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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/26/2017 17:09

I wonder how that got past the queue... 


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Paddy (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/26/2017 14:29

it was upscaled incorrectly.


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Fusionnist (Level 10 Operative) @ 8/26/2017 13:45

Is this weird to you guys as well?


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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/26/2017 08:39

Honestly, any of those.


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eishiya (Level 5 Detective) @ 8/26/2017 06:40

What do you mean by "which"? Do you mean which of the PJ-specific ones? Which types of collabs? Which themes?


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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/26/2017 05:34

To the guys who have done collabs, I was wondering which collabs were the most fun to work on?


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eishiya (Level 5 Detective) @ 8/25/2017 21:05

The pieces on the front page are also in a different order. PJ's code is nonsense :D

(I checked your thumbnail to see if maybe it was just over the 10kb limit, but nope, it's fine.)


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Gizmonicgamer (Level 4 Deputy) @ 8/25/2017 18:48

i'm curious: when i click "newest pixel art", my piece "descending into light" is the first one there, but it doesn't show up on the home page?


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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/25/2017 16:22

I decided to start SS2 again... and then I started reasigning controlls... Man it has aged poorly. Heres to the next one being great and not a flop.


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Taertage (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 12:29

SS3 is in development by OtherSide Entertainment. For some reason people only seem to talk about the upcoming remake.


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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/25/2017 12:22

Wait what what system shock 3?????


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Taertage (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 11:57

Current politcal climate (US and EU), current mainstream media, and the current state of freedom of speech.

Newretrowave, upcoming System Shock 3, and fall is around the corner...

Just focus on the positives, haha.


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 10:20

You cheeky bastard. XD

Seriously though... PJ's current atmosphere... 


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eishiya (Level 5 Detective) @ 8/25/2017 10:07

@Asmodeusss: Pixelling closely to your ref isn't "bad", but just like with any other artwork closely following a ref, make sure you're up front about it being a copy, and try to follow the photo's licence.

Many people don't find copies as interesting as original work, but other than that, it's not "bad". It's only really an issue if you mislead people about how much of the work comes from you (even if unintentionally), or use a photo that the artist would prefer you didn't use.


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king_bobston (Level 10 Capo) @ 8/25/2017 09:56

"RAV was a good friend of mine"

was? afaik he only got banned and not killed.

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yet.


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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/25/2017 09:20

Technically, ignoring a different viewpoint is more akin to what a dictatorship would do. And think about it, someone put hard work in to make a website and maintain it. They have the rights to say what goes and doesnt go. Just like a person in a business has the right to what they produce. Or how a tennant can dictate what happens in their flats. It would be very dystopian if nothing you made or did belonged to you or was immediately out of your grasp. 

And now about actual pixel art. Is pixeling based closely off of a photo considered bad?


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 09:07

Ok what?! Am I hearing brainwashing propaganda from some sort of third world dictatorship? "We should be thankful they don't just gun us down in the streets whenever they feel like"? Is that the gist of what I'm hearing?

I'm sorry did I not mention that RAV was a good friend of mine and a friend to several of us veteren community members? Yeah I'm pretty sure I did. So do forgive me if I'm a little pissy right now if I find out he's been banned and for seemingly no reason at all.

(There's a very clear and distinct difference between PJ's gallery and PJ's community.)

Mods are accountable for their actions, at least they used to be. If you were here from the early days you'd hear the one thing they always stressed above all else: "we're no more different or special than the rest of you, we're just like everyone else."

This place changed. And not for the better.


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 8/25/2017 08:58

Yes, it happened months ago, but greenraven wasn't here at the time to see it for himself.


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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/25/2017 08:53

Agree


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Paddy (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 08:52

I'm sure a proper explanation was given to fellow moderators, and clearly there wasn't an issue with said explanation as nothing was done in reaction to him being banned. Moderators don't need to give any sort of explanation to the users of the site as to why a certain person was banned nor shoud they be expected to. 

Not sure why this issue is even being discussed as it happened months ago, this somehow turned from a comment about Trump into comments about how the chatterbox should be run into comments questioning a moderators judgement. 

It's probably best to stop it at this point.


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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/25/2017 08:22

This is not a court of law, Greenraven, this is a privately run website which we are thankful of that it even exists and gets updated from time to time. Theres no rules. A mod is a mod and a mod does whatever he wants, technically. If you feel that is wrong, you are free to make your own website(its easier than ever now.) Theres no abuse of power because you agreed to everything happening here the moment you signed on. Everyone did.

And mental illness, while an understandable impediment to a persons interactions online, is not an excuse and is a burden to others around them. A person should be able to learn enough self discipline to simply obey the common courtesy of a websites rules, mental illness or not. If this is not working out, then the website is free to kick a person out. It works the same in real life. I say this knowing nothing of the person in question, though, so Im not making a statement on RAV or anything. Im just saying that I dont like the whole mental illness as a focus point. As someone who went through that struggle myself and got through it, discipline helps. If people keep accepting you for your flaws without expecting you to do better, they are not helping your progress, they are hindering you. 

And besides, if anything, bans can be reverted here, as far as I know. 


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 08:04

Maybe, maybe not. But "due process" requires a proper explanation on why someone was banned when they were abiding by the warning they were given. This smells of power abuse to me until proven otherwise.


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Paddy (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 07:54

I meant last statement in regards to the fame bs


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 07:49

It doesn't. But RAV almost always apologizes once the dust settles for whatever the werewolf broke. jal & I have an entire compendium archive of everything he's ever been sorry about.

That last statement makes perfect sense if you've ever been an admin or a mod.


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Paddy (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 07:41

Fairly sure having a mental illness doesn't just give you a get out of jail card for your actions when it comes to online stuff. Also that last statement is absolute nonsense lol

I'm sure if it was injust another mod would've undone it, so I don't think you can just spout nonsense about a person when 1) you haven't a clue about the situation and 2) you don't even know if said person is in any wrong.


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 07:34

Mods approve the posts. Voting is irrelevent. It's only every used for "iffy" pieces where the mods are thinking of sending it back.

You know I'm mildly pissed about this RAV situation. Any mod worth his salt works with the community not just lords over it. Everyone knows he's bipolar and to just let him be when he's having one of his episodes. Yeah I'm sure he said some terrible mean things, nothing new, that's just Mr Hyde talking. You should have given him time to cool off.

Clearly whoever banned him is only here for the fame and glory of pixels not to be a community ambassador. Because someone obviously doesn't know the intricate unspoken rules.


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AKA_Mathieu (Level 2 Peon) @ 8/25/2017 07:33

So the queue problem seems to be unsolvable :')

(TY for the explanation)


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eishiya (Level 5 Detective) @ 8/25/2017 05:00

@AKA_Mathieu: More or less what Curth said.

The mods usually let pieces sit for a bit to accumulate votes before they make a decision. They'll accept the ones that are mostly/all "Yes" (accept) votes, take a closer look at pieces with a lot of no votes. They seem to let pieces with a mix of yes and no sit longer to see if there's a consensus.

There are two complications on the approval process:

The first is that the mods try to pace approvals so that every piece gets its time on the front page, and so that when a user spams a bunch of submissions, they're not all approved at once.

The second complication is that PixelJoint is a very shoddily-made site. The mods apparently don't actually have approval access to the really old submissions until the more recent ones are cleared out. Because they try to pace submissions but don't also have access to older ones, it means whenever there's a flood of pieces from a small number of users or a lot of pieces without a user voting consensus, the queue gets stuck.

I'm not sure why they don't take the initiative and bypass the "waiting for votes" stage when the queue gets long. I suspect it might be because of the lofty idea that the rules are meant to be a reflection of the users' voting trends, but I think to people stuck on the queue, getting a response is more important than minor rules tweaks xP
 


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neota (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 8/25/2017 04:32

I believe at the time RAV had just been chain-posting long rambling abstracted comments.. on the topic of the time which was something like the usual "what is pixel art/ what is pixel art's role?"

I certainly don't have any insight into the reason for the mod action, but hopefully that adds a little context.


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Paddy (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/25/2017 04:32

RAV was banned afaik because he turned a discussion about something into blatant attacks on multiple members. He was arguing about a topic and then throwing in insults about individual members throughout his arguments. 


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Curth (Level 4 Lieutenant) @ 8/25/2017 00:48

To new here to know all the juicy RAV stories, awe.

I think how public queue works, if a piece is approved by a moderator, it gets the go ahead and makes it in. People with accounts can also vote on pieces in the public queue to give feedback on whether somthing should or should not go in the gallery, I think that is it? To my understanding.


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AKA_Mathieu (Level 2 Peon) @ 8/25/2017 00:33

Talking about administration, how does the Public Queue work?

8 pages of submissions, some sent 3 months ago.
Have we a documentation of that process?


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/24/2017 22:50

Good reasons usually have good explanations. jal would never let shit like this get pulled on his watch. Whoever this mod is they're obviously new and inexperienced.

I've got half a mind to pull rank and go direclty to sedge on this. RAV was a staple of the community, quirks and all.


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 8/24/2017 22:15

They said they had a good reason, but didn't say what it was.


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/24/2017 22:08

Are you fucking kidding me?! They banned him for no reason then?!

I demand to know who this mod is. That's blatant power abuse.


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 8/24/2017 19:20

It happened several months ago. There was a big argument that RAV was in the middle of, and then a mod came in and said if any of you start this argument up again I will ban you. And then RAV didn't restart it, but they decided it would be best to ban him anyway.


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/24/2017 18:46

What?! When did that happen?! Someone better have a pretty damn good reason for banning him.

In other news...!


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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 8/24/2017 15:08

The mods banned RAV because he never did pixel art, and all he did was make inflamatory chatterbox comments.

Sound familiar?


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Asmodeusss (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/24/2017 14:54

Hi guys. Long time no talk. Hows it going?


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AKA_Mathieu (Level 2 Peon) @ 8/24/2017 13:12

I guess I'm missing the real meaning


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/24/2017 12:50

If you have to ask you probably won't like the answer... XD


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king_bobston (Level 10 Capo) @ 8/24/2017 12:17

pfft.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​


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AKA_Mathieu (Level 2 Peon) @ 8/24/2017 11:25

@Skittle

what does that really mean? xB


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 8/24/2017 09:35

Fling poo, taking shit. This is some good chat. Ive heard skittle is aka toilet clogger.

what about some pixel art shit challenge?

btw, I still miss the quotes, are they really gone? :(


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greenraven (Level 1 Gangster) @ 8/24/2017 08:25

Yeah except <person I've never met> is negatively effecting <people I have>. I happen to know several transgender people, two of which who serve proudly in the military. Do you want me to continue this train of thought? Yeah I'm taking the Trump bashing personally because it hits home for me.

The man is an ignorant hateful bigot and as a citizen of Chicago I am damn proud we railroaded his hate-mongering out of town during the campaign. He called our mayor a "fucking cripple" among other things. He's an embarassment to humanity.

Phil 2 for 2 buddy.

Now then, I am really disappointed no one is trying to figure out ye olde commands. What's wrong with you people? Do you not want to fling poo?


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skittle (Level 9 Nidan) @ 8/24/2017 08:15

You ever take a shit and think that's how big of a dick you could take


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neota (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 8/24/2017 07:41

Eh.. I used to agree with that sentiment. I don't mind ignoring a low-content post if it doesn't actively worsen the quality of the discourse;even a whiny negative one. But I do think '<person I've never met> is a <insult of choice>' does worsen the quality of discourse.


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 8/23/2017 18:47

If it's not interesting, just don't answer! :B


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Curth (Level 4 Lieutenant) @ 8/23/2017 15:47

"Old man yells at Cloud" or maybe a whole bunch of "back in my day!" going on right now heh. I imagine it is just the nature of communities to constantly re-tread old ground in their conversations as new members sift through. Seems to really be bothering some of the folks .


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Goodlyay (Level 6 SWAT) @ 8/23/2017 14:25

Greenraven, now you're just putting words in my mouth. You're assuming, because I said that we should be able to talk about pixel art on PIXEL joint, that I think the chat should ONLY be about pixel art. That's not the case at all. I don't mind fun and hijinx either, but the trump thing is overdone and not funny anymore. That is all.




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