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Topic: Delicious Dish WIP
Posted: 15 April 2009 at 10:57am

First shot - Cheesy Demon head on toast

RECIPE:

1 medium sized demon head, removed from neck.

1 lb. aged cheddar cheese, shredded

1 tsp. butter

1/4 cup whole milk

1 piece white bread

Toast the bread and butter liberally.

In a saucepan, mix shredded cheese and milk and melt over medium-low heat until consistent.

In a pre-greased 8x9 cake pan, roast the demon head for one hour at 450' F. Check for doneness with a toothpick.

Place demon head on toast and cover with cheese sauce.

Serve hot and enjoy!

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vampireslug
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Posted: 16 April 2009 at 4:16am

Updated to look like one of the old recipe cards my mom used to collect:

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Posted: 16 April 2009 at 8:52am

shade everything and make it look neat.

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Posted: 16 April 2009 at 1:49pm

the head kinda looks like it's balancing on the teeth, it should probably be angled towards the back a little more. i really like the card format though

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Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:16pm

Please stop using dithering, and start thinking about the actual shape of things, so you know how light would be reflected. Oh, and THINK ABOUT YOUR COLORS!

Here is a quick edit where I drew over with bigger brushes.

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Posted: 16 April 2009 at 5:22pm

"I" before "E" :þ (peice of bread)

You're only using 3 shades on the main part of the demon's head, the eyes would be shrunk further into the skull as it's presumably dead so there wouldn't be as many shadows under the eyes as from the horns we can tell the light's coming fromabove.

EDIT: This is what I meant, cba finishing. The teeth could also do with some definition from the cheese.

Edited by Jeremy - 16 April 2009 at 6:02pm

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Posted: 17 April 2009 at 3:54am

Wow, those are some amazing edits... makes me cringe when I look at my original. Here's what I've done -

Okay, I've ditched almost all of the the dithering - not because dithering is bad it's just that next to Jeremys edit my dithering just wasn't in the same league and I'm not proficient enough to fix it at this point.

I've fixed the spelling (how embarassing).

I've also added a neck... who removes the neck and jaw when cooking? It looked stupid IMO.

I've also added two more shades to the main head and removed the eyes as they were distracting. The nose area is left flat as I'd originally intended it to be just two breathing holes like on a skull and not an actual nose.

Thanks for the suggestions and for taking the time to make edits, it's really appreciated. I only hope that my re-edit shows that I'm listening and trying to improve.

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Posted: 17 April 2009 at 4:33am

Lol! I overdither horribly xD, bad habit which you should try to avoid :D

That demon atm looks like it'd get bullied by all the other demons for being bright cyan in colour, could use a little desaturisation and hue shiftage. If you work on the teeth a bit more to make them pearlescent (Which they semi-do atm) it'd look otherworldlyly cool :D

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Posted: 17 April 2009 at 4:59am

Originally posted by Jeremy

Lol! I overdither horribly xD, bad habit which you should try to avoid :D

Well, the dithering on your pieces seems to work, I'm envious.

I was going to do a typical red-ish demon but found a saved pallete I'd done and not wanting to be sterotypical and being lazy got together and voila, cyan demon. Hue shifting is, like dithering and AA, something at which I've not yet gotten decent. I've read the tutorials but, like everything, it takes doing it to really figure out what you're doing. I'll play with the teeth and see what I can do. Thanks for all the help! :)

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Posted: 17 April 2009 at 6:36am

Basically, some colours look lighter than others (even when of the same saturation & value), i.e. blue and yellow, so if you want your demon to look cyan (Saturated, bright teal) you'd go further towards puple for shadows and further towards yellow for highlights. Your colours are still quite saturated and there are a sh*tload of them (single pixels, be sure to clean them up)

The first pic is a straight colour swap, the second me going crazy xD

(By the way, I reckon my pixeling ability has improved immensely through editing others' stuff- thanks!)

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Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:53am

Well, for better or worse I ditched the entire color scheme of the head and went with my first instinct choice of red-ish. To be honest, I'm not all that happy with it but I'm out of time so I'm posting it and chalking this up to a lesson learned in hue shifting (whether or not I was successful).

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Posted: 17 April 2009 at 1:57pm

i dont really like the dithering or the color on the horns. try doing it in the same style as the teeth

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Posted: 17 April 2009 at 2:25pm

anyone?

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/344/2/3/6_views_skull_by_tobiee.jpg

Even though it's a "demon skull", i'd think the same proportions etc would apply.

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Posted: 18 April 2009 at 1:52am

Your colors are all way to saturated on the last one. Use lower saturation for darker colors! Also, again, stop the dithering!
Youll do much better without for the next 2 years!

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Posted: 20 April 2009 at 3:19am

I agree, the colors are all weird - I'm still working on building decent palettes so hopefully I'll get the hang of it soon.

Is it dithering in general that you hate or just my dithering? I had it without, originally, but the transitions between colors was too jarring and I didn't want to just start throwing more colors in there as I was already at 27 and it seemed to be getting out of control.

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Posted: 20 April 2009 at 3:23am

Originally posted by Quake

anyone?

http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/344/2/3/6_views_skull_by_tobiee.jpg

Even though it's a "demon skull", i'd think the same proportions etc would apply.

It was a conscious choice to have a non-proportionate skull for this piece, I wanted it to be skull-ish but not human in any way. I could have gone with an anatomically correct skull but it wouldn't have been as "demon" or as cartoonish as I was trying to get. Thanks for the link though, really nice sketches - reminds me of my skeletal analysis textbook from college (I was in charge of skeletal identification at the museum at university senior year).

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vampireslug Commander Joined: 16 February 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 187	Topic: Delicious Dish WIP Posted: 15 April 2009 at 10:57am
	First shot - Cheesy Demon head on toast RECIPE: 1 medium sized demon head, removed from neck. 1 lb. aged cheddar cheese, shredded 1 tsp. butter 1/4 cup whole milk 1 piece white bread Toast the bread and butter liberally. In a saucepan, mix shredded cheese and milk and melt over medium-low heat until consistent. In a pre-greased 8x9 cake pan, roast the demon head for one hour at 450' F. Check for doneness with a toothpick. Place demon head on toast and cover with cheese sauce. Serve hot and enjoy!
	"The Earth starts to rumble, world powers fall. A 'warring for the heavens, a peaceful man stands tall...." - Mustaine. ©1992 Screen Gems/EMI
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vampireslug Commander Joined: 16 February 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 187	Posted: 16 April 2009 at 4:16am
	Updated to look like one of the old recipe cards my mom used to collect:
	"The Earth starts to rumble, world powers fall. A 'warring for the heavens, a peaceful man stands tall...." - Mustaine. ©1992 Screen Gems/EMI
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rehugun Seaman Joined: 22 January 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 16	Posted: 16 April 2009 at 8:52am
	shade everything and make it look neat.
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Dhr. Bosch Commander Joined: 01 February 2016 Location: Netherlands Online Status: Offline Posts: 215	Posted: 16 April 2009 at 1:49pm
	the head kinda looks like it's balancing on the teeth, it should probably be angled towards the back a little more. i really like the card format though
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Hapiel Rear Admiral Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266	Posted: 16 April 2009 at 2:16pm
	Please stop using dithering, and start thinking about the actual shape of things, so you know how light would be reflected. Oh, and THINK ABOUT YOUR COLORS! Here is a quick edit where I drew over with bigger brushes.
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jeremy Rear Admiral Joined: 25 November 2024 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 1704	Posted: 16 April 2009 at 5:22pm
	"I" before "E" :þ (peice of bread) You're only using 3 shades on the main part of the demon's head, the eyes would be shrunk further into the skull as it's presumably dead so there wouldn't be as many shadows under the eyes as from the horns we can tell the light's coming fromabove. EDIT: This is what I meant, cba finishing. The teeth could also do with some definition from the cheese. Edited by Jeremy - 16 April 2009 at 6:02pm
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vampireslug Commander Joined: 16 February 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 187	Posted: 17 April 2009 at 3:54am
	Wow, those are some amazing edits... makes me cringe when I look at my original. Here's what I've done - Okay, I've ditched almost all of the the dithering - not because dithering is bad it's just that next to Jeremys edit my dithering just wasn't in the same league and I'm not proficient enough to fix it at this point. I've fixed the spelling (how embarassing). I've also added a neck... who removes the neck and jaw when cooking? It looked stupid IMO. I've also added two more shades to the main head and removed the eyes as they were distracting. The nose area is left flat as I'd originally intended it to be just two breathing holes like on a skull and not an actual nose. Thanks for the suggestions and for taking the time to make edits, it's really appreciated. I only hope that my re-edit shows that I'm listening and trying to improve.
	"The Earth starts to rumble, world powers fall. A 'warring for the heavens, a peaceful man stands tall...." - Mustaine. ©1992 Screen Gems/EMI
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jeremy Rear Admiral Joined: 25 November 2024 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 1704	Posted: 17 April 2009 at 4:33am
	Lol! I overdither horribly xD, bad habit which you should try to avoid :D That demon atm looks like it'd get bullied by all the other demons for being bright cyan in colour, could use a little desaturisation and hue shiftage. If you work on the teeth a bit more to make them pearlescent (Which they semi-do atm) it'd look otherworldlyly cool :D
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vampireslug Commander Joined: 16 February 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 187	Posted: 17 April 2009 at 4:59am
	*Originally posted by Jeremy* Lol! I overdither horribly xD, bad habit which you should try to avoid :D That demon atm looks like it'd get bullied by all the other demons for being bright cyan in colour, could use a little desaturisation and hue shiftage. If you work on the teeth a bit more to make them pearlescent (Which they semi-do atm) it'd look otherworldlyly cool :D Well, the dithering on your pieces seems to work, I'm envious. I was going to do a typical red-ish demon but found a saved pallete I'd done and not wanting to be sterotypical and being lazy got together and voila, cyan demon. Hue shifting is, like dithering and AA, something at which I've not yet gotten decent. I've read the tutorials but, like everything, it takes doing it to really figure out what you're doing. I'll play with the teeth and see what I can do. Thanks for all the help! :)
	"The Earth starts to rumble, world powers fall. A 'warring for the heavens, a peaceful man stands tall...." - Mustaine. ©1992 Screen Gems/EMI
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jeremy Rear Admiral Joined: 25 November 2024 Location: New Zealand Online Status: Offline Posts: 1704	Posted: 17 April 2009 at 6:36am
	Basically, some colours look lighter than others (even when of the same saturation & value), i.e. blue and yellow, so if you want your demon to look cyan (Saturated, bright teal) you'd go further towards puple for shadows and further towards yellow for highlights. Your colours are still quite saturated and there are a sh*tload of them (single pixels, be sure to clean them up) The first pic is a straight colour swap, the second me going crazy xD (By the way, I reckon my pixeling ability has improved immensely through editing others' stuff- thanks!)
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vampireslug Commander Joined: 16 February 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 187	Posted: 17 April 2009 at 9:53am
	Well, for better or worse I ditched the entire color scheme of the head and went with my first instinct choice of red-ish. To be honest, I'm not all that happy with it but I'm out of time so I'm posting it and chalking this up to a lesson learned in hue shifting (whether or not I was successful).
	"The Earth starts to rumble, world powers fall. A 'warring for the heavens, a peaceful man stands tall...." - Mustaine. ©1992 Screen Gems/EMI
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TMH Commander Joined: 28 December 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 291	Posted: 17 April 2009 at 1:57pm
	i dont really like the dithering or the color on the horns. try doing it in the same style as the teeth
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Quake Commander Joined: 03 September 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 190	Posted: 17 April 2009 at 2:25pm
	anyone? http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/344/2/3/6_views_skull_by_tobiee.jpg Even though it's a "demon skull", i'd think the same proportions etc would apply.
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Hapiel Rear Admiral Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266	Posted: 18 April 2009 at 1:52am
	Your colors are all way to saturated on the last one. Use lower saturation for darker colors! Also, again, stop the dithering! Youll do much better without for the next 2 years!
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vampireslug Commander Joined: 16 February 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 187	Posted: 20 April 2009 at 3:19am
	I agree, the colors are all weird - I'm still working on building decent palettes so hopefully I'll get the hang of it soon. Is it dithering in general that you hate or just my dithering? I had it without, originally, but the transitions between colors was too jarring and I didn't want to just start throwing more colors in there as I was already at 27 and it seemed to be getting out of control.
	"The Earth starts to rumble, world powers fall. A 'warring for the heavens, a peaceful man stands tall...." - Mustaine. ©1992 Screen Gems/EMI
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vampireslug Commander Joined: 16 February 2009 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 187	Posted: 20 April 2009 at 3:23am
	*Originally posted by Quake* anyone? http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs5/i/2004/344/2/3/6_views_skull_by_tobiee.jpg Even though it's a "demon skull", i'd think the same proportions etc would apply. It was a conscious choice to have a non-proportionate skull for this piece, I wanted it to be skull-ish but not human in any way. I could have gone with an anatomically correct skull but it wouldn't have been as "demon" or as cartoonish as I was trying to get. Thanks for the link though, really nice sketches - reminds me of my skeletal analysis textbook from college (I was in charge of skeletal identification at the museum at university senior year).
	"The Earth starts to rumble, world powers fall. A 'warring for the heavens, a peaceful man stands tall...." - Mustaine. ©1992 Screen Gems/EMI
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