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spartan_117 Commander Joined: 14 June 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 478	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 6:15am
	jazzed up the lighting. i dont know what to do next.
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cerealkiller54 Seaman Joined: 21 January 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 37	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 12:21pm
	How big should I make an arcade game canvas? I'm probably doing joust.
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Blueberry_pie Rear Admiral Joined: 24 July 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2176	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 12:31pm
	According to klov.com, Joust uses the standard arcade resolution, 336x240.
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Elk Commander Joined: 12 May 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 483	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 12:35pm
	*Originally posted by dogmeat* @Jal: sam and max would be a lot of fun. haha just thought about that while reading the start of the thread xD
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Saint Minor Midshipman Joined: 02 December 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 95	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 4:47pm
	http://www.genesiscollective.com/ShowGames.php This site is great for some genesis games. Every game contains screenshots of the game and titlescreens. I myself can't decide between Golden Axe, Streets Of Rage and TMNT The Hyperstone Heist. Here's a couple of screenshots let me know what you think would be best to do. Streets of Rage: 1/2/3 // TMNT The Hyperstone Heist: Golden Axe:
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AdamPlays Commander Joined: 06 March 2018 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 169	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 4:50pm
	Golden Axe ftw
	And now for something completely different...
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Saint Minor Midshipman Joined: 02 December 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 95	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 5:06pm
	I think it will have to be Golden Axe as the first Streets Of Rage was made in 1991 and TMNT was made in 1992. Luckily I can get away with 1989 for Golden Axe. xD
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Monkey 'o Doom Commander Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 5:30pm
	I knew I should've called Joust sooner. I guess there might end up being duplicates then. I have a small amount of a remake done so far but it might end up fizzling out like all the challenge pieces I've done so far have. D: Oh, and resolution is 292x240 if you're doing the arcade version (I assume there are others). Wikipedia and MAME agree.
	RPG is numberwang.
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Metaru Commander Joined: 03 February 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3305	Posted: 19 September 2007 at 8:21pm
	so people, are you just redoing graphics?
	I ate leel's babies
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skeddles Commander Joined: 08 April 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 636	Posted: 20 September 2007 at 4:44pm
	*Originally posted by cerealkiller54* How big should I make an arcade game canvas? I'm probably doing joust. LOL, I'm doing balloon fight. And Its gonna be a scene. Both of the examples were scenes, the directions say scene, and if we were just supposed to up the graphics, then It would'a said revamp(and/or mockup) Edited by skeddles - 20 September 2007 at 8:18pm

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The B.O.B. Commander Joined: 07 April 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 461	Posted: 21 September 2007 at 4:59am
	Just to be certain, I think that the whole point of this competition is to "REMAKE" a scene, NOT just redo the graphics of a said screenshot. Nothing's been completely set in stone in the rules, but by just redoing graphics for a screenshot, you're actually breaking one of the rules of Pixeljoint....just to clarify... Edited by The B.O.B. - 21 September 2007 at 4:59am
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pmprog Midshipman Joined: 11 May 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 83	Posted: 21 September 2007 at 9:00am
	Here's my first WIP. Please note that the C64 graphics are just temporary place holders so I can design my layout
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Fuzzyleaves Commander Joined: 23 June 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 147	Posted: 21 September 2007 at 4:10pm
	Here we go Pokemon (although i haven't played it before) I have started to make some rocks to outline the water, and making trees and grass next.
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Monkey 'o Doom Commander Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994	Posted: 21 September 2007 at 4:16pm
	*Originally posted by The B.O.B.* Just to be certain, I think that the whole point of this competition is to "REMAKE" a scene, NOT just redo the graphics of a said screenshot. Nothing's been completely set in stone in the rules, but by just redoing graphics for a screenshot, you're actually breaking one of the rules of Pixeljoint....just to clarify... How so? I can understand it's ripping if you merely edit the art of a game some, but if you're not using any of the original pixels (a total overhaul like it should be in a graphical redo) how can it be cited for ripping?
	RPG is numberwang.
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Presley Seaman Joined: 24 April 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6	Posted: 21 September 2007 at 5:14pm
	Bob, I totally agree. I don't even understand why people would redo perfectly good graphics in the same res and style of the old graphics. Also, based on the examples in the first post, I think the intended challenge was creating a scene based on the graphics of the game. Lazies. D:
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Zephiel87 Seaman Joined: 26 June 2007 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9	Posted: 21 September 2007 at 8:50pm
	That's why I was surprised to see so many entries just redoing graphics... it's nice to see some more original entries now. and an update from me:
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Lawrence Commander Joined: 30 June 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 481	Posted: 21 September 2007 at 9:46pm
	Nice lighting there Zephiel
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Metaru Commander Joined: 03 February 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3305	Posted: 22 September 2007 at 12:44am
	remake, don't just redo the graphics... please, it's a remake like here or here or even here?
	I ate leel's babies
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Carnivac Midshipman Joined: 09 April 2021 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97	Posted: 22 September 2007 at 1:14am
	Those aren't remakes. Those are just pictures inspired by the original games. I see the title 'Retro Remake' and I think exactly what the actual site with that name does and that's take an old game and improve on it with modern tech. And as far as I'm concerned almost any screenshot of a game is a 'scene'. That's actually the only reason I even bothered to make some time this week and do one of these challenge things. Just pixelling a general picture based on elements of the original don't interest me, but pixelling looking like an actual playable game, now thats what I like doing. Now ya got me thinking I wasted my time... Edited by Wolverine - 22 September 2007 at 1:15am

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pmprog Midshipman Joined: 11 May 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 83	Posted: 22 September 2007 at 2:15am
	*Originally posted by Presley* Bob, I totally agree. I don't even understand why people would redo perfectly good graphics in the same res and style of the old graphics. Also, based on the examples in the first post, I think the intended challenge was creating a scene based on the graphics of the game. Lazies. D: Just because the canvas size is the same, doesn't mean the res is... C64 in multicolour had doublewide pixels, but with the same canvas and now 32 colours, obvious difference. And as mentioned, style doesn't have to stay the same.
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 22 September 2007 at 7:10am
	Sorry guys, especially Wolverine, the rules this week seem to be unclear as we have two camps of thoughts. I think we should allow both takes on the rules for this and let the voting decide.
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The B.O.B. Commander Joined: 07 April 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 461	Posted: 22 September 2007 at 9:29pm
	*Originally posted by Monkey 'o Doom* How so? I can understand it's ripping if you merely edit the art of a game some, but if you're not using any of the original pixels (a total overhaul like it should be in a graphical redo) how can it be cited for ripping? Actually, that is what I'm driving at. The whole point is to remake a scene from a retro game. However, it seems like some people here are just editing existing screenshots from other games. DO NOT DO THIS. I guess since the rules are unclear, I would think that both mock-ups, and scenes are fine. Just wanted to make it clear that edits of originals are forbidden, and if broken, thou shall be forbidden from the garden of Eden!!!
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greenraven Commander Joined: 08 September 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2598	Posted: 23 September 2007 at 4:47pm
	Megaman remade as a GTA game on the Game Boy. This isn't an edit of an existing screenshot, but with the rules a little hazy, I thought I'd put it here first before submitting.
	"pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Carnivac Midshipman Joined: 09 April 2021 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 97	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 4:17am
	Thanks, Jalonso. I was getting bit worked up there, been very tired so sorry if I came across even a lil aggressive. Now that I'm finished with my piece I'm happy with it whether it rates or not. Is just sorta nice to have an extra piece in my portfolio I didn't have before.

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Metaru Commander Joined: 03 February 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3305	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:06am
	*Originally posted by greenraven* Megaman remade as a GTA game on the Game Boy. This isn't an edit of an existing screenshot, but with the rules a little hazy, I thought I'd put it here first before submitting. that's a palette swap and sprite rip.
	I ate leel's babies
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greenraven Commander Joined: 08 September 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2598	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:30am
	Rip? Not really, I did all of this myself, I just had several screenshots that I was looking at. I thought the whole point was to make it look just like the original.
	"pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Blueberry_pie Rear Admiral Joined: 24 July 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2176	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:39am
	It's supposed to look like a remake: a game ported to a newer system with improved graphics. The rules say "Just make sure it's still the same kind of game!", so you can't turn it into a 'GTA game'.
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Metaru Commander Joined: 03 February 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3305	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 8:43am
	so please, remove it from the challenge.
	I ate leel's babies
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greenraven Commander Joined: 08 September 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2598	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:12am
	Well here's the thing... *Originally posted by administrator* CHALLENGE: Retro Remake Pick a scene from from one of your favourite retro games (preferably from the 80s, think NES/C64) and remake it. If you want, you may also change the graphics style, like Bomberman Act: Zero or Emroca's brilliant rendition of the Mushroom Kingdom. Just make sure it's still the same kind of game! "Pick a scene" "and remake it", "If you want, you may also change the graphic style" See, the way I read that was you can make it look all shiny and pretty with newer graphics or you can make it look as it did in back then. Which is what I did. I thought I was following the rules of the challenge, now I'm not so sure. If people think it should be deleted, then have it deleted. I don't want to start trouble over a trivial misunderstanding.
	"pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Metaru Commander Joined: 03 February 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3305	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:18am
	you said it: Pick as SCENE and REMAKE it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_remake
	I ate leel's babies
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greenraven Commander Joined: 08 September 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2598	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 9:54am
	Right, I also said I don't want to start any trouble over a misunderstanding. Taken from the link you just posted... Also, occasionally games that were originally released only in Japan are remade and re-released in the West, most notably Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, Super Mario Remake, (wiki page) Super Mario Bros. Deluxe Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels was also released on the Game Boy Color as part of Super Mario Bros. Deluxe, under the title of Super Mario Bros. For Super Players. Like the All-Stars version, the player could save the game and continue from the last level played (or any level completed up to that point), not just from the beginning of a world, like in the original. It was compatible with the Game Boy Printer. However, the game did not feature any upgraded visuals (aside from some graphics such as water and lava now being animated rather than static), and since the screen resolution of the Game Boy Color was smaller than the NES, the view distance of the player is reduced. In this version, the worlds are called the Extra Courses, and Worlds 9-D are not included (though they can be accessed with a GameShark). "However, the game did not feature any upgraded visuals" As I've said, if people see fit to delete it, then I won't protest. Other than here and now. Ok, I'm done.
	"pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Blueberry_pie Rear Admiral Joined: 24 July 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2176	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:18am
	So... exactly what point are you trying to make with that post?
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:24am
	Concept Cars People, move on >:(
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Metaru Commander Joined: 03 February 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3305	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:28am
	oh c'mon, so challenge submission allow anything then?
	I ate leel's babies
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 24 September 2007 at 10:31am
	Yes, the PJ staff screwed this challenge. Move on, theres nothing to see here...move along....
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CHALLENGE: Retro Remake

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