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    Posted: 21 October 2011 at 5:28pm


So I've been working on this sort of alien-landscape-ish scene, and I feel that the composition of the piece could be much better. Any suggestions? The intended mood is desolation; the implication is that the creature depicted is one of the last of its kind with natural wisdom beyond man's grasp, standing together with a human friend, etc etc...

(The alien started out as a wrecked ship but halfway through I started changing it into... this. I'll leave it up to you whether this is its natural shape or whether it's some sort of alien creature wearing an ancient ship as a shell like a hermit crab or something.)

Of course, I'm going to add some reflections from the planet/moon in the water, as well as make the water actually look like water.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 21 October 2011 at 7:39pm
Composition looks good to me. You can easily adjust this with the water reflections and the intensity of the light from the moon. The size of the moon can entirely change things and is my only real crit now. Its rather small and if this creature is the last one and is self conscious then surely its expressing its hope in the distant moon. Therefore the moon should be more hopeful and inviting or calling.

*moon and water are used for commenting only. This may well be another world :)


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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 21 October 2011 at 7:43pm
looks like a top pixel art of the month in progress to me.  The mood isn't really one of desolation.  More of one of those moments in a movie when two companions arrive at some serene place at night and enjoy each others' company-a bonding moment.  Having the two looking "upward" toward a scene is uplifting rather than desolate.  Even if inside the characters are desolate, we can't really know that with just one image.
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Quote reis Replybullet Posted: 22 October 2011 at 4:59pm
Add a dithering around the work, will become more fluent, or instead, add one more color to the shadows.
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Quote Partack Replybullet Posted: 23 October 2011 at 12:55am
I don't know why but the hard line going through your picture disturbs me.. Obviously the rule of thirds come into play and you seem to have it in the right perspective.. but even if you removed it it seems too plain. I realise this is a WIP and the water and sky and stuff will be modified, but I wanted to bring this small point to your attention and see if you could see it too. I dunno, maybe I'm just crazy. I love the colour scheme and the feel and texture of everything but I kinda want to see another colour.. it's all so blue. the red helps but . i dunno. maybe a more greeney blue? or not. perhaps the cold desolate colours will help the finished picture. when I first looked at this piece, I thought the object on the left was a boat.. and I had to look closer. without your description I wouldn't have known what I was looking at.. Maybe you like it that way. Maybe not. *shruggs* perhaps you could have some of the alien (if you haven't figured out yet what the alien looks like without the shell) poking out of the bottom/front of the ship to show that it's wearing the ship on it's back? just throwing ideas out there.

Looking forward to seeing the finished work.

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Quote CELS Replybullet Posted: 23 October 2011 at 1:37am
This is above my level and I have little to add, except that if the focus is supposed to be the interaction between a human and some alien organism / machine, then I think you may be right about the composition.

I wonder why you've opted to use a top-down, bird's eye perspective. Wouldn't a lower perspective, ground level, make it easier to focus on the interaction between the gigantic creature and the small person looking up at him? Like this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/CELS83/Pixel%20Art/fixedalien.png

Not so much a suggestion as a question.




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Quote Partack Replybullet Posted: 23 October 2011 at 2:52am
Oh that's much better. maybe that's what it was that bothered me.

Yeah the new perspective seems to really fit the picture now. It's as if my eyes didn't know where to look first when looking at the picture but in the edited version my eyes are immediately drawn to the left. It also gives more depth to the creature and the boat looks like it's part of the creature now instead of an afterthought. I noticed you also cropped the picture putting the focus into the bottom left and that kinda helps it for some reason. I'm still shaky on my rule of thirds but I think, that there is science.

great edit.

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Quote Gecimen Replybullet Posted: 23 October 2011 at 8:15am
or you could make the left island break the horizon as well.
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Quote Drazelic Replybullet Posted: 23 October 2011 at 8:17am
Originally posted by Partack

when I first looked at this piece, I thought the object on the left was a boat.. and I had to look closer. without your description I wouldn't have known what I was looking at.. Maybe you like it that way.


Yeah, that was part of the point. Responses to what the organism really is varied when I showed it to different people; some saw a hermit crab wearing a ship, some saw a rooted mangrove-like creature which survived by filtering the coastal water for nutrients, and some saw a biotech airship meant to be piloted by the human. I like to think it's up to you!

Originally posted by CELS

Wouldn't a lower perspective, ground level, make it easier to focus on the interaction between the gigantic creature and the small person looking up at him? Like this?http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v179/CELS83/Pixel%20Art/fixedalien.pngNot so much a suggestion as a question.


That... IS a good idea. Exactly the sort of help I wanted! I'll be sure to lower the perspective like in your mockup.
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Quote Christoballs Replybullet Posted: 23 October 2011 at 8:27am
The moon looks out of place (because of its hue) and its shape isn't quite circular. It attracts a lot of attention, too, despite its small size. I think that if the creature is the most important part of the composition, you'll have to tone down the moon, maybe add some clouds next to it to dissipate it, and of course add more light reflecting on the creature. Contrast is an issue for now.
Furthermore, if you added some reflected light on the water, the sense of place but also of space will be better conveyed.
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Quote Drazelic Replybullet Posted: 24 October 2011 at 10:35pm


I'm not sure if the stars were the right way to go- on one hand, they have great coolness potential, but on the other hand they're way too distracting. Campfire is also under scrutiny, and I'm thinking about lowering the horizon line even further.

Similarly, after looking at it again I'm thinking I'll decrease the width- I overshot it with the increase this time, I think. Also got to figure out how to add back in those cliffs on the left.

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Quote CELS Replybullet Posted: 25 October 2011 at 12:41am
It's still very pretty. I like the way you've drawn the stars, except that the contrast looks a bit too high, so it's distracting, as you say.
 
In terms of composition, it's my understanding that splitting the image in two equal halves is a bad thing, so lowering the horizon to follow the rule of thirds is probably good. Or keeping it as it was.
 
Nice use of colour for the campfire by the way.
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Quote Partack Replybullet Posted: 25 October 2011 at 1:42am
Beautiful! Especially love the colours used on the lights and darks near the camp fire. that purple makes me happy. Before, everything felt so.... I donno.. cold and.... empty and devoid of ...motion? energy? ... 'things' ? but you've fixed that wonderfully now. (I especially love the intricate attention to detail on the monsters horn thingie.

Two things I can say for definite, lower the horizon, lower the contrast/opacity of the stars.

Exactly what CELS said, rule of thirds come into play and splitting a horizon straight down the middle is usually a no no.

Stars are certainly too bright and distracting. Don't get rid of them though, they're beautiful. Just make em more subtle and that should sort all that out.

Quick question, what are they (the creature and person) looking at? have you decided yet?

Keep at it, this piece is wonderful! You're extremely talented and I'm jealous

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Quote Gecimen Replybullet Posted: 25 October 2011 at 2:15am
Originally posted by Drazelic



I'm not sure if the stars were the right way to go- on one hand, they have great coolness potential, but on the other hand they're way too distracting. Campfire is also under scrutiny, and I'm thinking about lowering the horizon line even further.

Similarly, after looking at it again I'm thinking I'll decrease the width- I overshot it with the increase this time, I think. Also got to figure out how to add back in those cliffs on the left.


Drazelic there's one problem with the stars. We can not see the stars that are placed too close to the moon (especially when it's full moon) because of its brightness. I think if you empty the surrounding are, and maybe change it to a glow around the moon instead, it'll look better.

The fire looks very cool, but the man is too misshaped.
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Quote Drazelic Replybullet Posted: 17 November 2012 at 3:54pm


Man, it's been a while. I think that instead of toning down stuff I actually basically toned everything up and now it's a huge mess of stuff.

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Quote crozier Replybullet Posted: 17 November 2012 at 5:51pm
Wow this is just so amazing. Your work impresses me every time.
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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 18 November 2012 at 7:38am
omg.  When do you think you'll finish this?  I hope that you don't burn out and that this piece gets the 100% done treatment.  I see it being worthy of being used as household artwork as a poster.  It's incredible, and the new direction and detail with the stars and wispy lighting makes sense now.  
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Quote A-Red Replybullet Posted: 18 November 2012 at 9:03pm
Really nice work as always, and a bold venture away from the kinds of stuff you usually make.  I love the sky and its reflection most of all.
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Quote RebelBinary Replybullet Posted: 19 November 2012 at 12:28pm
Impressive, I like campfire! The reflection on the water is awesome really makes it look better than without, although the starts and moon do look like they grab more attention in the foreground.
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Quote Nevercreature Replybullet Posted: 23 November 2012 at 4:07am
I can see a masterpiece.
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Quote Gecimen Replybullet Posted: 27 December 2012 at 3:40am
Wow this has gone crazy. Jus tone thing: the moon lighting is so powerful that every small wave directly below the moon in the sea/lake, reflects it more or less. Like this.
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Quote 1337B337 Replybullet Posted: 29 December 2012 at 9:35am
Going in the inspiration folder.

(Sorry to whoever first thought of that, it's an awesome idea.)
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Quote Drazelic Replybullet Posted: 28 January 2013 at 5:02am

Still messing with composition even as I get into the detailing stages.
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Quote paler123 Replybullet Posted: 28 January 2013 at 6:15am
H Drazelic,

just came across this thread,

some random thoughts,

First thing that stands out for me and its present in the origional image is the perspectives on the alien ship,  seems off in places and some of it looks a little flimsy, just some small things.  i like the idea of it though, nice.

the nebula effect effect in the sky is very strong, a bit distracting, i would calm it down a bit. Also i would have made the moon/planet a lot bigger and had some of it slightly behind the peaks on the right hand side.  Also parts of the sky is very dark, darker than some areas of the foreground,  i would have kept some luminence in the sky and added darker areas to the foreground.  it currently feels a little backward.

Also as gecimen pointed out the reflections in the water dont match up with whats above, little things like these loose credibility in in the scene.

the perspective in the rockface on the left is off.

the rays eminating from the fire are a bit harsh and the light from it should cast a bit further to the right on the objects.

Id expect some stronger highlighting on the rockface on the right hand side of the screen being cast from the moon and nebula.

the palette is a little limited if thats yer plan, thats cool but id define\seperate the water and ground a little clearer in the foreground its cool to have them merge more in the distance.

anyway,  yer making great progress, keep going :)



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