Pixel Joint Forum: Criticism

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   I think a lot of people misunderstand criticism, get offended by them. Which is a huge misconception, usually the younger users around 14- 

Which is not a generalization(yes it is) it's really just an observation. Age is meanless ( to some extent of course) I really wanted to take up on this topic or get it out there that criticizing your ideas is not criticizing that person, it is meant to help them get better. I think more people need to be aware of this issue. My mom gets mad at me all the time she says stop being so negative and criticizing everything and I say it is not being negative it is taking what is negative about something and trying to make it positive. A few examples of how this greatly affected someone would be of pixeljoint user; Shark. ( you can pause here and go look him up if you don't know you can probably find what happened). Anyways he made a criticism which turned into an argument both might have been in a bad mood and shark took it personally. Unfortunate but it does happen ALOT even see that I got into a bit of a pickle with that caca or what ever because she misunderstood my demeanour I guess. My comment did come off as rude but it was intended to be humorous. 

I just really wanted to have a conversation about this.

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Limes Commander Joined: 15 September 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 683	Topic: Criticism Posted: 03 September 2014 at 3:09am
	I think a lot of people misunderstand criticism, get offended by them. Which is a huge misconception, usually the younger users around 14- Which is not a generalization(yes it is) it's really just an observation. Age is meanless ( to some extent of course) I really wanted to take up on this topic or get it out there that criticizing your ideas is not criticizing that person, it is meant to help them get better. I think more people need to be aware of this issue. My mom gets mad at me all the time she says stop being so negative and criticizing everything and I say it is not being negative it is taking what is negative about something and trying to make it positive. A few examples of how this greatly affected someone would be of pixeljoint user; Shark. ( you can pause here and go look him up if you don't know you can probably find what happened). Anyways he made a criticism which turned into an argument both might have been in a bad mood and shark took it personally. Unfortunate but it does happen ALOT even see that I got into a bit of a pickle with that caca or what ever because she misunderstood my demeanour I guess. My comment did come off as rude but it was intended to be humorous. I just really wanted to have a conversation about this.
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jtfjtfjtf Commander Joined: 17 July 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 162	Posted: 03 September 2014 at 3:24am
	Are you talking about art criticism or the fact that sarcasm is hard to detect on the internet? Also, do you have a link to Shark?
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Limes Commander Joined: 15 September 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 683	Posted: 03 September 2014 at 3:39am
	It is sourly based on how if I am giving you criticism It has nothing to do with anything personal. Many people tend to take criticisms specially hard ones really personally. Hold on I'm getting links brb... Ahhhh yes pixel blink vs shark... read the comments... It's really quite sad actually. SHARK EDIT: I took out the caca link. Edited by Limes - 10 September 2014 at 12:05pm
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jtfjtfjtf Commander Joined: 17 July 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 162	Posted: 03 September 2014 at 4:11am
	Thanks for the Shark link. Cue the "well that escalated quickly" meme. He seemed very sensitive. I think taking art classes where you get critiqued, and get to critique, in a public group setting is very helpful. Caca got temp banned for some chatterbox stuff.
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 03 September 2014 at 5:23am
	caca, did not disable her account. We closed it for her. Feedback of any kind and how feedback is received is beyond our control and we don't and can't do anything about this. Personal insults, attacks and offensive behavior we do not allow.
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noaqh Seaman Joined: 03 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13	Posted: 04 September 2014 at 10:37pm
	hehe... well this is funny. Art site in Asia kinda scold of crit talk since mostly people won't even bother edit it( It's kinda waste of time to edit something when you are still just at the point of starting really) of course the best way to make the artists know how suck they are is the fave system, rating system and the comment system( which is mostly full of compliments)... Still, you might sound like a total douche-bag to crit something artistic being showcase in a public gallery( It happen everywhere really- do you dare to say that you don't understand a single thing from a Picasso Exhibition? Might need a lot of stone for that :/) On top notch... the best person to crit is the artist themselves... so you draw a pic for nearly 2 days and it got like 2 faves and 1 comments? well that okay... that guy sit for 3 weeks and got inside the Hall of Fame... see the diff?( this is just a suggestion... I saw a lot of emo kids jealously going on rummage around dA all the time( that thing never happened in Pixiv tho-since most not-so-good artist practice with very funny memes))
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Limes Commander Joined: 15 September 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 683	Posted: 05 September 2014 at 11:11pm
	Nice to see different perspectives.
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Killapeanutz Seaman Joined: 04 September 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31	Posted: 06 September 2014 at 12:04am
	its late and my thoughts are scattered but i personally love criticism. I would never learn how to improve my art without it. when it comes to criticizing art when receiving the criticism i take it as a personal opinion. Most of the time it is things that i agree with. when its not its just there opinion and though they would have done things the way they suggested for what ever reason i wont and there is no hurt feelings on ether party.
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noaqh Seaman Joined: 03 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13	Posted: 06 September 2014 at 1:08am
	remember that there are alot of talent-less hacks out there trying to crit you without constructive info to pull you down... Best just to ignore simple talk such as '' I don't like this'', " Hey I like this style better, try it''... It came to attention that these non-constructive criticism is a way of cyber-bulling or mental-bullying... Rhetorical comments are hurtful as well and always non-constructive as well as discourage us. oh and I forgot to mention... in Asia artist community. If you crit( and not constructive) on an art( which is better than what you can make) you can be flame with a thousand replies... of course same with @-holes artists who bully newbies Of course since pixel art is a type of easy-to-edit you can easily make up your mistakes... with "CONSTRUCTIVE" critcism
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jtfjtfjtf Commander Joined: 17 July 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 162	Posted: 06 September 2014 at 7:39am
	When I critique a piece it's important for me to understand what goals the artist wanted to achieve. And then that forms the basis of my critique.
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