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JackBauer24
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Topic: New project - WWII tanks
Posted: 24 February 2007 at 11:34am

Hey guys, I have decided to put the train and the German officer projects on hold for a while and concentrate on tanks. The subject seems pretty hot at the moment and I wish to add my work to the fray. Enjoy and feel free to critique it

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Posted: 24 February 2007 at 1:43pm

The lineart is really nice. But im no expert on tanks so i cant say how accurate it is.

Please change the background color to something more saturated. that bright blue hurts my eyes.

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leel
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Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:59pm

you mean less saturated, grave :P

Jack, I have to tell you, that in all your wips everyone keeps telling you the same things and you just never seem to take some chances and try it out. While the lineart is nice (though I can't say how accurate is it, either) the whole piece, once again, lacks depth. You have a good start putting some shadows on the wheels and making the wheels on the other side darker, but it's not enough. The whole piece is just generally flat.

I would also suggest losing the black outlines on every little detail. Use values, not outlines to make the details stand out.

I'm sure you've already seen this, but definitelly spend some times studying the lighting and textures Rodder used to make his tank so dynamic and aestheticaly delicious :)

http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3798

So, basically, nothing new. I've yet to see any updates from you that go beyond this very, very basic shading. But again, good luck

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 24 February 2007 at 4:05pm

Yeah I guess youre right. I cant seem to get any of what you guys say to sink in. I honestly try. I did the camo by myself, if that means anything. I will try MY hardest to grasp your points. Also, the tanks I show are all drawn from careful study of the vehicle in question. Thanks again.

Jack

Edited by JackBauer24 - 24 February 2007 at 4:06pm

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grave
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Posted: 25 February 2007 at 12:14am

Originally posted by leel

you mean less saturated, grave :P

oh yeah thats what it was :P

ive been out of the pixel scene for to long. and when making flash movies you dont hear complicated stuff like that :p

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 21 March 2007 at 7:02am

Hey guys, Jack here again. Just wondering if my work would look better if I changed all the black lines to dark versions of the various colors I use. This project is my main idea at present. Its gone through some major changes. I will post as soon as possible. Thanks and have a great day!

Jack

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Posted: 21 March 2007 at 9:02am

it definately would. i would even go as far as saying it'd look even better (more realistic) completely without outlines, and only shading

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 21 March 2007 at 9:26am

woah...without outlines? That is an interesting idea. Hmmm... I dont know if Im quite ready to take that step...perhaps eventually. But I will eliminate unnecessary blacks in my outlines. Thanks alot Snader.

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:10am

Ok, I figure its best to work on one part of the project then move onto the next part of it so I am focusing on the tank. Here is what I got so far. Main thing is I tried a new look for the barrel of the vehicle. Feel free to C+C it. Thanks!

Jack

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Posted: 24 March 2007 at 1:49pm

Ok folks, this is what I have got so far. I hope you like it. Also, the clouds are not set in stone. I just wanted a feel for the demo.

Jack

Edited by JackBauer24 - 24 March 2007 at 1:49pm

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Posted: 28 March 2007 at 9:20pm

I think everything on it looks good. It has something about it that is just great. I like the people.

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PixelSnader
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Posted: 29 March 2007 at 4:58am

there's still no shading , except the tank barrel

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 29 March 2007 at 9:06am

Ah, so I did achieve what I was aiming for. Now to apply shading to the rest of the tank. Thanks Snader.

Jack

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Posted: 29 March 2007 at 9:41am

Jack that is seriously cool. Are you going to make it like a platform game or something? Either way id love to see it in action.

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 29 March 2007 at 11:12am

You know, Im not at present. I like drawing scenes like that. Right now Im trying to learn different methods such as shading. Its definently a disadvantage to have no training in those tools. Hopefully I can improve my stuff to be good enough to post on the gallery. Heh, one can hope. Thanks for the remarks!

Update:

Jack

Edited by JackBauer24 - 10 May 2007 at 5:12pm

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 10:52am

Ok folks, time for a major update(For me). I still have the shading to do but the scene is really coming together. Hope you all like it.

Jack

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Hapiel
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 11:06am

Could not see any, so I checked it, and yes.. there where noo differences...

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 11:44am

Mmmm....Really? Its different on my end. A whole wackload of stuff. Mainly the men and the church. Thanks for chatting.

Jack

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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 12:17pm

I copyd the first one to paint, and then putted the second one over it.. doing that 10 times (cntrl + v, del, cntrl +v, del) gives an easy overview what changed.. I did it again, now watchin the men, and the church, but I still do not see any differences.. could you cicle some??? maybe you uploaded the wrong one..

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its the same image file..

number one is:
http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/files/837/German-Panzers-on-the-prowl.png
number two is:
http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/files/837/German-Panzers-on-the-prowl.png
No difference

so you got the wrong file...

Edited by Lollige - 12 April 2007 at 12:18pm

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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 1:04pm

he probably just edited the file instead of uploading a new one

I think the frontalism takes away from the realistic feel..

Edited by leel - 12 April 2007 at 1:05pm

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Twizzler
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Posted: 12 April 2007 at 3:19pm

why are the two buildings on the left destroyed and the two on the right perfect?

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 13 April 2007 at 6:28am

I havent destroyed the other house yet. There is damage on the church but it too is not complete. I will continue to work on the piece.

Jack

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Posted: 20 April 2007 at 12:03pm

Some work done on the houses. Maybe Im not grasping this correctly. This is my attempt to make my stuff look better. If not, back to the drawing board, heh heh. Here it is.

Jack

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Posted: 20 April 2007 at 3:56pm

Are you using photobucket to host images? I had the same problem a while back, all the changes I made to a picture and re-uploaded, I saw the newer one, but nobody else did.

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 10 May 2007 at 12:18am

Here is a piece showcasing the tank in question. The overall scene is bigger but I want advice focusing on the tank. Thanks!

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Posted: 12 May 2007 at 4:26am

I made an edit.. zoom, watch, watch watch, learn, watch, watch, edit ur own :)
I added some dirt.. it was a pretty clean tank...The edits I made are not based on reality, I have no idea what a tank looks like XD

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Posted: 13 May 2007 at 11:15am

Thanks for the advice Lollige. One thing, why did you go over the outlines and what did you do to the camo? Thanks!

Jack

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Posted: 13 May 2007 at 12:30pm

Originally posted by JackBauer24

Thanks for the advice Lollige. One thing, why did you go over the outlines and what did you do to the camo? Thanks!

Jack

I changed the outlines, because they where very good visible now.. and I made them more camoflated.. The camoflation: zoom in and you will see :)

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 13 May 2007 at 12:51pm

Hmmmm, I see now what you did. Thing is, the lines are visible in references no matter if there is camo or not. Anyhow, here is the latest in the scene I was talking about earlier. Enjoy!

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Posted: 13 May 2007 at 5:28pm

The church is nice...

I like your authentic tank paintings, its really nice. Been watching your tanks for quite some time, very impresive

like the tank in the first post the most though :D

www.sunbladez.com

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JackBauer24
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Posted: 15 May 2007 at 1:53pm

Serendor, are you...GASP...Suggesting that I switch tanks at this point? Main issue with that is the colors and styles are different. The Panther still has the black outlines, etc. I did want to have it but I felt that it wasnt working for the scene. If you have any ideas that would be of help, let me know. Thanks!

Jack

Edited by JackBauer24 - 20 May 2007 at 7:34am

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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Topic: New project - WWII tanks Posted: 24 February 2007 at 11:34am
	Hey guys, I have decided to put the train and the German officer projects on hold for a while and concentrate on tanks. The subject seems pretty hot at the moment and I wish to add my work to the fray. Enjoy and feel free to critique it
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grave Commander Joined: 27 November 2019 Online Status: Offline Posts: 127	Posted: 24 February 2007 at 1:43pm
	The lineart is really nice. But im no expert on tanks so i cant say how accurate it is. Please change the background color to something more saturated. that bright blue hurts my eyes.
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leel Commander Joined: 29 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3001	Posted: 24 February 2007 at 2:59pm
	you mean less saturated, grave :P Jack, I have to tell you, that in all your wips everyone keeps telling you the same things and you just never seem to take some chances and try it out. While the lineart is nice (though I can't say how accurate is it, either) the whole piece, once again, lacks depth. You have a good start putting some shadows on the wheels and making the wheels on the other side darker, but it's not enough. The whole piece is just generally flat. I would also suggest losing the black outlines on every little detail. Use values, not outlines to make the details stand out. I'm sure you've already seen this, but definitelly spend some times studying the lighting and textures Rodder used to make his tank so dynamic and aestheticaly delicious :) http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3798 So, basically, nothing new. I've yet to see any updates from you that go beyond this very, very basic shading. But again, good luck
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 24 February 2007 at 4:05pm
	Yeah I guess youre right. I cant seem to get any of what you guys say to sink in. I honestly try. I did the camo by myself, if that means anything. I will try MY hardest to grasp your points. Also, the tanks I show are all drawn from careful study of the vehicle in question. Thanks again. Jack Edited by JackBauer24 - 24 February 2007 at 4:06pm
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grave Commander Joined: 27 November 2019 Online Status: Offline Posts: 127	Posted: 25 February 2007 at 12:14am
	*Originally posted by leel* you mean less saturated, grave :P oh yeah thats what it was :P ive been out of the pixel scene for to long. and when making flash movies you dont hear complicated stuff like that :p
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 21 March 2007 at 7:02am
	Hey guys, Jack here again. Just wondering if my work would look better if I changed all the black lines to dark versions of the various colors I use. This project is my main idea at present. Its gone through some major changes. I will post as soon as possible. Thanks and have a great day! Jack
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PixelSnader Commander Not a troll! Joined: 21 May 2026 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194	Posted: 21 March 2007 at 9:02am
	it definately would. i would even go as far as saying it'd look even better (more realistic) completely without outlines, and only shading
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 21 March 2007 at 9:26am
	woah...without outlines? That is an interesting idea. Hmmm... I dont know if Im quite ready to take that step...perhaps eventually. But I will eliminate unnecessary blacks in my outlines. Thanks alot Snader.
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 24 March 2007 at 11:10am
	Ok, I figure its best to work on one part of the project then move onto the next part of it so I am focusing on the tank. Here is what I got so far. Main thing is I tried a new look for the barrel of the vehicle. Feel free to C+C it. Thanks! Jack
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 24 March 2007 at 1:49pm
	Ok folks, this is what I have got so far. I hope you like it. Also, the clouds are not set in stone. I just wanted a feel for the demo. Jack Edited by JackBauer24 - 24 March 2007 at 1:49pm
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mega-human Seaman Joined: 26 December 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 25	Posted: 28 March 2007 at 9:20pm
	I think everything on it looks good. It has something about it that is just great. I like the people.
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PixelSnader Commander Not a troll! Joined: 21 May 2026 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194	Posted: 29 March 2007 at 4:58am
	there's still no shading , except the tank barrel
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 29 March 2007 at 9:06am
	Ah, so I did achieve what I was aiming for. Now to apply shading to the rest of the tank. Thanks Snader. Jack
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faithsomemore Seaman Joined: 29 March 2007 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2	Posted: 29 March 2007 at 9:41am
	Jack that is seriously cool. Are you going to make it like a platform game or something? Either way id love to see it in action.
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 29 March 2007 at 11:12am
	You know, Im not at present. I like drawing scenes like that. Right now Im trying to learn different methods such as shading. Its definently a disadvantage to have no training in those tools. Hopefully I can improve my stuff to be good enough to post on the gallery. Heh, one can hope. Thanks for the remarks! Update: Jack Edited by JackBauer24 - 10 May 2007 at 5:12pm
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 12 April 2007 at 10:52am
	Ok folks, time for a major update(For me). I still have the shading to do but the scene is really coming together. Hope you all like it. Jack Upate:
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Hapiel Rear Admiral Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266	Posted: 12 April 2007 at 11:06am
	Could not see any, so I checked it, and yes.. there where noo differences...
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 12 April 2007 at 11:44am
	Mmmm....Really? Its different on my end. A whole wackload of stuff. Mainly the men and the church. Thanks for chatting. Jack
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Hapiel Rear Admiral Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266	Posted: 12 April 2007 at 12:17pm
	I copyd the first one to paint, and then putted the second one over it.. doing that 10 times (cntrl + v, del, cntrl +v, del) gives an easy overview what changed.. I did it again, now watchin the men, and the church, but I still do not see any differences.. could you cicle some??? maybe you uploaded the wrong one.. edit: its the same image file.. number one is: http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/files/837/German-Panzers-on-the-prowl.png number two is: http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/files/837/German-Panzers-on-the-prowl.png No difference so you got the wrong file... Edited by Lollige - 12 April 2007 at 12:18pm
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leel Commander Joined: 29 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3001	Posted: 12 April 2007 at 1:04pm
	he probably just edited the file instead of uploading a new one I think the frontalism takes away from the realistic feel.. Edited by leel - 12 April 2007 at 1:05pm
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Twizzler Midshipman Joined: 16 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 82	Posted: 12 April 2007 at 3:19pm
	why are the two buildings on the left destroyed and the two on the right perfect?

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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 13 April 2007 at 6:28am
	I havent destroyed the other house yet. There is damage on the church but it too is not complete. I will continue to work on the piece. Jack
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 20 April 2007 at 12:03pm
	Some work done on the houses. Maybe Im not grasping this correctly. This is my attempt to make my stuff look better. If not, back to the drawing board, heh heh. Here it is. Jack
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Dragen Seaman Joined: 23 April 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 20	Posted: 20 April 2007 at 3:56pm
	Are you using photobucket to host images? I had the same problem a while back, all the changes I made to a picture and re-uploaded, I saw the newer one, but nobody else did.
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 10 May 2007 at 12:18am
	Here is a piece showcasing the tank in question. The overall scene is bigger but I want advice focusing on the tank. Thanks!
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Hapiel Rear Admiral Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266	Posted: 12 May 2007 at 4:26am
	I made an edit.. zoom, watch, watch watch, learn, watch, watch, edit ur own :) I added some dirt.. it was a pretty clean tank...The edits I made are not based on reality, I have no idea what a tank looks like XD
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 13 May 2007 at 11:15am
	Thanks for the advice Lollige. One thing, why did you go over the outlines and what did you do to the camo? Thanks! Jack
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Hapiel Rear Admiral Joined: 30 June 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3266	Posted: 13 May 2007 at 12:30pm
	*Originally posted by JackBauer24* Thanks for the advice Lollige. One thing, why did you go over the outlines and what did you do to the camo? Thanks! Jack I changed the outlines, because they where very good visible now.. and I made them more camoflated.. The camoflation: zoom in and you will see :)
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 13 May 2007 at 12:51pm
	Hmmmm, I see now what you did. Thing is, the lines are visible in references no matter if there is camo or not. Anyhow, here is the latest in the scene I was talking about earlier. Enjoy!
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Serendor Midshipman Joined: 27 February 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 79	Posted: 13 May 2007 at 5:28pm
	The church is nice... I like your authentic tank paintings, its really nice. Been watching your tanks for quite some time, very impresive like the tank in the first post the most though :D
	www.sunbladez.com
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JackBauer24 Commander Joined: 23 March 2017 Online Status: Offline Posts: 113	Posted: 15 May 2007 at 1:53pm
	Serendor, are you...GASP...Suggesting that I switch tanks at this point? Main issue with that is the colors and styles are different. The Panther still has the black outlines, etc. I did want to have it but I felt that it wasnt working for the scene. If you have any ideas that would be of help, let me know. Thanks! Jack Edited by JackBauer24 - 20 May 2007 at 7:34am
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