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S2Elaine
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Joined: 27 April 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
Topic: Help. o-o;;Posted: 02 May 2012 at 9:24am |
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Uhm, so basically my whole gallery says "PIXEL ART REQUIRES REVISION!" on it. Anyone care to tell me why? o.o
The only thing that wasn't put in revision was the sheep =o= ![]() Edited by S2Elaine - 03 May 2012 at 8:28am |
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cure
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Joined: 23 March 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2859 |
Posted: 02 May 2012 at 8:33pm |
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they don't really show much control of the medium. lots of jaggies, poor contrast, inconsistent lighting, lack of AA, uneven fonts, unreferenced anatomy, randomly varying line thickness, etc. I'd recommend reading the stickied tutorial in the resources/support forum as well as created a WIP thread for one of the pieces.
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S2Elaine
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Joined: 27 April 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 8:25am |
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That's because I'm new to pixelling, I can't help that. What would be nicer than removing it is to comment on it and tell me whats wrong with them rather than forcing me to change it...
I've also read plenty of tutorials before, (I came here from a pixel game) but I've always figured the best practice is actually doing it, then having people tell you whats wrong, not just randomly removing it without reason. And what fonts? Any text that was on the pixels I did pixel by pixel. o-o Edited by S2Elaine - 03 May 2012 at 8:27am |
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yrizoud
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Joined: 03 May 2021 Location: France Online Status: Offline Posts: 343 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 8:51am |
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Pixeljoint has two distinct areas, the forums and the gallery.
The gallery is meant for works that you consider finished and expect no problem getting people's votes to get in. The board called "WIP" is the right place if you expect comments to help you improve a piece. The way the site is built, there's no bridge between the two, so it's up to you to write a thread, and then when you think the piece will be fine, submit the latest version to the gallery. |
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S2Elaine
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Joined: 27 April 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 8:58am |
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Oh also Cure, what did you mean by unreferenced anatomy?
The pieces I submitted weren't WIPs. To me they were complete, I asked a couple of pixel friends to have a look at them before submitting. I didn't do anything different than anyone else. I spent a lot of time on those pieces, the squirrel took me a couple hours actually. I got feedback from friends when I decided it was complete, I uploaded it. It's not a WIP. I do expect feedback from the comments, I always do, WIP or not. I want peoples opinion, that's normal. You're basically saying that people who are new to pixeling can't post -.- Why do we have to be voted into the gallery? You guys don't have enough bandwith or something...? Edited by S2Elaine - 03 May 2012 at 9:44am |
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Stava
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Joined: 29 October 2025 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 9:44am |
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I've joined Pixel joint only recently (about a week ago)
And these rules are really making me want to leave, already. I think the website/forum needs to be more newb friendly, I don't think pixel art should be put on revision just out of blue like that, they should note the op why it's been put on revision, I bet any newby is clueless, especially if they're new to pixel art in general. I have been pixeling for about 5 years, and the rules don't make sense to me as I had no idea why my side scroller mockup was put under revision, since I didn't use any forbidden tool. In my opinion if pixel art one posts is not professional, you should not just remove it and leave him without a explanation what exactly is wrong, it's not stated anywhere that they must post their WIP's in the forum section, and even if they do, a lot of the unprofessional WIP's get no reply. Here's some examples of that: 1 2 3 And why does it matter to you if the user wants to have his unskilled pixel art in his gallery? Why does one not have freedom to post the quality they actually have? Personally I value more something that one has made on their own than after 10 critiques and edits from a far more experienced artist. |
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cure
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Joined: 23 March 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2859 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 10:29am |
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I didn't say they were WIPs, I said they should be. PJ isn't deviantart, we have a quality standard and work that shows a poor understanding of the medium is often sent back for revision. As yrizoud said, that's why we have the forums, to help noobs become non-noobs, rather than just accept noob art when we know they're capable of more.
There have been plenty of people new to pixelling whose work got in the gallery instantly. Those works exhibited few of the problems I listed, and the artist usually had a background in another medium. There are also plenty of artists who are new to the pixel art that study the medium a little bit before worrying about filling their gallery. If you have to ask why we don't let every piece in the gallery, then you've probably never been to the cesspool that is dA's pixel art section. stava: The revision message someone receives with a piece redirects them to the appropriate forum for any questions regarding why a piece was rejected. Moderators don't always have time to write in-depth personal messages on every piece that doesn't get in, there's enough work for them as it is. Edited by cure - 03 May 2012 at 10:37am |
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S2Elaine
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Joined: 27 April 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 10:55am |
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You guys don't even reply to the WIPs, so what's the point in sending stuff back to revision other than to piss people off with your rules that aren't even stated somewhere visible?
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cure
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Joined: 23 March 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2859 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 11:19am |
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There's not one, it's purely to piss people off.
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Stava
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Joined: 29 October 2025 Online Status: Offline Posts: 15 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 11:27am |
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They don't have to get into details, don't have to write massive texts about it.
But there could be a feature they could add that would be like when reporting somebody, you can just choose one of the options why you are reporting the person, same way they could choose one of options why they're putting the artwork into revision, just to give the op an idea why his pixel art has been removed, without having to come here and wait for a explanation from members who didn't have anything to do with getting the pixel art removed. And I don't think the pixel should be removed from the gallery, it should just be removed from the newest pixel art and public queue but stay in the gallery so the op doesn't have to post it on the forum, where he'll get a critique if he is lucky enough. And quality standard is not newb friendly. I see that you are helping beginners, but I don't think confusing them with a system like this is smart, First you post your piece in the gallery. and nowhere in the rules it doesn't say that unprofessional artwork is counted as WIP but still you get your artwork removed because it's unprofessional and counted as WIP. That's when you get a message where it without a reason(?) doesn't explain why your piece was put into a revision, but instead it tells you to go and ask on the forum. So when you come to ask on the forum, you get a explanation from members who had nothing to do with getting your pixel art put into revision. Anyway.. The members end up telling you to go post your piece to the WIP section of the forum so other members can comment it and give you critiques. And there the beginner had to make 3 posts related to his pixel in 3 different parts/sections of the website/forum just to get to the 4th step where they actually post their piece for the 4th time into their gallery, and finally get it accepted. It's all really confusing and time wasting, for both sides, people who are trying to help and people who are looking for help. Edited by Stava - 03 May 2012 at 11:29am |
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jalonso
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Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 11:29am |
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The small yellow with the 'bah' is still in the queue because its the only piece that shows some control but is troublesome too.
I sent your pieces back not because it was my sole opinion but because member 'yes' votes were very low on your pieces. Imo, you show very little control and skill. This is totally workable and you will improve. For the most part the work is OK and even cute. Its about presentation (odd canvases/layout) technique (banding/sloppy pixelwork) etc. We do try to reply to WIPs and often over comment. Its also our experience that many don't like comments after all or waste the posters time with their input. Its really more efficient when something is sent for revision and members ask why as you have here. We want to help and wish everything was accepted but its unrealistic if we are ever to police each other on pixelart in a strict enough way that everyone benefits from it. We all want to LOVE everything we see...its why we are here, we pixel and comment at all. ps: the PJ staff is not the 'man' and we always take member feedback and input into account when making final decisions. Personally, it often hurts me more than the artist when having to send something back. pss: Anything 'rejected' is not final! Any person is encouraged and welcome to improve their work and get feedback and stuff. psss: At first things are vague and confusing in the gallery. This is a good thing. We find those that truly love pixel pushing will persevere and find their way through experimentation, communications and being an active community member. Chill a little and remember that everyone here is an artist too and everyone has their own projects and everyone is still learning...nothing is ever personal. |
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Hapiel
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Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266 |
Posted: 03 May 2012 at 1:30pm |
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I find this an extremely common question. Maybe the icon is send back for quality reason message should contain a link to a cool page that tells you what to do in a sophisticated, detailed way which will finally lead to the Tutorial and WIP forum?
I would be willing to help to write such a page.. |
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BatTheMan
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Joined: 28 August 2012 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
Posted: 31 August 2012 at 5:54am |
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Uhm , I would say that pixel joint is noob friendly .
This got all that you need to get better . Great people to comment and rate your art . A big forum where you can post your "failed" art that you wan't to approve . This got everything you need to get good enough to make game art and suspend your art to something better . It got rules and an working system that doesn't let you throw in something that you made in 5 min . This is like an pixel art school , these higher ranked players are your teachers and the other ones are your class mates . This is maybe not the perfect website . But then ... What is? I think that those of you that complains and don't like this website should ither stop or leave . No one says that you have to do pixel art . I hope this makes sense . Sorry for my bad english . //From the novice BatTheMan . |
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atprises
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Joined: 27 May 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 41 |
Posted: 31 August 2012 at 8:11am |
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Ditto BatTheMan !
I'm pretty new here and I find that this website system of posting is actually amazing cuz it makes me work twice harder. Also do not ask friends if what you do is okay because they will mostly encourage you just cuz they want to be good for you. Strangers will give you unprejudiced opinions and feedback that will really matter for your art. That's why we are all here :) If you are not comfortable with such system you can get an account on deviantart and post there everything you want. There is a massive pixel art gallery too but it doesn't have such strong support as Pixel Joint has. Post in forums here and try submitting to the gallery. Fight it!! It's not as easy as you think ;) |
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