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Quote Sabata Replybullet Topic: ISO stuff (building material, movement anim)
    Posted: 11 June 2008 at 11:15am
Well yea... started a pice whit a big fancy house to find out that I never did them... so I decided to make something small first.
Made some wall texture, a door and then combined them, the idea is to make parts like roof, window and then go to harder shapes like round roofs...


This grid is actually whit problems...need to fix that... so yea I want to learn making buildings as fast as possible.

Oh and look what a super grass tile!!! I can do those in 2 min...and that is the best I can do whit grass


Edited by Sabata - 15 June 2008 at 10:21am
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Quote zi-double Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2008 at 1:49pm
colours are in need ... as colour and as contrast ... and for wall and for wood ... also think how will look building with colours of that type - maybe like Eboy. Also door have frame ? I don't see here and now door is like outside the wall.
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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2008 at 5:59pm
Originally posted by zi-double

colours are in need ... as colour and as contrast ... and for wall and for wood ... also think how will look building with colours of that type - maybe like Eboy. Also door have frame ? I don't see here and now door is like outside the wall.


Eboy is not the style I want
Will try to make it good, but about colors this is from where I got them...good old orange brick, maybe I picked the color wrong? Also did a hard contrast shift.


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Quote BlackDragon Replybullet Posted: 11 June 2008 at 6:29pm
 
Well I dunno what to do about the door but I suggest looking at Zi-Double's work for reference.
 
The bricks, on the other hand, I have ideas about. The highlight color should not follow the whole inner outline of the brick, but rather a stronger highlight in the corner and then fade when it spreads. The colors were good but I advise you to create your own. The left side of the brick wall needed a shade between the light and shade. And to complete it, some variation was added in the brick colors like in your reference.
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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2008 at 10:20am
Thank you all for the input. Still trying something whit buildings, learning here and there...nothing to show actually.
Meanwhile a little iso walking animation, its a doll that will have clothes applied so I am trying to make less movement and most possible quality...head still don't work well, any ideas?



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Quote Garrett Replybullet Posted: 15 June 2008 at 11:46am
Regarding the animation, I think the whole body should follow the legs movement, so the head shouldn't move like a pidgeon but make his torso, and with that everything that is joined to, up and down.
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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 16 June 2008 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by Garrett

Regarding the animation, I think the whole body should follow the legs movement, so the head shouldn't move like a pidgeon but make his torso, and with that everything that is joined to, up and down.


pidgeon....

Try on body turn...just head up and down


body and head

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Quote BlackDragon Replybullet Posted: 16 June 2008 at 3:15pm
Cool base! I love the walk animation.
 
The head bob is too exagerated IMO.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 16 June 2008 at 11:16pm
the legs looks promising, but the head and torso should move together, 1 or 2px max.

and you should ditch that head movement, imo. looks like he had a coil for a neck.
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Quote Omegavolt Replybullet Posted: 18 June 2008 at 11:04pm
The head bob youre giving him is actually representative of the movement in the upper body caused by the legs coming together and spreading apart while walking.  What that means is the torso should be 'bobbing' the same distance up and down as the head as it walks.
 
Also, you've drawn everything isometric, except the shoulders and mouth. :(
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Quote Silence Replybullet Posted: 19 June 2008 at 12:54am
I don't really have any crits but I think what's happening so far looks great : ) I can't wait to see how this turns out.
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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 24 June 2008 at 9:12am
I can finally see what do you mean by head and body movement 


Omegavolt mouth is changeable, can place different there..as for shoulders I kinnda thought its nice and made it so, maybe not everyone will like it

Well time for north side....any help on this?


PS:Fixed head size.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 24 June 2008 at 7:03pm
mouth is fine, since the mouth is suposed to be somwhow... 'happy' -or expresive-. a broke iso line there would look somehow... broke.

I know that doesnt make much sense. but it does.
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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2008 at 2:47pm
Originally posted by Metaru

mouth is fine, since the mouth is suposed to be somwhow... 'happy' -or expresive-. a broke iso line there would look somehow... broke.

I know that doesnt make much sense. but it does.



You know, I actually understand what you mean.

Now ne/nw is much more harder took me whole day of revising to reach m likeness....
Any crits? on this one?







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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 07 August 2008 at 9:21am
Here is something I've been working on... there is clearly some non pixel art, like backgrounds... but post of it is pixel made.
Its a user interface... some things are missing (like page count on upper window...just got tiered of placing same thing...)
Well give you comments.



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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 09 August 2008 at 7:11pm
I will offer a word of wisdom for you about iso work.
When you make stuff that has to be combined with other stuff the corners MUST always be a 2-2 line in the edge/corners. I see you have used 3-1 and even 4-1. This can be trouble ;)
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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2008 at 10:02am
Originally posted by jalonso

I will offer a word of wisdom for you about iso work.
When you make stuff that has to be combined with other stuff the corners MUST always be a 2-2 line in the edge/corners. I see you have used 3-1 and even 4-1. This can be trouble ;)


To what exactly are you referring?
Lately I am having problems on deciding how to start all iso... should I start whit 3 pixels on middle and continue 2:1 rate... or should I follow all in 2:1 rate... don't know if get the idea...
By starting whit 3 pixels middle line would look better but this would make me change my whole tiles grid....

Further advice?

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2008 at 11:43am
Well, I say its always best to use 2:1 corners whenever there is the slightest chance that you will need to combine stuff. The 3:1 is, to me, only for isolated iso work never to be used with other items.
On your layout piece with the light blue grid you have 2:1 corners so by making 3:1 corners you'll never match. Its just a safe thing to do for the most part.
I understand that 3:1 corners seem like the better choice but if you look at my iso stuff I never use 3:1 and it doesn't make things off, I find. I will within items alter to 3:1 for centered towers and other details but I remain with overall 2:1.
The other benefit to 2:1 is that in future iso work you can reuse item already made with modifications to create new stuff. This makes the work faster. I actually save everything as lineart in library files for later reuse.
Anyhoo, just advice you are going good.
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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 27 August 2008 at 7:58am
Let me start by thanking Jalonso for the advice...

And now, I've been working on remaking the face of my avatar and came up whit a thing "I" consider better... the only thing I totally dislike the walking animation... actually its almost the same, only change is face, but still I don't like it...is it the ears, eyes or my head spinning from working on it so much?


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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 11 October 2008 at 6:01am
And so I am back...

Finally fixed my walking animation but something still was wrong whit base.... I guess I wanted something more "perfect" in my point of view, so I've made changes on lightning, now its supposed to be up front this way when mirroring highlights should be always ok... an changed body form too, thats where I need advice, do you think that new hands disposition is better?

Top row: Eyes are aligned by 2 pix tall difference.
Bottom row: Eyes are aligned by 1 pix difference.
This is another problem of mine, it looks like all body has 2 pix difference soo eyes should too no?? But I am not sure I like it that way.



And for those wondering my little guys evolution...from first to last.


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Quote Fatalis67 Replybullet Posted: 12 October 2008 at 10:37am
This guy looks too much like a baby imo
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 12 October 2008 at 11:00am
I already messaged you about this.
May as well crit it.

Alright, head is WAY too huge in comparison to body.
Neck is tiny.
I actually think the lines aren't too bad, his left arm is f**ked though.

Wtf, is going on with his stomach and crotch? They seems to fuze.


Edited by Souly - 12 October 2008 at 10:59am

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Quote Sabata Replybullet Posted: 13 October 2008 at 11:42am
So umm, I want a chibi look whit my base, so here what I got so far...



C&C plz

Thanks for your help Souly
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