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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Topic: [Newly INCOMPLETE] Kirin vs Giant Bat
    Posted: 20 November 2006 at 2:54pm


OLD VERSION



NEW VERSION


It's no longer all done. I am redoing every aspect of this piece in my free time which is very hard to come by.

Basically the only thing I've reworked so far are parts of the Ki Rin's tail and the background. While the Kirin will basically stay the same minus some new texturing and general smoothing out, everything else will be receiving  a huge overhaul.

There is already a good example of what I can do with the fire in this topic so crits aren't as necessary here as they are for other parts. I am well aware of most of the flaws I'd like to fix but crits are always welcome. I'm not sure when I'll be getting to this but, like I said, I'll be fixing it up when I have time. I figured I'd just update this first post since the topic was revived and I still am doing stuff with it.




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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 3:01pm
oh wow that's perty
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 7:35pm
red X :(
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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 7:39pm
Really? That sucks. I figured photobucket was dependable but this'd be the second time that someone wasn't able to see something of mine. 
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 7:48pm
http://imagehost.ensellitis.com FTW.

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Quote Scruffs Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 7:55pm

haha thats awesome dude, love how the fire is turning out.

a couple things i noticed:

- the texurte of the bat is good but the blue is a fairly large jump in hue.  Make it more of a purplish hue and itll look great.  Also desaturate it a bit.

-also i assume you'll have some start highlights on the bat and lower person because of the large fire pillar?
 
other than that looking good dude, looking forward to more progress.  Really like the wizard too.
 


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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 8:07pm
Good point about the blue on the bat. That blue is shared with the wizard robe so it'll be a slight change. Not too drastic.

And yeah, I'll be highlighting the bat and girl too. Although I'm wondering just how much I should highlight them. Since the flame is a huge lightsource, you'd think there'd be a lot of yellows on them however, I fear that it'd clash too much. Or, rather, I don't have enough faith to douse a nicely shaded bat with yellow.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 20 November 2006 at 8:13pm
Yay, image works now 
I see what you mean about yellows on the bat. It does need it badly however.
ps: Do show efinal even if its a hybrid piece. Looks great so far.
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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 21 November 2006 at 2:59pm


I did the bat lighting and worked on the kirin. Any crits on the bat lighting or my dithering would be appreciated. And of course, whatever else you got is appreciated too.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 21 November 2006 at 6:43pm
Looks fantastic, the yellow lighting on the bat helps alot. You may not need to go overboard with it but it definetely wanted some. Does the horn have to be so big, seems almost out of scale. The only thing that I would mention is that unless there is a reason for it. The flame that is the 'mane' changes direction on the tail. If nothing else the fireblast would blow it in the same direction as the fireball.
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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 21 November 2006 at 7:12pm
Shrinking the horn might not be a bad idea. And yeah, the fireball blast probably would send the tail flames the same way. I was thinking that the flames were going in the direction the tail was moving but...they're actually going the wrong way anyways. XD 
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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 22 November 2006 at 2:33pm
Updated the complete piece! This is more or less a bump which is more or less against the rules but...that's just how I roll. I can handle a warning if need be. ;)
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Quote Shadowgamers Replybullet Posted: 22 November 2006 at 2:36pm
Jesus christ, the white on bright yellow kills my eyes at the bottom :<   

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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 22 November 2006 at 2:56pm
then my goal is achieved. Giant blasts of fire in your face aren't sposed to be gentle on your eyes.

Just kidding! :p

But don't worry, the piece is toned down in the NPA version. I'll be sure to post that one too.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 22 November 2006 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by Doppleganger

...I doubt my employer would be too keen on me spending much more time on this piece...


I know that feeeling :/ Looks great anyhow. Don't forget to show the final hybrid version, k
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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 23 November 2006 at 6:49am
The hybrid version is there. You have to copy and paste the link from the top into your browser cuz I'm "retarded".
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Quote Akira Replybullet Posted: 23 November 2006 at 4:45pm
hrm the npa and pixelled parts don't mesh together very well. also i feel that you need a darker grey to get better depth in the smoke. nice work overall though.
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Quote Videl Replybullet Posted: 23 November 2006 at 11:59pm
Originally posted by Shadowgamers

Jesus christ, the white on bright yellow kills my eyes at the bottom :<   


Wow it sure does! That's a great piece of art!
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Quote yuko511 Replybullet Posted: 24 November 2006 at 3:57am
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Quote Equinoxx Replybullet Posted: 24 November 2006 at 4:29am
looks friggin ace.

one thing that brings it slightly down imo is the start of the firecloud. it could use way more contrast there.

but perhaps that's nitpicking on a piece like this
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Quote Swiifty Replybullet Posted: 24 November 2006 at 8:45am
The dragons tail looks a little flat in the middle point. Otherwise it looks nice.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 24 November 2006 at 12:50pm
The hybrid certainly could have blended better. Since this was a commission and the client obviously approved, its all good.
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Quote MurrMan Replybullet Posted: 24 November 2006 at 5:36pm
is it just me or is the white darker than the brightest yellow in the flame?
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 24 November 2006 at 5:41pm
no, but its a blueish white, which, combined with the overall yellow/orange hue of the flames causes it to be interpreted as a shadow, thus causing yout eye to see it as a darker shade

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 24 November 2006 at 5:51pm
exactly!
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Quote Blick Replybullet Posted: 24 November 2006 at 11:01pm
There are some things that have bothered me about this image the whole time and I just hoped you'd address it on your own since I didn't want to bother pointing it out.

The horse/dragon's cheek, neck, transition between the back and front end, and the point of origin of the fire spell.

First, the neck and transition between back and front end of the horse/dragon. They're very linear and stiff looking. There's no fluent movement, just straight lines. The underbelly of the horse is like linear and I can't comprehend how it'd form into the tail. Here's a silhouette of what I'm seeing the covered part as:

I think the underbelly should curve in a bit before it's overlapped by the spell, making it slightly convex rather than straight to make the unseen transition more believable.

To fix the neck, I think a smoother transition into the head rather than a sudden 45 degree angle would help it a lot.

The cheek has too dark of a shadow and makes me think of when people fill their mouth with air and their cheeks puff out. The shadow separating the cheek from the rest of the face should be lighter, shallower, I think. It's a noticeable problem throughout the piece, these unnecessarily deep shadows turn up on the horse's forelegs, the giant bat rider's ass, and on the origin of the fire spell being cast.

Which leads me to my last problem, the start of the fire spell is so dark and uniform that it doesn't even look like fire to me. The flames from the wand don't transition into the circular pieces, nor do they do so at the edges of the fire blasts on the sides of the spell very well either.

I think the way to fix the circular bits making the spell look too dark at the origin can be fixed by making a straight blast of flame coming from the wand and keeping the recoiling circular bits isolated at the bottom where the impact seems to be coming from. Something like:


It's complete now though, so I suppose it doesn't matter much.


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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 25 November 2006 at 8:55am
Those are some pretty good points blick. I might be putting in some pro bono work on this piece just to make it look better. If I end up having the time, I'll certainly take into account what you have said.

Thanks for the crits.
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Quote fil_razorback Replybullet Posted: 04 March 2007 at 8:31am
I hope you don't mind I post this for you ?
http://www.arcadetown.com/battlemachyjadebandit/game.asp

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Quote Wakka Replybullet Posted: 04 March 2007 at 9:43am
I smell another Hall Of Famer.
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Quote Doppleganger Replybullet Posted: 07 March 2007 at 7:56am
Thanks Fil!

I forgot all about this topic. I'm actually redoing this title screen in my spare time with more colors and the experience I've gained since I originally made it before I put this up at pixel joint....so it may be ages before it's up.

The game Fil posted is one of a series of I don't even know but there'll be more to come. It's pretty fun, albeit hard if you haven't the patience to figure it out. But when you only have 5 levels and want to keep people entertained for a while, the difficulty curve has to be pretty high.


Yeah, this is the wip of the redeux. Much much better...although I really have
only changed the kirin tail and wizard shading so far. The fire really bothers
me so that'll probably be next.


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Quote Kfuchoin Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2007 at 5:24pm
i think that is way to pixel.. you should A.A more o.o
 
forgettign that i like it o.o great job
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Quote Fhqwhgads Replybullet Posted: 13 March 2007 at 10:34pm
Wow, great job!
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Quote Jonathan Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2007 at 12:46am
Wow, this one is great ;)
I like the detail in the skins of the animals...
 
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Quote Serendor Replybullet Posted: 14 March 2007 at 11:38pm
The wip of the reduxed should be more in motion I think... would look even better :D

Very nice work
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Quote Kfuchoin Replybullet Posted: 15 March 2007 at 3:17pm
oooh now smaller looks way cool o.o...
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Quote Feron Replybullet Posted: 16 March 2007 at 6:00pm
the tail looks too square.

good job.
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