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   So I'm doing a little nano bat for the fun of it and I can't get the flying quite right. To me this just looks odd. >_< 

Anyone have any suggestions? I've looked at a bat in flight and it wasn't really head on. I'm going for cartoony, but cartoony also has to look semi-realistic, you know?

heeelp. :P 

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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Topic: Bat Animation Posted: 02 May 2006 at 4:07pm
	So I'm doing a little nano bat for the fun of it and I can't get the flying quite right. To me this just looks odd. >_< Anyone have any suggestions? I've looked at a bat in flight and it wasn't really head on. I'm going for cartoony, but cartoony also has to look semi-realistic, you know? heeelp. :P
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Monkey 'o Doom Commander Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994	Posted: 02 May 2006 at 4:35pm
	When you stretch out your arms to fly, you bend your elbows so your hands are parallel to the ground. Do that with this bat. Edit: w and e are too close together. Edited by Monkey 'o Doom
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Bifur Commander Joined: 15 April 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 194	Posted: 02 May 2006 at 4:42pm
	add more movement, like when it opens the wings its this {---0----} when it closes its this [-0-]
	I know! Leafs shouldn't make shadow...
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Psychotic_Carp Commander Joined: 02 April 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1008	Posted: 02 May 2006 at 4:44pm
	?
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Monkey 'o Doom Commander Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994	Posted: 02 May 2006 at 4:45pm
	Looks better, but I'm not sure if that's how they fly or not.
	RPG is numberwang.
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Bifur Commander Joined: 15 April 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 194	Posted: 02 May 2006 at 5:35pm
	i think they fla their wings entirely
	I know! Leafs shouldn't make shadow...
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MurrMan Commander Joined: 19 January 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 177	Posted: 02 May 2006 at 5:52pm
	yeah the whole wing flaps, and you should try to make it partially trunded to the left. and if you are going to give it an out line, it should be red. and the head really shouldn't be that big.
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fil_razorback Commander Joined: 17 December 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 215	Posted: 02 May 2006 at 10:41pm
	Well as far as I know, bats don't fly in a vertical position....Your is seen from bottom?
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Saboteur Commander Joined: 29 January 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 888	Posted: 02 May 2006 at 11:23pm
	haHA! Fil_razorback ftw. and when the wings go down, the body would go up, 'cause the wings would be pushing the body up through the air, as far as I understand. Go look at movies of birds taking flight, maybe.
	"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."
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Bifur Commander Joined: 15 April 2006 Location: Brazil Online Status: Offline Posts: 194	Posted: 03 May 2006 at 2:15pm
	bats fly different as birds , birds slide more in the air isnt it? well i guess it depends..
	I know! Leafs shouldn't make shadow...
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Psychotic_Carp Commander Joined: 02 April 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1008	Posted: 03 May 2006 at 7:13pm
	Its a cartoon image not a real image ya ninnies
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Saboteur Commander Joined: 29 January 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 888	Posted: 03 May 2006 at 8:20pm
	YOU ARE! Semi-realistic means... well... partially realistic, so I figured realism MIIIGHT as well be used as a source. And yes, birds soar, whereas bats glide. I think. I don't honestly know if there's a difference, but I love to ramble too much to not say anything.
	"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."
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Bryan24 Midshipman Joined: 21 September 2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 58	Posted: 06 May 2006 at 8:30pm
	The bat appears to be hovering
	Revive the bannana thread, and keep the pomegrantate thread! P.S.The bannana thread is supposed to not make sense. P.S.S.or dollars
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 07 May 2006 at 4:49pm
	I don't want the bat to look real. If I did, I would have drawn a body and not just a chibi-like head. I'll work on the wings and post when I've updated. But right now it's finals week and I'm in the process of getting my dorm packed up and put into a storage unit so this is going to have to wait a week or so.
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 26 May 2006 at 10:07pm
	Alrighty. UPDATE! ... I'm thinking he looks a bit sporatic? Thoughts?
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Dra_chan Commander Joined: 20 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 628	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 12:03am
	*Originally posted by Aleiav* Alrighty. UPDATE! ... I'm thinking he looks a bit sporatic? Thoughts? I think that's pretty much how bats fly
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Larwick Commander Joined: 18 July 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4015	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 4:09am
	The wings seem to be going in rather than up and down... i found this on the metal slug ripped sprites archive thing and it may help: http://www.mslugdb.com/main/gallery/sprites/critters.html (there's one in the bottom right) Well, i know it's not the best way to reference but yanow.. Tis pretty cool nevertheless, reminds me of the bats in zelda. Edited by Larwick

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alkaline Commander Joined: 25 August 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 868	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 4:51am
	I'm not sure how necessary that detailed animation of a bat is. If it's supposed to be not that realistic, I think it could pass off as a bat flying. You could do it that way but you'd be making the animation more complicated with more frames and more movement and stuff.
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Larwick Commander Joined: 18 July 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4015	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 4:57am
	*Originally posted by alkaline* I'm not sure how necessary that detailed animation of a bat is. If it's supposed to be not that realistic, I think it could pass off as a bat flying. You could do it that way but you'd be making the animation more complicated with more frames and more movement and stuff. Yeah ttrue.

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Skull Commander PJ Pioneer Joined: 03 August 2019 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1521	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 5:56am
	I think.. if the bat is flying, rather than preventing it'self from falling, which it looks like, I think the wings should pan down a little more.

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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 9:30pm
	*Originally posted by Larwick* The wings seem to be going in rather than up and down... i found this on the metal slug ripped sprites archive thing and it may help: http://www.mslugdb.com/main/gallery/sprites/critters.html (there's one in the bottom right) Well, i know it's not the best way to reference but yanow.. Tis pretty cool nevertheless, reminds me of the bats in zelda. ooooo. That's interesting. Taking Skull's comment in mind as well, I may redo the wings completely. He does look like he's just trying to keep up, rather than just flying.
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Psychotic_Carp Commander Joined: 02 April 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1008	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 9:34pm
	Your major problem is that when his wings flap inwards hes going down and not up
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 10:22pm
	I took away some of the cartoonyness. Larwick, you suggestions really helped me with how bats fly, I think. I made it smaller, but I definately like it better now. Further crits?
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Psychotic_Carp Commander Joined: 02 April 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1008	Posted: 27 May 2006 at 11:38pm
	Its still doing the same thing, when his wings go up his body should go down and vice versa. the center of gravity always wants to stay at the same position Edited by Psychotic_Carp
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Skull Commander PJ Pioneer Joined: 03 August 2019 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1521	Posted: 28 May 2006 at 2:50am
	There we go - that looks much better.. super work

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Souly Commander Joined: 13 December 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2451	Posted: 28 May 2006 at 10:59am
	Perfect.
	I am the jesus of PJ.
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 28 May 2006 at 7:07pm
	Thanks. :) I thought it would be much better if his head were smaller. And I fixed the flying discrepancy based on what Psychotic_Carp reccomended. I think I'm finished. :) Edited by Aleiav
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Psychotic_Carp Commander Joined: 02 April 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1008	Posted: 28 May 2006 at 8:11pm
	Looks good ma'am I made this so you could see what flight for a bird was like and for ref for anyone else
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Aleiav Commander Joined: 08 April 2016 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2380	Posted: 29 May 2006 at 6:36pm
	*Originally posted by Psychotic_Carp* Looks good ma'am I made this so you could see what flight for a bird was like and for ref for anyone else Thanks. But keep in mind, birds fly differently than bats, I would think. Since bats are lighter and their wings are shaped differently.
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Dusty Seaman Joined: 10 December 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 39	Posted: 30 May 2006 at 1:43am
	Great work on slow evolution on change from critiques.
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Psychotic_Carp Commander Joined: 02 April 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1008	Posted: 30 May 2006 at 1:07pm
	*Originally posted by Aleiav* Thanks. But keep in mind, birds fly differently than bats, I would think. Since bats are lighter and their wings are shaped differently. Its more of a physics ref.
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