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darchangel
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![]() Topic: Hands of Nature - WIPPosted: 11 September 2009 at 10:38pm |
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Inspired by the paintings of Josh Keyes -
***Most recent update***
![]() ![]() I consider the first waterfall pretty much done along with the birds and a couple of animals. Not sure if the rocks are readable enough and how to improve the grass...any suggestions? Edited by darchangel - 17 September 2009 at 2:16am |
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Jocher
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Joined: 24 August 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 26 |
![]() Posted: 12 September 2009 at 1:18am |
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Wow, awesome idea. keep it up, i really think it will be an epic piece.
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Splocket
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![]() Posted: 12 September 2009 at 8:21am |
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I really love this so far, awesome concept
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ekobor
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![]() Posted: 12 September 2009 at 7:56pm |
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This will be an instant favourite the second it is done. You sir, are doing amazingly.
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jalonso
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![]() Posted: 12 September 2009 at 8:16pm |
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Lovely! Just make sure to stay clean as this can easily become a pixel pudding.
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darchangel
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![]() Posted: 13 September 2009 at 10:13am |
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Thanks everyone for your comments, a small update:
***EDIT***picture removed, updated on the first post. I'm hoping you guys can keep me in line so this doesn't turn into a disaster Edited by darchangel - 16 September 2009 at 8:38pm |
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crow
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Joined: 30 August 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 26 |
![]() Posted: 13 September 2009 at 2:06pm |
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if the animals on the left (right if u were the hands) were a little more spread appart it would look better
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Dhr. Bosch
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Joined: 01 February 2016 Location: Netherlands Online Status: Offline Posts: 215 |
![]() Posted: 13 September 2009 at 2:30pm |
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the rocks on the index finger seem a little fuzzy
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Vanitas, vanitatum omnia vanitas
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darchangel
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![]() Posted: 14 September 2009 at 2:50am |
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Crow - Would it help if I took one of them off, the 3 closer together are a pair of cubs following their mom. Dhr Bosch - Do all the rocks on that finger look fuzzy or is it just the 3 that seem to blend into one another.
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Dhr. Bosch
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![]() Posted: 14 September 2009 at 10:47am |
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upon closer inspection it indeed seems to be from those three but becausse of them the effect seems to spread... especially to the one on the lower left of that cluster... i also think the abundance of higlights on those rocks detracts from the plasticity of the hand and the rocks.
also, the bear should be larger in comparison to it's cubs the cubs should be more fuzzy and circular, with larger heads wider paws... i gotta say though, i already love this piece. |
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Manupix
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![]() Posted: 14 September 2009 at 12:16pm |
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Wow, this is going to be awesome!
Maybe have a more still body of water in the hands? You could have a smaller waterfall between the right side thumb and forefinger. Animals and trees: too similar in sizes and colors, too regularly spaced, and maybe too many animals. Left thumb: there is not enough difference of textures between the nail and skin, or maybe it's just that the tip beneath the nail is nail-shaped and nail-sized. Looks weird anyway. Careful with that dithering! |
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darchangel
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![]() Posted: 16 September 2009 at 8:57pm |
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- Picture updated on first post -
Adding a body of water was something that didn't cross my mind, thanks Manupix. I had been thinking how I was going to handle such large cliffs, that took care of them, but now I got to figure out how I'm going to handle reflections. I took away some of the dithering from the fingers and thumb also changed some of the rocks, I think the "fuzzys" are gone. Removed one of the cubs and moved animals around a bit...I think bears are done. Take a close look at the detailed trees, do they look funny, weird? |
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jalonso
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![]() Posted: 16 September 2009 at 10:17pm |
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Me thinks you blues are too blue. With that much desaturated greens and browns surrounding the water I'd think the water's blue should reflect that.
*Too hard to detail with the animation being too fast please post update on its own :) |
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darchangel
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![]() Posted: 17 September 2009 at 2:19am |
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*Too hard to detail with the animation being too fast please post update on its own :) Done...will work on matching my blues. Edited by darchangel - 17 September 2009 at 2:28am |
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crow
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![]() Posted: 18 September 2009 at 5:53am |
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sorry for not replying right away but yes that would help
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darchangel
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![]() Posted: 22 September 2009 at 7:02pm |
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Another update - Changed the waterfall colors and added detail to the cliff.
Is the forest too dense? Can you tell what it is? |
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jalonso
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![]() Posted: 22 September 2009 at 9:40pm |
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The new blues are much better, tho the lightest may be too bright still. The waterfall is far back in the piece.
The forest looks too full and demands far too much attention. Maybe, you could begin to fade at the wrist to soften that whole back area and up the arms. This would soften the piece and enhance the feeling that the hands are really near the viewer, enveloping him/her. This could be a cloudy area or foggy area or even water mist from the waterfall...or combo of these. This softening will also help in the water dripping though the fingers. This may be something you have been contemplating since you have one faded tree on the left wrist. One thing that I'm finding especially poor looking is the fingernails changing color so drastically. Is this needed? It can be the same colors as the rocks with some minimal moss perhaps. This way they appear to be fingernail polish and this is an artificial thing and does not suit the piece which is all natural, no? E: The rock in the waterfall is a seemingly good idea but here its not reading well and frankly looks wrong. I would remove that. ps: E: - Having just reread what I wrote checking for typos it all reads negative, I am hoping to be helpful and not attacking your work at all. ![]() Edited by jalonso - 22 September 2009 at 9:47pm |
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Manupix
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![]() Posted: 23 September 2009 at 12:10am |
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This is taking shape!
I totally agree with Jal, and add this: the moss on the cliff doesn't work well, it looks like things growing up. That's a question of light: things hanging down would cast shadows. But more important, I think they're a distraction, the contrast between grass and cliff is much better without them. The animals are quite good now, except they still all share the same hues. There's no reason 3 different species would be so similar! The horned thing (ibex?) at lower right in particular, might have a lighter shade. |
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darchangel
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![]() Posted: 23 September 2009 at 2:09pm |
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No worries Jal, I don't read it as an attack but as criticism that will help me achieve the ultimate goal. I do appreciate you guys taking the time to comment.
I had been debating how I was going to present the forest and had 3 different views, but they all seem wrong...as you'll see in the following image: ![]() Frames 1-3 is what I had in my head. Is frame 4 more like what you are thinking? Not necessarily ending it in a dither but more like fading into a lighter shade? Manupix - Yes for the goats, something like that. I originally blocked in all the animals using the same base colors so I just kept adding finishing touches the same way...I did think that it would be necessary to change the color on the goats, especially now that the cliff got darker. I have been Googling different images of waterfalls and the ones that caught my eye more were some that had very mossy cliff sides, but it didn't translate too well in pixels. I will work on those before I call this final. Speaking of waterfalls, most of the images I saw had grays in their water, but when I tried some of those shades it looked kinda dark, muddy even. Jal would you mind giving me a little more advise on those lighter blues? Should I go grayer? |
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Hapiel
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![]() Posted: 23 September 2009 at 2:13pm |
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Go with 3. Definitely!
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jalonso
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![]() Posted: 23 September 2009 at 3:37pm |
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The #3 direction, fo sho!
Try desaturating colors as you step back, rather than lightening the shade. You can have the farthest back color be a desaturated lavender/purple colors that works for the water to begin with. Then hue shift the colors til it blends into the green of the front trees. Think, blues, purple and not just a green ramp. This also applies to the water, desaturate so it wont muddy up. Matter of fact develop these two ramps (the water and the fades) as one piece so you don't add too many colors. |
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Manupix
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![]() Posted: 23 September 2009 at 3:54pm |
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Forest: guess what? #3!
But, maybe don't have it climb too high, it looks like a weird furry arm at the moment. You could spread it a little between the arms, the water could come out from between trees. And having something fade away in that space would strengthen the rocky, solid feel I think. Water: the waterfall hues are good now, but the still water should have a much stronger reflection, given the angle of view. At least below the waterfall. You might have a hard time below the cliffs. I think water there would be very dark: not much reflection, almost no light coming from below. Some little waves might catch a little reflection. |
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darchangel
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![]() Posted: 23 September 2009 at 4:32pm |
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I thank you all once again, appreciate your input. The one thing that I always find intimidating is coming up with a good palette, will work on your suggestions.
The lake still needs a lot of work, right now it's pretty much just a block of color to fill the space. These are 2 of the images that I'm using as reference: ![]() ![]() So there will definitely be more reflections and highlights. I should have another update by Friday. |
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Shrub
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![]() Posted: 28 September 2009 at 3:20pm |
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I think... I - I think I'm in love...
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darchangel
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![]() Posted: 10 October 2009 at 11:12am |
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WOW!!! Next Friday turned into 3 Fridays later...time flies and all I was able to put into the project were a few hours of work. Anyways here is the next update:
Optimized a lot of colors, now it's 36. Detailed the lake and added a different forest. Still trying to figure out the colors for the goats. ***Pictures on first post*** |
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crow
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![]() Posted: 11 October 2009 at 11:28am |
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oh this is looking amazing XD.
add some light to medium greys to the goats and it should look good.
im really liking this pease
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jalonso
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![]() Posted: 11 October 2009 at 11:38am |
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Water looks great.
Consider coloring the goats with the lightest greys and a splash of the yellow. ![]() Edited by jalonso - 11 October 2009 at 11:37am |
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Yinyamina
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![]() Posted: 12 October 2009 at 11:59am |
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Wow! I have nothing bad to say about this and it's not even done yet. This is truly amazing. This is something that a beginner like me can be inspired by. Hopefully I will be able to do this someday.
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Manupix
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![]() Posted: 12 October 2009 at 3:39pm |
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Sorry, but for me this forest doesn't work at all, in terms of composition. It's a huge dark mass that ruins all the balance.
I'd suggest this: scrap the 2 densest greens, keep the lighter green purple and grey; keep a cleft down to the top of the waterfall (most important!), and add 2 or 3 isolated trees, as you have them in the wip (frame 6). The water looks great, the cliffs look good on the left, so-so on the right. Great progress overall anyway! |
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Micro
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![]() Posted: 12 October 2009 at 3:40pm |
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Very nice.. I wish I could do that.
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