make an accusation. It was a general question that applies to everyone, this is a public forum.

Anyhow, I have posted art, and if you're willing instead of trying to make me look like a coward, you'd go in search of it. Regardless if I posted it or not, obviously my post was more of a compliment if indeed the person did not modify a scanned picture floating around the Internet. Therefore, you are overreacting and trying to play big-brother where it is not needed...nor are you doing a good job.

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Quote Garage Inc. Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:29am

You know, this might get me in trouble with Luke, but I really don't care because I feel like not only do I want to say this, but I think I speak for alot of people when I say this.

You are really getting on my least nerve. You try to make yourself sound and feel better by puting others down and trying to make youself sound smart, when really, you have no clue what you are talking about. If you want be liked, or atleast not be hated, around here, you really should stop argueing with people. If you have something to say, say it, but don't get into a big arguement about it.

O ya, and if this isn't accusing someone of doing something, then I don't know what is.

"Instead of playing around with filters"

Now have a nice, f**king, day.



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Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:39am

EVERYBODY: Please get the collaboartion threads back on topic!!!  I'm just as guilty as anyone for letting the topics get so far astray, but let's try and keep the bitchfests out of the collab threads.  Thanks.

truth:  Enough is enough. I've seen you personally insult at least four members (myself included) during your short visit here and I'm getting tired of it. Drop this hostility immediately or leave. If you would like to discuss this further you can PM me.



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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by So-lou

I got crits and I worked hard on them. Unlike some people...*cough*

 

 

Ta daaaaaaa. It's jacky boy - does he look carved? Lucas helped me a tonne on this - thanks lucas.

 



WOW. This is really really awesome.

I think though, in my personal opinion, it would look better coming out of the pole rather than carved in wood. That would be like.. creepy. "heeeere's JOHNNY!".. right.. I hope that's what he says in the movie.. I haven't seen it in a bit. XD But yeah, I think coming out of the pole would be wicked awesome. Regardless, it's still a brilliant peice of pixel art, really. Bravo. :)
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Quote ryan-gfx Replybullet Posted: 03 August 2005 at 10:27pm
Aleiav she had to make it carved INTO the wood because in the movie, jack was in between two sides of the door with his head poking through.

I think this way it's even MORE genius :3

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 2:16am
Ooooh. Okay. :) *thumbs up*

aand here's my entry!



.. hope it's okay. :) Took me awhile.
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Quote 1ucas Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:18am
err... Looks like he had his eyeballs removed...

ouch...

The shirt looks horrible with those color bands. Try dithering it a lot, and be sure to give it some shape instead of a smooth gradient. The guy's wearing a shirt, not a plastic chest cap.

The arm is very pillow shaded, and the reason why it got this name is obvious here: it actually looks like clothing over a pillow, not flesh.

The dithering on the beanie is weird and isn't really improving it in any way.

So I'd suggest you to work on this a lot more. It doesn't look too good.

EDIT: and, on a personal note, Eminem SUCKS.

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Quote Sensei Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 10:44am
Word.
Anyways it looks like you traced the eminem picture and it looked good you thought that, ah nobody will notice its not ready i will post it.


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Quote ryan-gfx Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:38pm
It looks like Eminem has a massive tanline on his chest. Dithering, my friend. Dithering.

Oh and like I said on deviantart, try making the base thicker so that it doesn't look so thin and stick-like

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Quote Vidd Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by So-lou

I got crits and I worked hard on them. Unlike some people...*cough*



Was that aimed at me?
I think it was so I trashed the Mario one and made a Wario one from scratch.
I hope it's more like the sort of thing you want. :/

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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:28pm
i dont think it was aimed at any1
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:23pm
yet again you just added on to the base. I think the idea was to make your own, and put it between the top and bottom of the bases, rather than just putting stuff over it. Plus a whole lot of it isnt finished yet. Or so it seems.
"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."
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Quote Psychotic_Carp Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:55pm

Originally posted by Saboteur

yet again you just added on to the base. I think the idea was to make your own, and put it between the top and bottom of the bases, rather than just putting stuff over it. Plus a whole lot of it isnt finished yet. Or so it seems.

 

where does it say it has to be that way?

got game?
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Quote So-lou Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:56pm
Nope, not aimed at you Vidd.  I can't wait to get home and finish my totem.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 7:23pm
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where does it say it has to be that way?

Where did I say it had to be that way? I was just offering some criticism, because I think you can do better than what you've currently displayed. And I believe somewhere in the beginning the same thing was suggested.

It is supposed to look carved into wood, though, not random peices of anatomy pasted on to a log. Ok, that makes it sound a lot worse than it is, but I think you get the idea.

"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."
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Quote ryan-gfx Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Saboteur

not random peices of anatomy pasted on to a log.





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Quote Crazie Cathie Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 9:19pm
Ok... here's mine... I'm not sure it's finished, I would like to make the top and bottom blend more, but I'm stuck on what to do... any ideas?

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 9:23pm
I'll go back and do some dithering.

If anyone can help me with the eyes, that'd be great. Like.. ACTUAL help. Other than pointing it out like a three year old. Constructive criticism is the key here.

@ Sensei: ... what? I got the part about tracing the picture but.. you lost me after that.

@ 1ucas: I can understand if you don't like Eminem. I'm not asking you to. But it's obvious I like him if I'm going to spend a lot of time making a totem for it, the least you can do is not act like an ass. I mean, if I absolutely HATED The Shining I wouldn't come on and say, "The Shining SUCKS" or if I hated Mario I wouldn't come on here and say, "Mariou SUCKS".  Because it's immature, pointless, and rude. So.. grow up.


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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 10:09pm

Alieav: Whoooa, you edited your post in the time it took me to make this one...

Here's a clarification off the bat:

Sensei: 'Anyways it looks like you traced the eminem picture and it looked good you thought: "Ah, nobody will notice its not ready. I will post it."'

Duuude, simmer. You submitted something with a few errors, they got pointed out. It's gonna happen, they all figure you could do better. Maybe a little better, maybe a whole load better. Every peice has room for improvement, and every person has potential to help you in whatever you do. Listen to them, instead of criticising their criticisms.

Before you submit something, look carefully at every part of it. Look for consistency in style, lightsourcing, texture, AAing, dithering, and basically every other pixelling aspect you can think of. Looking at yours a few things jump out at me immediately. I'm gonna list em off in a wonderbarish fashion

1: The bottom is connected to the dude, but he doesnt look connected to the top.

2: His right forearm reminds me a little of Fat Bast**d, and his left reminds me of someone who really got too lazy and uninterested to finish their artwork. 

3: His shirt -shudder-... yeah, what can I say other than you should've labelled it a WIP because of that shirt alone. What, you didn't want to? You gotta put a little more effort into things if you wanna end up at so-Lou and Jaeden caliber.

4: The bandana has much more contrast than the face, or it's got a mildly different light source. Or something.

5: I can't really tell what the hell's going on with the post behind him. It reminds me frighteningly of gradients, so something there needs some fixing. Oh, I wanted to say this earlier. It's not our job to tell you exactly what to do with your art, only what we see wrong with it.

6: The ribbon would not support itself. Not to mention it also looks gradienty, and the text is hard to read.

On a couple of positive notes, I think the hands and face look awesome. Parts of the face look odd. Actually, the right of his face seems to be giving birth to pac-man. And I disagree about the eyes, he has eyes, he just might be stoned. Not surprising... stupid Eminem. Also, there's a blip on his right forearm (our left) that looks odd.

And you DO care what he thinks about eminem, or you'd have said nothing about it at all.

Holy frig, what a lot of typing.

Cathie:

Wow, and welcome to PJ!

I think you just rocked the wings, but a little less contrast on the body would help it look a lot less lumpy, methinks.



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Quote 1ucas Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 11:18pm
Aleiav: you're asking ME to grow up? YOU are the one who's ignoring all the errors and suggestions I pointed out just so you could feel all offended about my irrelevant remark about Eminem. I have all the right to say I don't like the guy, and if you were so secure about your taste like you say, you wouldn't be disconsidering my ENTIRE comment because I mentioned my dislike for him.

So YOU're the one who should grow up and stop being an ASS. The fact I don't like Eminem and I'm not afraid of saying it doesn't makes any of my crits invalid. Grow up and learn how to differ opinions from crits.
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 04 August 2005 at 11:39pm

Okay guys, chill. Let's keep this thread focused okay?

Aleiav: Looks pretty good at least in the facial region and hands but, it looks unfinished everywhere else. The highlights don't match up to the human anatomy. Oh, and I hate Eminem as well. That doesn't mean jack squat though... artists should always relate their art to what they're into I think. Keep it up!

 

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2005 at 1:01am
Good grief guys. I'm not angry or anything. 

I don't have a problem with being criticized at all. That's not what made me slightly irritated. I just have a problem with errors being pointed out and little to none help being gived to SOLVE the errors. That's all.

And as for liking him, I don't care if you do or don't. It just increased my aggravation that you put that with a sarcastic little smile with the comment on top of not showing me how to fix the eyes or the arm. I understood dithering on the shirt but.. what good is pointing out an error if you aren't going to give suggestions on how to fix it. I am secure in my taste but.. and I don't know how to say this without sounding cheesy but.. he's influenced me a lot in life and he does mean a lot to me so.. I will admit I do get personally offended when someone says he sucks. There's a difference between not liking him and saying he sucks. Again, I don't care if you do or don't but.. after all I described before, with that comment.. it just aggravated and frustrated me.

I did appreciate your crits, but just.. if you're going to give crits, at least show HOW I can improve and perhaps try not to be so discouraging. Again, I do appreciate them.

And thanks Saboteur for your crits.

While you were giving that and all these posts were made, I was busy editing mine with all the crits I got everywhere.



And I dithered! Quite a bit actually. ... I'm kind of worried that I overdid it in some places. and DAMN THAT BANDANNA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I CAN NOT get it to work right! *hits it*

.. and he looks bugeyed... :P .. which is kind of funny.

aah, anyway, lemme address your crits Sab,

1: The bottom is connected to the dude, but he doesnt look connected to the top.


Yep.. I tried to connect him to the top but since his head is titled he just looked like a funhouse mirror version. Didn't work well. So I thought maybe he could be coming OUT of a column like maybe a Greek statue or something.. so then I just decided to make him seperate.

2: His right forearm reminds me a little of Fat Bast**d, and his left reminds me of someone who really got too lazy and uninterested to finish their artwork.


:P heh heh.. Fat Bastard... yeeaah.. looking back on that arm.. it is rather bad is it? and the other one's a bit too big. I hope I corrected that with my new version.. if not let me know.

3: His shirt -shudder-... yeah, what can I say other than you should've labelled it a WIP because of that shirt alone. What, you didn't want to? You gotta put a little more effort into things if you wanna end up at so-Lou and Jaeden caliber.


Oooh, I doubt I could get that far even WITH work. :P Well.. I was apprehensive approaching dithering because.. I didn't think I'd do very well at it. Looking at it now it does have a smoother look with the dithering and.. I think it is better in that aspect definately.

4: The bandana has much more contrast than the face, or it's got a mildly different light source. Or something.


I DO hate that bandana... I'm confused on how to fix it. It's totally fubarred. I COULD try hair but... maybe I will.. I'm just a bit apprehensive about it because.. I SUCK at hair. :P But.. hey, it's worth a go.

5: I can't really tell what the hell's going on with the post behind him. It reminds me frighteningly of gradients, so something there needs some fixing. Oh, I wanted to say this earlier. It's not our job to tell you exactly what to do with your art, only what we see wrong with it.


Well, I understand that. But if I don't know HOW to fix it there's no way even telling me what's wrong with it's going to help. So if you can't point out how or make a suggestion.. there's really no point in saying anything at all, you know?

umm.. yeah, maybe the column could use some dimming down. More.. columnish. :P I'll edit that.

6: The ribbon would not support itself. Not to mention it also looks gradienty, and the text is hard to read.


What do you suggest making it hold up? .. string? That would look funny. I kind of got the idea from like... a tatoo.. with a scroll thingy.. hmm.. it IS looking shabby. I think I could make it bigger and wrap around the column.. maybe?

It's a column totem. I AM odd.

anyways.. so I got 3 more days to fix this all up. :P

Thanks all for crits, really. I do appreciate them. :) As well as the compliments.



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Quote So-lou Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2005 at 4:48am

'Actually, the right of his face seems to be giving birth to pac-man.'

 

That is the funniest thing I've read all day, thanks Saboteur! And yes, Eminem has gone downhill...waaay downhill. *shudder* And was never really uphill in the first place. o_0

 

ANYWAY here's a totemy preview of totemness.......totem:

 

 

I may have it finished tonight. \m/ or tomorrow...

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Quote Vidd Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2005 at 7:15am
Fixed up the skin a little.

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Quote ryan-gfx Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2005 at 1:15pm
No totem would be complete without a SOPHIE totem!



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Ahh so-lou..  what would we do without your pouty lips.

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Quote So-lou Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2005 at 5:14pm
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I look so solemn and emotional.  I love you man, just wait till you get on AIM....
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Quote Crazie Cathie Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2005 at 9:17pm
Thank you Saboteur for your comments, I appreciate your imput... I did a bit of editing and I think it's done...  Now, Ryan, do I need to  send it to you through DA or will you just snag it here? Please let me know....
Anyway, here it is....


Oh and Aleiav, just wanted to say that your edit looks great! Amazing improvement!


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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 05 August 2005 at 11:47pm

Ryan: Looks great dude except that it looks rather pasted on to the totem and has no real carved look to it like your other pieces.

So-lou: you look so... dare I say it? .. normal in that picture!The other ones I've seen of you portray a wild crazy aussie. This one looks like the calm before the storm

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 06 August 2005 at 1:51am
Alrighty! Finally done with all the edits. So here's my official totem! :D


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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 06 August 2005 at 1:56am

Aleiav, thanks for actually going back and finishing it, it looks much better than it did before. The only thing left is the fact that he looks as if he's in front of the totem, but that's beyond resolve.

And congrats for fighting through the bandana! 

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Quote zachriel Replybullet Posted: 06 August 2005 at 2:12am
Aleiav, unfortunatly you removed the old version before I could see it so I don't know what the fuss is all about. But after reading all the comments you got about it, you must've improved it a whole lot!

Well, you said it's a finished piece, but this might come in handy for your next piece then:

  • You've missed a spot on his neck, between the necklace and the shirt. I think a few pixels of the darker shade would make that spot not seem forgotten..
  • I'm still pretty new to dithering, and I'm not sure what you "should" do all the times, but isn't it a bit weird to mix dithering with cellshading? I'm talking about the face and the bandana. Out of what I've read I think you had the shirt cellshaded at first, but this dithered version looks really good, so I think the face and bandana would look even better with dithering all the way..
  • Okay, maybe the face is fine as it is.. But the bandana looks unfinished

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 06 August 2005 at 2:24am
Edit: @ Cathy: Thanks! :D

@ Sab: Thanks :D I tried connecting his head with the totem but since he's turned at an angle.. it looks weird. :P I don't think I'm skilled enough to pull it off without it looking weird. But.. if anyone wants to give it a go, they're more than welcome. :P

@ Zac: Thanks. :) Ooh yeah. :P Neck thingy. I can't believe I didn't catch that. :P It must be one of those things where you look at a peice for so long you miss some things, ya know?

Hmm.. I'm not really experienced at dithering either. I usually use it to make stuff a shade darker instead of the full intensity, which is why there's a bit of dithering on the bandanna and face. Because the lightest color is a bit too intense to cell shade. I'd consider dithering his face but.. I think the pixels are too close for that. If I dithered his face.. eeh.. it might look blurry. But.. I'm not a master of dithering either. Someone better at it might be able to pull it off but.. I thought the face and the bandanna were  too small of an area to dither.


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Quote zachriel Replybullet Posted: 06 August 2005 at 10:13am
Ok, not sure this made it any better.. 
I dithered the face and bandana (and did something about that empty area on the neck)



if you wanna keep it please save it to your own computer, 'cause I'll remove it from the image host soon.

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Ugh! Finally, I finished it. I've rushed the last few parts of this so don't worry about pointing out stuff such as 'the tail is crap' and 'it doesn't look carved' and 'this sucks' because I know. So shut up. Please. Thanks!

 

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Nice sophie. If you dont mind, I added a few little highlights to "accent" some parts and give it a little more edge. I think it makes alien's shiny body stand out a little more :)

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Quote So-lou Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 12:56am
Okaaaay. *eye twitches*
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 1:06am
So-lou: that f**king rocks my socks off! And it actually does look carved. Awesome work... I'm impressed as usual
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Quote So-lou Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 1:15am
Thanks pixelblink. *relaxes* This is like basically the one positive thing said to me the past few weeks.
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Quote Rifts Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 3:33am
is there a place to see the finished totem so far?
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Quote 1ucas Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 3:45am
Nope. You`ll have to wait.
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Quote Rifts Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 9:29am
dawww :( i cant b botherd to wait.. it takes so much effort lol seems like
some good stuff has been put thru tho :P
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Quote 1ucas Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2005 at 10:57am
Yeah. Last year was a lot better, but I'm really glad we had quality artists we didn't had last year like So-lou here and Mistress Jaeden over dA
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Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2005 at 9:52am

Heh, So-lou's alien is doing some serious grinding. This is a PG-13 forum you sinner.

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