Pixel Joint Forum: NPA: "Hybrid" trees for RPG

Author

Message

Morgan
Midshipman

Joined: 25 June 2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 94

Topic: NPA: "Hybrid" trees for RPG
Posted: 11 September 2006 at 5:47am

< latest

^new

The hybridization in question is edited photo (foliage) + hand pixelling (trunks). The third tree is 100% pixelled (though not all mine -- the foliage is from a set of graphics that Danc of Lost Garden released), just to show you what I'm trying to match.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with the results. I may do some more cleanup -- I know they could use it, it's just a question of time. I also think I may have pushed the contrast too much -- at this point they actually look more like rendered 3D than photos to me, and I think it's because the shadows are so dark. So I may fiddle with that some more.

Anyway. Feedback appreciated, but be aware that I may ignore perfectly valid critiques for expediency's sake.

Edited by Morgan - 18 September 2006 at 10:36pm

IP Logged

jalonso
Admiral
Admiral

Joined: 29 November 2022
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13537

Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:34am

You left some stray pixels on the third one (blues).
The match between the trunk and the foliage is quite obvious. The contrast in particular.

PJs FAQ <•> Sticky Reads

IP Logged

Stitchy
Commander

PJ Pioneer

Joined: 09 June 2020
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 405

Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:40am

Wow. The lighting is just perfect, even though the first two are photo conversions. Stunning. :'D

IP Logged

Ensellitis
Commander

Joined: 19 June 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 10099

Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:46am

[quote]The hybridization in question is edited photo (foliage) + hand pixelling (trunks)"[quote]

:P we know stitchy, thats what a hybrid is :D

as for the trees, i dont think the trunks match at all... the trunks to me are obvious pixel art, and the canopies are obvious phot reductions... i think a full phot redux or full pixel art would be better.

ಠ_ಠ
There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross.

IP Logged

Saboteur
Commander

Joined: 29 January 2018
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 888

Posted: 11 September 2006 at 2:41pm

For one, there's a consistency problem 'twixt the fully-pixelled tree and the two hybrids. The hybrids are sharp, clear and well defined, whereas the "pure" is blotchier and not as sharp.

There's also the issue of lightsource. Hybrids: top right, other: top down.

The details in the trunks are also kinda hard to make out, in my opinion. Moooore contrast? M'iunno.

Cool experiment, though, and good luck with it. I, for one, will be checkin' on this whene'er I can :P

"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."

IP Logged

Stitchy
Commander

PJ Pioneer

Joined: 09 June 2020
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 405

Posted: 11 September 2006 at 2:52pm

Originally posted by Ensellitis

The hybridization in question is edited photo (foliage) + hand pixelling (trunks)"

:P we know stitchy, thats what a hybrid is :D

QUIET LEAD HEAD :C Maybe someone got a use from my statement of the obvious.

IP Logged

Brian the Great
Commander

RED!

Joined: 03 March 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2221

Posted: 11 September 2006 at 2:59pm

Foiled again!

IP Logged

Morgan
Midshipman

Joined: 25 June 2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 94

Posted: 12 September 2006 at 2:09pm

Stray blue pixels: Noted and fixed. Thanks, jalonso.

For the hybrids, I've adjusted the lighting on the trunks, and tried to soften the foliage a little:

Thank you all for the feedback!

FYI, "top right" is the official lightsource of the game. I figured Danc's tree was close enough... it's right-ish, to my eye. :P

IP Logged

jalonso
Admiral
Admiral

Joined: 29 November 2022
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13537

Posted: 13 September 2006 at 8:59am

The updates look much smoother. All the trees need a shadow on the top part of the trunk where the foliage meets the trunk with this lighting.

PJs FAQ <•> Sticky Reads

IP Logged

Morgan
Midshipman

Joined: 25 June 2006
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 94

Posted: 18 September 2006 at 10:46pm

Good point -- thanks.

So, as you can see from my updated top post, I'm having some trouble making my hybrid trees match each other, nevermind the "control" tree. If I'm lucky, though, I'll be able to use the different "styles" in different environments, as long as I don't mix'n'match. I want to get a basic engine and editor cobbled together and test that assumption before I do much more, though.

IP Logged

Saboteur
Commander

Joined: 29 January 2018
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 888

Posted: 18 September 2006 at 11:07pm

Ahh, the magic of different lighting. I figured that might be a problem. You honestly might have to look into taking all your pictures at the same time of day as the previous, and from roughly the same distance, and with the same camera at the same focus or... something?

M'iunno. It might also be an idea to attempt to splice together segments of different trees.

Haha, that'd be a lot of work.

"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."

IP Logged

jalonso
Admiral
Admiral

Joined: 29 November 2022
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 13537

Posted: 19 September 2006 at 10:29am

The new tall lanky tree is way too saturated for the others.
The new bush seems to want a bit more contrast and perhaps some of the dark shades on the outline to better match the others.

PJs FAQ <•> Sticky Reads

IP Logged

Stitchy
Commander

PJ Pioneer

Joined: 09 June 2020
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 405

Posted: 19 September 2006 at 11:09am

I think the trunks of the trees could use some stark shading somewhere. Not necessarily all the shading, just different areas where shadows might appear. It would make them blend better with the sharp shading between the leaves and what not. :B

IP Logged

WIP (Work In Progress)
Pixel Joint Forum : Pixel Art : WIP (Work In Progress)

Author	Message
Morgan Midshipman Joined: 25 June 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Topic: NPA: "Hybrid" trees for RPG Posted: 11 September 2006 at 5:47am
	< latest ^new The hybridization in question is edited photo (foliage) + hand pixelling (trunks). The third tree is 100% pixelled (though not all mine -- the foliage is from a set of graphics that Danc of Lost Garden released), just to show you what I'm trying to match. All in all, I'm pretty happy with the results. I may do some more cleanup -- I know they could use it, it's just a question of time. I also think I may have pushed the contrast too much -- at this point they actually look more like rendered 3D than photos to me, and I think it's because the shadows are so dark. So I may fiddle with that some more. Anyway. Feedback appreciated, but be aware that I may ignore perfectly valid critiques for expediency's sake. Edited by Morgan - 18 September 2006 at 10:36pm
	IP Logged

jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 11 September 2006 at 7:34am
	You left some stray pixels on the third one (blues). The match between the trunk and the foliage is quite obvious. The contrast in particular.
	PJs FAQ <•> Sticky Reads
	IP Logged

Stitchy Commander PJ Pioneer Joined: 09 June 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 405	Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:40am
	Wow. The lighting is just perfect, even though the first two are photo conversions. Stunning. :'D

	IP Logged

Ensellitis Commander Joined: 19 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 10099	Posted: 11 September 2006 at 8:46am
	[quote]The hybridization in question is edited photo (foliage) + hand pixelling (trunks)"[quote] :P we know stitchy, thats what a hybrid is :D as for the trees, i dont think the trunks match at all... the trunks to me are obvious pixel art, and the canopies are obvious phot reductions... i think a full phot redux or full pixel art would be better.
	ಠ_ಠ There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross.
	IP Logged

Saboteur Commander Joined: 29 January 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 888	Posted: 11 September 2006 at 2:41pm
	For one, there's a consistency problem 'twixt the fully-pixelled tree and the two hybrids. The hybrids are sharp, clear and well defined, whereas the "pure" is blotchier and not as sharp. There's also the issue of lightsource. Hybrids: top right, other: top down. The details in the trunks are also kinda hard to make out, in my opinion. Moooore contrast? M'iunno. Cool experiment, though, and good luck with it. I, for one, will be checkin' on this whene'er I can :P
	"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."
	IP Logged

Stitchy Commander PJ Pioneer Joined: 09 June 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 405	Posted: 11 September 2006 at 2:52pm
	*Originally posted by Ensellitis* The hybridization in question is edited photo (foliage) + hand pixelling (trunks)" :P we know stitchy, thats what a hybrid is :D QUIET LEAD HEAD :C Maybe someone got a use from my statement of the obvious.

	IP Logged

Brian the Great Commander RED! Joined: 03 March 2005 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2221	Posted: 11 September 2006 at 2:59pm
	Foiled again!

	IP Logged

Morgan Midshipman Joined: 25 June 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Posted: 12 September 2006 at 2:09pm
	Stray blue pixels: Noted and fixed. Thanks, jalonso. For the hybrids, I've adjusted the lighting on the trunks, and tried to soften the foliage a little: Thank you all for the feedback! FYI, "top right" is the official lightsource of the game. I figured Danc's tree was close enough... it's right-ish, to my eye. :P
	IP Logged

jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 13 September 2006 at 8:59am
	The updates look much smoother. All the trees need a shadow on the top part of the trunk where the foliage meets the trunk with this lighting.
	PJs FAQ <•> Sticky Reads
	IP Logged

Morgan Midshipman Joined: 25 June 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 94	Posted: 18 September 2006 at 10:46pm
	Good point -- thanks. So, as you can see from my updated top post, I'm having some trouble making my hybrid trees match each other, nevermind the "control" tree. If I'm lucky, though, I'll be able to use the different "styles" in different environments, as long as I don't mix'n'match. I want to get a basic engine and editor cobbled together and test that assumption before I do much more, though.
	IP Logged

Saboteur Commander Joined: 29 January 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 888	Posted: 18 September 2006 at 11:07pm
	Ahh, the magic of different lighting. I figured that might be a problem. You honestly might have to look into taking all your pictures at the same time of day as the previous, and from roughly the same distance, and with the same camera at the same focus or... something? M'iunno. It might also be an idea to attempt to splice together segments of different trees. Haha, that'd be a lot of work.
	"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."
	IP Logged

jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 19 September 2006 at 10:29am
	The new tall lanky tree is way too saturated for the others. The new bush seems to want a bit more contrast and perhaps some of the dark shades on the outline to better match the others.
	PJs FAQ <•> Sticky Reads
	IP Logged

Stitchy Commander PJ Pioneer Joined: 09 June 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 405	Posted: 19 September 2006 at 11:09am
	I think the trunks of the trees could use some stark shading somewhere. Not necessarily all the shading, just different areas where shadows might appear. It would make them blend better with the sharp shading between the leaves and what not. :B

	IP Logged