CHALLENGE 12/8/2014: Doom Sprite
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Topic: CHALLENGE 12/8/2014: Doom Sprite
Posted By: administrator
Subject: CHALLENGE 12/8/2014: Doom Sprite
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 12:02am
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Posted By: Drazile
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 1:06am
| Wow, that's an ugly palette :D |
Posted By: Volrak_Rutra
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 5:02am
| are there any sort of guidelines on how the doom enemies look, like a design guide or something? i never played it, so it my understanding of the enemy design are is poor. |
Posted By: Mrmo Tarius
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 5:11am
Cthulhu Doom?
also, maybe I'll finish a challenge for once :) Also @Volrak_Rutra, think demons, gore, biomechanics and cyborgs. AFAIK many doom sprites began as clay figurines that were later digitized and retouched so there's usually a lot of details on them. For example, 
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Posted By: BathMaster_2000
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 5:21am
| This is a perfect challenge for me to do. The reason why I haven't posted much art is because I'm feeling too lazy to make a palette, and, lucky for me, this challenge gives a palette to use. |
Posted By: yrizoud
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 8:41am
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Apart from zombified humans, typical Doom enemies are : - creatures that look like different species of Hell's demons. They use raw physical strength (teeth and claws) or intrinsic quasi-magical powers, like flying, throwing fireballs, being invisible. - demons designed (or transformed) to incorporate human technology and weapons. There are more of those in Doom 2 than Doom 1, though. |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 8:47am
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Search 'Doom monster sprites' on google images. Don't copy/RIP/franken. Use as refs only. ------------- |
Posted By: ptoing
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 11:21am
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Originally posted by Mrmo Tarius AFAIK many doom sprites began as clay figurines that were later digitized and retouched so there's usually a lot of details on them. Adrian Carmack made clay models of a few of them, including the Doom Marine (whose sprite was also used as a base for the humanoid enemies) the Cyberdemon, Demon (pinky) and the Baron of Hell, not sure about the Lost Soul and the Imp (Imp might be also edit of the Doom Marine). The Cacodemon is pretty much a copy of the head of a monster on some AD&D rulebook. All the other monsters are edits of these (Pain elemental being an edit of the Cacodemon, Hellknights just colourswaps of the Barons) or based on posable sculptures by Gregor Punchatz. I personally do not think that pixelart is a good approach to try and make a monster that really fits in with the original Doom lineup. Possible but tedious, especially if you would go for rotations. In any case I would say look at the original sprites very closely, do not use any dither on sprites, generally have very smooth gradientswith a base light that is top down. Hugeass image with all doom monster sprites and some more stuff like player and such that I have compiled quite a while ago for a test when I was helping in a project with refining the palette. Might be helpful for y'alls https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15588722/alldoom2sprites.png - CLICKAGE ! |
Posted By: failureboy
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 11:46am
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Yeah, most of those sprites have a ton of colors on them. I assume this challenge more or less expects us to make better, more pixel-friendly versions that none-the-less fit the monster design. Hence the palette limitation. Also, ptoing that link isn't working... |
Posted By: yrizoud
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 11:48am
| Note that the original was in VGA, ie. 320x200 displayed on a 4:3 screen. This means the pixels are supposed to be slightly tall, this is why they look slightly "squished" in the rips. |
Posted By: ptoing
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 12:10pm
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Fixed link. Also, sprites that are not quite soft shaded tend to look not that great in the Doom engine, because of how the lighting works. |
Posted By: Mega_19
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 12:24pm
| k, those are a lot of colors. |
Posted By: torridgristle
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 2:31pm
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In Doom graphics are displayed 20% taller, might be a useful bit of information for creating a Doom sprite. |
Posted By: Volrak_Rutra
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 7:59pm
damn, this is tough. this is wip of a doom princess bubblegum (since there are so many shades of red and pink to choose from)
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Posted By: raymoohawk
Date Posted: 08 December 2014 at 11:18pm
probably not going to submit it, but this is my unfinished attempt |
Posted By: Mrmo Tarius
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 4:26am
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Originally posted by failureboy
...I assume this challenge more or less expects us to make better, more pixel-friendly versions that none-the-less fit the monster design This is how I understood the challenge myself. "True" doom sprites are not really what we'd consider "real" pixel art nowadays :) Also, I slapped some color on the squiddy guy: 
Also #2, testing testing 
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 5:57am
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Originally posted by failureboy
...I assume this challenge more or less expects us to make better, more pixel-friendly versions that none-the-less fit the monster design. Hence the palette limitation... Exactly. ------------- |
Posted By: Mr.Fahrenheit
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 6:16am
| @mrmo, Looks great man, though it seems like his gun isn't facing directly towards the camera and would miss if he shot at you. |
Posted By: JaumeAlcazo
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 9:53am
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This will help you lads :) http://realm667.com/index.php/en/beastiary-mainmenu-136-69621/doom-style-mainmenu-105-73113        |
Posted By: JaumeAlcazo
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 9:55am
More from the same page             |
Posted By: JaumeAlcazo
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 9:59am
Last ones                  |
Posted By: JaumeAlcazo
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 10:02am
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Mrmo, I think your Cthulhu is WAY too big to be actually useful in-game. Maybe it could be nice if your sprites could be actually used by mappers, if animated... At least you could try to use the right sizes, like the actual monsters that I've posted. They are used in actual fan made maps. Just throwing suggestions, don't take it bad... |
Posted By: Mrmo Tarius
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 10:21am
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Hehe, maybe use it as a boss? :)
Although it doesn't look dangerous enough to be a boss :/ |
Posted By: JaumeAlcazo
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 10:38am
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Yes, maybe a boss could work. Besides the size there's something that is bugging me in your sprite. Maybe it's the palette. I know the palette is fixed but, what do you think of doing him in more greenish tones, like this one? This is cool. Green but lit in blue from the ground. |
Posted By: JaumeAlcazo
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 10:39am
| Specially the pink tones are not working for me. The legs are OK (more dark?) |
Posted By: JaumeAlcazo
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 10:40am
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And what about red eyes or more length tentacles? What do you think? |
Posted By: Mandrill
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 1:55pm
Pink is the most most evilest knievelest colour ever created.  It fits the doom theme perfectly in my opinion. |
Posted By: raymoohawk
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 2:38pm
the chthulu is looking really cool Mrmo!would love to see it ingame  |
Posted By: Volrak_Rutra
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 5:46pm
| is it me, or are the doom sprites heavily pillow-shaded? |
Posted By: Mega_19
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 7:26pm
| they still look cool tho. |
Posted By: Volrak_Rutra
Date Posted: 09 December 2014 at 9:35pm
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yeah, but still... anyhow, here's an update WIP. Might even have time to animate it.  |
Posted By: Jinn
Date Posted: 10 December 2014 at 1:07pm
Worth posting?  |
Posted By: Drazile
Date Posted: 10 December 2014 at 2:20pm
| Well that's freaky. |
Posted By: Volrak_Rutra
Date Posted: 10 December 2014 at 9:00pm
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Yes, Jinn, worth fo sho, that pubic area blood is a nice touch, but be prepared to be misunderstood and judged. here's another update. not too sure about the teeth, also, not sure what to do with feet. suggestions welcome!  |
Posted By: Mazmon
Date Posted: 11 December 2014 at 12:12am
This is how my submission's looking so far. It's a Femancubus with BFG arms. A haven't yet figured out what kind of hair/hair replacement to give her yet, and I also have to give her some kind of mecha-bra, or something. EDIT: I gave her a mohawk. Yays |
Posted By: a3um
Date Posted: 11 December 2014 at 3:13am
more cheerful enemies!
update 
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Posted By: BathMaster_2000
Date Posted: 11 December 2014 at 1:01pm
Here's my attempt.
Any comments? |
Posted By: Jinn
Date Posted: 11 December 2014 at 1:57pm
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Maybe a little too friendly? His mouth could be a little less smiley, like these ones:   
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Posted By: eigenbom
Date Posted: 11 December 2014 at 6:15pm
Here's my Cacodemon/Baron hybrid. Had a lot of fun making this grotesque pig thing.
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Posted By: Volrak_Rutra
Date Posted: 11 December 2014 at 7:11pm
| it's too big for the challenge, unless you sized it up before uploading, which is not necessary BTW, as when you click on an image in forum it zooms in. |
Posted By: Meapers
Date Posted: 11 December 2014 at 7:46pm
Starting off with this... thing.
I got the idea by playing Binding Ff Isaac rebirth when I came across the item, Infamy 
update: added a body and shunk the head some. I crudely added in that body. Its 2 a.m. perhaps I should get some rest  .
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Posted By: Cannonbreed
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 12:04am
I'm trying to give the impression that his flamethrower is powered by his own fluids.
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Posted By: skamocore
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 12:35am
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Originally posted by Cannonbreed I'm trying to give the impression that his flamethrower is powered by his own fluids. Nice idea, but the max canvas is 128 x 128. ------------- |
Posted By: BathMaster_2000
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 5:32am
Attempt 2:
The eye and mouth have been changed, and contrast with the skin has been turned up. Any problems I should correct? |
Posted By: Rikpant
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 6:42am
Hello Guys, one of my first try on pixel art, Work in progress!!
Any Suggestions?!?! |
Posted By: BathMaster_2000
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 6:47am
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I would suggest choosing some different colors for this piece; it is hardly readable at all. Try to have a higher contrast between the light and the dark colors.
Have a read about color from these sites. http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11299 - Link 1 http://opengameart.org/content/chapter-5-color-palettes - Link 2 |
Posted By: BathMaster_2000
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 6:57am
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Attempt 3:
Got rid of that messy dithering. 
Also, here's a scaled down version. 
And finally, here with other enemies in a mock-up screenshot. 
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Posted By: DrTripwire
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 8:23am
| I would work on the teeth a little bit. :3 |
Posted By: Splurge
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 9:09am
Hey everyone. 1st post. Heres my meager response to the weekly challenge - a creature in the works tentatively named Viper (or was it Slither). I found out about your treasure-brimmed vault through Doomworld, where I post under the nick Soundblock. Absolutely fantastic site. edit(s): - cleaned up a frame. re-linked. - newer version further down (final submission). |
Posted By: BathMaster_2000
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 9:19am
| You could boost the contrast on the piece to make it more readable... it took me a while to see the mouth. |
Posted By: Limes
Date Posted: 12 December 2014 at 9:53am
| just add another highlight. Great first post, head is my only problem with the pic. |
Posted By: knunery
Date Posted: 13 December 2014 at 7:47am
Should I submit this to the challenge? What should I improve on?
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 13 December 2014 at 8:55am
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Originally posted by knunery
Should I submit this to the challenge? If you are happy with it, yes. Originally posted by knunery
What should I improve on? The claw highlights are a bit rough. ------------- |
Posted By: Splurge
Date Posted: 14 December 2014 at 7:56am
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Originally posted by BathMaster_2000 You could boost the contrast on the piece to make it more readable... it took me a while to see the mouth. Fair point I guess. I changed the face a little to give a stronger suggestion of fangs. However, my main excuse for largely leaving the contrast as is: Doom palette's reds are notorius for dipping quickly into brown if made too dark, via the game's colormap (or sprite/texture lighting map). If I included the darkest reds (which aren't very dark) to add contrast, he would quickly become brown when present in anything but the brightest lit areas. I suppose he's trying harder to be a dynamic in-game monster than a bells & whistles concept. Final submission:  Final, final submission! Reworked the scales on his lower half's back, to help the horizontal animation direction:  |
Posted By: BathMaster_2000
Date Posted: 14 December 2014 at 6:25pm
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Originally posted by Splurge
However, my main excuse for largely leaving the contrast as is: Doom palette's reds are notorius for dipping quickly into brown if made too dark, via the game's colormap (or sprite/texture lighting map). If I included the darkest reds (which aren't very dark) to add contrast, he would quickly become brown when present in anything but the brightest lit areas. I suppose he's trying harder to be a dynamic in-game monster than a bells & whistles concept. I see the problem you have.  I like what you did do with the face, though, with the mandible-looking things (which I presume you describe as "fangs"). You don't have to change anything about it, it looks good as it is right now (in my opinion).
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Posted By: dwere
Date Posted: 15 December 2014 at 3:06am
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Originally posted by skamocore
Nice idea, but the max canvas is 128 x 128. I don't know how did I miss that. Is it accepted to edit the submission during the voting period? |
Posted By: Splurge
Date Posted: 15 December 2014 at 3:28pm
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Originally posted by BathMaster_2000 Originally posted by Splurge
However, my main excuse for largely leaving the contrast as is: Doom palette's reds are notorius for dipping quickly into brown if made too dark, via the game's colormap (or sprite/texture lighting map). If I included the darkest reds (which aren't very dark) to add contrast, he would quickly become brown when present in anything but the brightest lit areas. I suppose he's trying harder to be a dynamic in-game monster than a bells & whistles concept. I see the problem you have. I like what you did do with the face, though, with the mandible-looking things (which I presume you describe as "fangs"). You don't have to change anything about it, it looks good as it is right now (in my opinion).
No matter. I think he'll let his flamethrower do most of the talking. |