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    Posted: 16 July 2011 at 4:45pm

  [MOD EDIT] I merged your 3 posts into one. Please don't multipost. --Hatch


Edited by Frost Butt - 17 July 2011 at 3:01pm
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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2011 at 5:02pm
Hatch, I did not mean to do so, but when I used the preview post button, only the first image appeared, so I assumed that I had to post them seperately
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2011 at 5:23pm
It's ok. Anyhow, these are fine. There's just not a whole lot you can do with icons this small. You're still operating too much at the pixel level. I still suggest working a little bigger and a lot looser.

[EDIT], because I still don't feel I've adequately made this point:

Very often, when a budding artist uses pixel art as a gateway to art generally, they let the "pixel" aspect hold them back from learning good general art practices. An experienced artist who gets into pixel art will, with a few exceptions, use exactly the same skills he's used for every other medium, and then refine down to pixel-level precision at the end. They do extra work to give their art the crispness that comes with this medium. As I've said before, it's an additional layer of complexity on top of general artistic practices.

On the flip side, a newcomer to art who starts with pixel art sometimes goes about it in such a way that he never gets above the pixel level. He makes simple pixel patterns, fusses with pointless dither, shuns real 3D perspectives (cough), and in the process shoots himself in the foot by never learning the fundamental skills required to make good art. I can't begin to tell you how degenerate this is. The newcomer who does this is abusing pixel art to avoid the hard work of gaining good, general artistic skills. He does a great disservice to himself and to the medium.

While there's nothing wrong with learning art through pixel art, you have to break out of the mindset of working strictly with pixels if you want to become a good artist. There are no warp pipes and there is no godmode.


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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2011 at 5:29pm
well, I just thought I'd benefit from trying small first. I don't know. Maybe how I operate is just how I operate.. I really have attempted working bigger and looser like you say, but I just end up with such deformed shapes that even when I try to clean up the lines, it looks rough.... and it drives me mad
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2011 at 5:41pm
No one starts out doing anything as an expert. Everyone here started exactly where you are. There's no shame in it. I suggest taking another crack at it and posting your best attempt. I promise you'll get nothing but support.


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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2011 at 5:42pm
Ouch, ok..thanks
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Quote Friend Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2011 at 5:59pm
you don't know how much I appreciate devoting your time to help me improve. This is something I really want to be passionate about but I'm just not even sure I can be an artist. I cant visualize anything and can't wrap my head around everything from how lighting works to any kind of spatial reasoning

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Quote CELS Replybullet Posted: 16 July 2011 at 7:45pm
The ability to visualize improves, in painting as in other activities, with practice. At least, that's my experience.

The good thing about the WIP forum is that it obviously lets struggling artists communicate, help and encourage eachother, which leads to more motivation. But I notice, for my own part, that it's easy to abuse it. Instead of doing research and learning by doing, I find myself depending on other people to motivate me. I'll make a tiny change to one of my drawings, post it here, and wait for someone to push me forward. There are thousands of tutorials on the web, and yet I come here expecting experienced artists to explain things to me.

Far be it from me to offer advice, FrostButt. But it seems we share some of the same challenges.

Hatch, your post was very well written. I only wish I had read that a year ago. :)
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