Stair Despair
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Category: Pixel Art
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Printed Date: 12 September 2025 at 6:46pm
Topic: Stair Despair
Posted By: AirStyle
Subject: Stair Despair
Date Posted: 19 December 2012 at 9:50am
I need help with the stairs on this piece.
The side section of the stairs, and the foot of them, doesn't line up quite right. Can someone help me out? |
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Posted By: monotov
Date Posted: 19 December 2012 at 10:21am
I solved this problem making two distinct stairs. |
Posted By: AirStyle
Date Posted: 19 December 2012 at 10:35am
| well see, the problem with those stairs is that those aren't authentic Mayan stairs. Mayan are supposed to be steep and narrow |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 19 December 2012 at 2:09pm
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Congratulations! You have stumbled on one of isometric mental loops. There is no clear and precise way to do this because isometric art is a 28% formula and iso in computer/pixelart its 26.566666%...this is the reason architects (iso is an archtectural pratice) no longer make any iso elevations and have gone to other formulas that computers can handle. You solution is to leave it as you have it and use texture, cracks, shadows, w/e to hide and blend. Create a section and copy (edit on left) and use one extra color in your palette for the overlapping lines so it reads iso but isn't. Create you steps from the inside out using the dreadful 122122122 iso lines. This is the closest line to 'true' isometric art but the line most hated by pixel iso peeps.  ...its a conundrum but trying to find the way around this problem should mean when the world ends you'll be busy and not notice :) ------------- |
Posted By: AirStyle
Date Posted: 19 December 2012 at 3:54pm
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Okay,so you say the edit is on the left, but I see some fancy stuff going on on the right...explain to me which stairs I should be using?
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Posted By: AirStyle
Date Posted: 19 December 2012 at 7:45pm
I fixed the stairs a little. How's this?
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Posted By: Hipshot
Date Posted: 20 December 2012 at 12:30am
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I think your stairs looks a bit steep, from pictures I've seen, it seems they stretch out farther from the base in the bottom. http://www.juzaphoto.com/shared_files/uploads/147319pp.jpg |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 20 December 2012 at 6:15am
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I was not suggesting one edit over the other. I was only showing you 2 other options for a solution besides what you already had...which was fine too.
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Posted By: AirStyle
Date Posted: 20 December 2012 at 9:15am
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@Hipshot: I understand they are really steep. That's for an architecturally good reason. See, the Mayans sacrificed constantly: all day, every day, to satisfy their gods. In an effort to make it as efficient as possible, they did not make someone collect the decapitated heads, and, by effect, the headless bodies. Instead, they made their stairs for the sacrificial temple extremely steep, so that when the heart and head was removed from the body, they just drop the head down the stairs, and roll the body right after it. If the stairs were not narrow, then that would not work. Oh, and your picture doesn't work. Try again?
@jalonso: Thanks for clearing that up. I was not aware that they were both different suggestions. That's what was confusing me. In any case. I used the stairs you did on the left, and it worked perfectly. Now, I can still use my isometric perspective, and keep my sanity without using that dreadful line on the right. @_@ Thanks for the help from both of you guys. |
Posted By: SturmgewehrKreuz
Date Posted: 20 December 2012 at 11:10am
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maybe you layout the stairs first? that's what i did with my piece...,.
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Posted By: Hipshot
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 3:19am
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Originally posted by AirStyle @Hipshot: I understand they are really steep. That's for an architecturally good reason. See, the Mayans sacrificed constantly: all day, every day, to satisfy their gods. In an effort to make it as efficient as possible, they did not make someone collect the decapitated heads, and, by effect, the headless bodies. Instead, they made their stairs for the sacrificial temple extremely steep, so that when the heart and head was removed from the body, they just drop the head down the stairs, and roll the body right after it. If the stairs were not narrow, then that would not work. Oh, and your picture doesn't work. Try again? Seems like a really tough job having to kill and throw people all days. I just thought the stairs seemed to steep compared to the rest of the pyramid, too bad that picture didn't work, try this instead. http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/mahavision/mahavision1111/mahavision111100001/11279158-old-mayan-pyramid-temple-of-kukulcan-chichen-itza.jpg |
Posted By: AirStyle
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 3:54am
i get what you mean. Since then, I've changed the stairs and junk. Take a look!
What do you guys think now? |
Posted By: SturmgewehrKreuz
Date Posted: 21 December 2012 at 11:39pm
| @Airstyle: that looks good to me! |
Posted By: Hipshot
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 7:10am
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I think it looks much better too! However, I think it got a bit more asian feeling to it now, like a cross between styles, I think it's because of the overhangs. There seems to be an error on top of the left stair on the left side. Should there really be a red part there? Shouldn't it be a yellow part? |
Posted By: AirStyle
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 9:15am
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Originally posted by Hipshot
I think it looks much better too!However, I think it got a bit more asian feeling to it now, like a cross between styles, I think it's because of the overhangs. I not sure why. I haven't been getting that feel at all (mainly because I'm not sure of the "asian" feeling, but I've been using http://www.flickr.com/photos/renaeandnickjohnson/2469827032/lightbox/ - this picture as a reference. As you can see it hangs overhangs on it, rather ornate as well. I will admit that my colors have not been that precise on the replication of this temple, but I've been trying to stick to a palette that I've previously created so I can test it out. So far, so good, but I think I may have too many oranges in it XD. Originally posted by Hipshot
There seems to be an error on top of the left stair on the left side. Should there really be a red part there? Shouldn't it be a yellow part? SSSSSSSHHHHHHH!!! I won't tell if you won't... XP I'll fix it later. Thanks for pointing that out to me. I actually have another option. The body bar, as I name it, or the "yellow part", as you name it, could be hidden by the rail, like it would be on the other side from the reverse viewing of the temple. Hmmm....now that I think about it, I'm not sure if I want to change it now...Anybody else feel the same way as Hipshot? |
Posted By: AirStyle
Date Posted: 23 December 2012 at 12:41pm
| @Hipshot: Actually, you're right. I'll fix it immediately. |
Posted By: Hipshot
Date Posted: 27 December 2012 at 9:47am
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I thought it looked a bit more asian because of the overhangs, I've never seen that in mayan buildings before. But then again, I don't know much about other cultures and their architecture =) Anyhow, seen this? http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/74854.htm?sec=showcase |
Posted By: AirStyle
Date Posted: 27 December 2012 at 2:29pm
| Yeah, I did, but I didn't copy off of him or anything. I was literally going to do that picture I referenced, along with some other things I didn't complete in time of the challenge, to make it stand out from the others. I ran out of time, however. |