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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Topic: [WIP]Tree Related
    Posted: 14 December 2009 at 11:02am
Hey guys.

Im pretty much a amateur to pixel art and I want to recieve some c&c so I can improve.

So far I can't shade a tree right and I have done a tree pot here they are.













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Quote Agris Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 12:42pm
Im also no pro but when i try to draw tree, iwas drawing leaves ;) it make its more detail';)
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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 12:45pm
The reason im not doing leaves yet is because I can't make it good.

Im making the tree plain then try for leaves and so atm im trying to see if I can shade it well lol.
Like recieve more tips on how to shade it and all.

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Quote MagicKoi Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 2:31pm
Try looking at various references of other trees on this website.
 
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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 2:51pm
I tried to look at that one but on the other forum I go they told me thats not the way a tree schould be like because it's mirrored.

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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 3:04pm

Your first tree has all the light colors at the top left and most of the dark colors at the bottom right.  This is good if you're shading a ball, but tree folliage has darker "holes" all over the place and only the highlights should be at the top left...maybe even a brighter color.  Also, I'd loose that darker outline around the folliage...on the trunk it looks fine.

EDIT:  Here's a quick edit to show what I was explaining.  I added a yellowish highlight color and darkened the upper part of the trunk a touch.  I've seen trees shaded/textured all sorts of ways.  I think it's very style specific. 


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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 7:10pm
Ah I see will try to reshade mine in a diffrent way without using yellow ;)



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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 7:47pm
Did another reshade.


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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 14 December 2009 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by deathsoldi

Did another reshade.




At this size, I think the texture should be more fine.  You're trying to simulate leaves here.  Try to blend little groups of pixels together so it makes it look like you're using more colors than you really are.  Another words...don't group too many of the same color together.  Even 1 pixel can make a big difference at this scale.
I'm no expert by any means, but I have played around with trees this size.  It's looking better though.

Also, it's looking a bit saturated
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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 12:05pm
Is the shading for the tree right?



If it's right will start to add details.

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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 1:06pm
I have try for a leafie version also.




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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 1:29pm
Originally posted by deathsoldi

I have try for a leafie version also.


 
Nice texture.  Definitely an improvement.  It looks a bit mirrored though and it looks like your light source is coming from directly over head, which isn't the most flattering. 
 
Having the light come from slightly one side or the other usually looks the best.
 
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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 1:55pm


What you guys think?





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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 1:59pm
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Very nice indeed.  Just a little more randomness. 
 
Pixeling isn't easy is it? 
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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 2:12pm
Yep its not easy lol.

But you get a very intresting art when you're done with it :).

Can you like do a edit so I can see what you mean with randomness o.o
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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 2:35pm
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Can you like do a edit so I can see what you mean with randomness o.o
 
Maybe I can later.  I'm at work right now. 
 
Basically it still looks a bit mirrored.  Not the colors, but the clusters of pixels near the top of the tree.  Not bad though.  It really does look like leaves, even at this small scale. 
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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 2:53pm
Few changes again.




[Way to dark but still can see the highlight a bit]

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Quote dpixel Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by deathsoldi

Few changes again.




[Way to dark but still can see the highlight a bit]


The first thing I noticed is there was a lot of colors.  I counted 24.  And a lot of them were so close, it was hard to tell them apart. 
Another thing, which you'll hear a lot around here, is not enough contrast.  Pixel art looks better with higher contrast.  Another words, if you kept the lightest color from the 1st tree and from there create a color ramp to the darkest color of the 3rd tree, this would look better in terms of contrast.

Anyway, my edit took this a step further.  I added even a darker color to the foliage to create more contrast.  I also added a lighter color to the trunk for highlights.  Even with the 2 colors I added, I took the total color count down to 12 (including the white background).  I also removed some of the mirroring not only on the foliage, but the trunk too.

Like I said earlier, I'm not the best at this, but I tried to keep somewhat of the leafy style you had.  I spent about a half hour on this edit....I need the practice too. 


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Quote deathsoldi Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2009 at 6:02pm
Well on the other forum they told to progress on this one.

http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/2640175/1024/Picture-Box/L3.png

Since its alot better then the others.
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