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Quote ShoneGold Replybullet Topic: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA
    Posted: 11 April 2007 at 4:43am

Hello folks,

I haven't introduced myself but I have lurked here for a while, recently signing up as a member...I haven't worked up the courage to say hi until now.

I just wanted to let everyone know that Deviant Art has awarded a piece of pixel art with a DD. Yay!!

Link please.


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Quote ShoneGold Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 6:44am
Yes I know everyone is fed up to the back teeth with the inane comments and lack of constructive criticism at dA but there are a lot of young, talented and potentially excellent pixel artists who if encouraged may well fill your forums with new and interesting artworks.

If there is no education there, the pixel art submission section will remain looking like the trash can in the bedroom of a prepubescent.

So are you going to continue to ignore me or will someone volunteer to take the first swing at me?
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 7:53am
there indeed are talented pixelartists on deviant art, but a lot of them are here allready aswell. there probably are a couple that are only on deviantart, but i'm not one to eat my way through a pile of poop to find a raisin
 
allso, if people from deviantart get encouraged to come here and learn to pixel, who would we see? the people that are good allready?
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Quote ShoneGold Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 8:34am
Thank you for your reply Snader. I appreciate your courtesy.

There is an immense  lack of knowledge at dA amongst the young artists so there is a mountain of crud being called pixel art.

However since posting I realize as best as I can understand it, there is a big political thing going on about  dA  and pixel artists going back to when Jark was fired.

The major pixel artists who were there then sided with Jark, spat the dummy and buggered off, hissing curses at the place.

So now the end result is pixel art is becoming the forgotten lost art except for small enclaves like this one and the one in the next room and the fragmented projects scattered around the place.

So it is now left to rank amateurs  and young kids to try to  fan the flame at dA and create a growing community, who will doubtless find Pixeljoint....

Bloody tragic  but when politics is more important than art...?


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Quote ShoneGold Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 8:40am
However I should add there are some wonderful pixel artists still there presenting their art,  just very few keen to help the new folk as you guys do here.
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 2:26pm
i dont know jack sh*t about the past of deviantart. i've been there for 2 years or something. been pixeling for five i think.. i got into pixelart BECAUSE of these small ''enclaves''. pixelart wont die, it will just be underground, hidden except from those worthy enough to find it.
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Quote Mykola Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 2:42pm
I was on dA before pj but I eventually had to give in.. pj is really the place if I wanna look at what's hot in the game hahah..
pixelation is cool too but its forum-only format is a bit hardcore for a chump like me I rather like neat gallery features and what not.
 
for pixel-only artists dA sucks, its galleries are really flooded with sh*t and I don't browse them anymore.. I only surf thru people's favs and check out artists I know I like.
lol but I'm still there cuz i do different kinds of sh*t.
 
oh and the dd's are REALLY overrated. believe me. I got one for who knows what lol.
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Quote alkaline Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 2:46pm
Pixel art is featured all the time there. well, some of the time. there's someone in charge of DDs for pixel art, as well as another for digital art in general. I have seen dozens of pixel art get featured at DA.

yes, pixel art is pretty underground. it's not something you're just going to try one day, unlike the dominating crafts at DA, which are immensely popular because it's widely seen and practiced there.

so what is your point? you want us to attempt to save the pixel art section? attract more interest?
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Quote Opacus Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 2:51pm
Here, another one right now:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/52628956/?qo=1&qh=special%3Add
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 4:58pm
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Quote ShoneGold Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2007 at 10:00pm
Originally posted by snader

pixelart wont die, it will just be underground, hidden except from those worthy enough to find it.


Yup....I guess this reinforces my point about elitism snader!

Originally posted by Opacus

Here, another one right now:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/52628956/?qo=1&qh=special%3Add


That is an emoticon Opacus, which is not included in the digital art/pixel art section . There is very little pixel art featured in the DDs....probably because there is so little there.

Thank you to everyone else who took the trouble to voice their opinions.

Ensellitis.....care to voice your opinion as to why you feel dA killed pixel art....was it dA or the major pixel artists who did a hair flick and buggered off in high dungeon?


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Quote Hapiel Replybullet Posted: 12 April 2007 at 3:49am
I dont want pixel art to be hidden
I want to become FAMOUS!!!!!!
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Quote Skull Replybullet Posted: 12 April 2007 at 4:32am
Originally posted by Ensellitis



Yeah, I +fav'd that..
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Quote Mykola Replybullet Posted: 12 April 2007 at 5:42am

good luck lollige :D

pixelart ain't the best way to become famous yknow.. and eboy are not hiring lol :D
 
so I suggest you pick up one more hobby or art style, if you're really planning on becoming famous.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 12 April 2007 at 8:19am
Originally posted by ShoneGold


Ensellitis.....care to voice your opinion as to why you feel dA killed pixel art....was it dA or the major pixel artists who did a hair flick and buggered off in high dungeon?




have you browsed the pa gallery there?  there is no moderation there.  when i have to dig through 100 pieces of sh*t like oekaki and retared sprite comics to find one half way decent piece, then i don't.  people see that crap and think its pixel art, so they try doing it as such, and people praise people for their sh*t work...  and the chain reaction continues.

i'll post my non pixel art there, but never my pixels.

and DD's are far from a big deal imo.  they sometimes give them to really sh*tty things, and passing up great art.  there is plenty of pixel art that get dd's, you just rarely see them because of all the sh*t in that gallery.

Originally posted by Lollige

I dont want pixel art to be hidden
I want to become FAMOUS!!!!!!


you better get a different hobby then.  be an artist for the art, not notoriety, otherwise it will show and other artists will hate you for being an attention whore


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Quote Hapiel Replybullet Posted: 12 April 2007 at 8:56am
Originally posted by Mykola

good luck lollige :D

pixelart ain't the best way to become famous yknow.. and eboy are not hiring lol :D
 
so I suggest you pick up one more hobby or art style, if you're really planning on becoming famous.

Well actually I tried lots and lots of things, and im doing pixels now longer than all those things.. so thats the best for me.. for what I tried at least... I want to learn more kinds of digital art, program more stuff, compose some numbers, help alot of people on computer forums, and get very rich :p

@enselittis
well maybe im not a real artist than.. im just some guy who can do pixels :) and about that other people will hate me , ah well I dont know what to say about that... anyway im not an artist like people are who are putting their feelings in it or something... Im just some1 who wants to show that I actually CAN do something... and that I CAN bring pixels, projects etc. to life... and that alot of people compliment me, when they see that its worth a compliment... It may sound very weird, but im some1 very complicated, and I have those needs ..... well that wasnt worth a wink.. whatever.
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Quote OMGFossil Replybullet Posted: 12 April 2007 at 9:08am
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Quote ShoneGold Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2007 at 1:14am
Originally posted by Ensellitis



have you browsed the pa gallery there?  there is no moderation there.  when i have to dig through 100 pieces of sh*t like oekaki and retared sprite comics to find one half way decent piece, then i don't.  people see that crap and think its pixel art, so they try doing it as such, and people praise people for their sh*t work...  and the chain reaction continues.

i'll post my non pixel art there, but never my pixels.

and DD's are far from a big deal imo.  they sometimes give them to really sh*tty things, and passing up great art.  there is plenty of pixel art that get dd's, you just rarely see them because of all the sh*t in that gallery.




Ensellitis I am pleased you still contribute to dA ...what name do you now use on dA  these days? I guess it is in the photography section...?

I would be interested to see how you cope with the "OMG! OH WOW! Let me slide up your f arce"  comments!

Oh yeah, I sift through all the sh!t in the pixel art rubbish bin.  It's bloody hard work.  There is a Catch 22 situation there at the moment. Very few good pixel artists contribute, so garbage takes hold and because of all the  garbage, artists won't contribute.

The solution is about education and critical mass, not abandonment.

As far as moderation is concerned....it is probably up to the artists to haunt the gallery and report non pixel art or ripped art. Only the artists would really know the difference sometimes. It would be a hard job, that is probably why so few are doing it....but there are a few dedicated souls putting in the hard yards.

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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2007 at 1:16am
Originally posted by Mykola

good luck lollige :D

pixelart ain't the best way to become famous yknow.. and eboy are not hiring lol :D
 
so I suggest you pick up one more hobby or art style, if you're really planning on becoming famous.
who in his righteous mind would want to join eboy?
 
but think of this. everything you do affects every other thing you do. pixelart you make influences other artforms. gives them a different style. adds uniqueness. famous.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2007 at 9:42am
Originally posted by ShoneGold



Ensellitis I am pleased you still contribute to dA ...what name do you now use on dA  these days? I guess it is in the photography section...?

I would be interested to see how you cope with the "OMG! OH WOW! Let me slide up your f arce"  comments!

Oh yeah, I sift through all the sh!t in the pixel art rubbish bin.  It's bloody hard work.  There is a Catch 22 situation there at the moment. Very few good pixel artists contribute, so garbage takes hold and because of all the  garbage, artists won't contribute.

The solution is about education and critical mass, not abandonment.

As far as moderation is concerned....it is probably up to the artists to haunt the gallery and report non pixel art or ripped art. Only the artists would really know the difference sometimes. It would be a hard job, that is probably why so few are doing it....but there are a few dedicated souls putting in the hard yards.



wow, yeah, good luck with that...  we have tried to get it cleaned up many many times...  and you know what happens?  lots of wasted work and time, aggravation, and lots of broken promises.  you are barking up a try that is actually a stump.  they dont care about pixel art at da.

i havent posted art on da for about a year.  i post at my own site (lobd because i have control over it.
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Quote Mykola Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2007 at 3:52pm
Originally posted by snader

who in his righteous mind would want to join eboy?
 
but think of this. everything you do affects every other thing you do. pixelart you make influences other artforms. gives them a different style. adds uniqueness. famous.
 
damn right. pixel art gives you advantages over artists not practicing it.. as it gives you not only the unique skills but totally different ways of thinking which the other, NPA artists don't have..
that's one of the million cool things about it, but one I personally might love the most :D
 
that's also why I wrote 2 lollige 'try picking up MORE hobbies' not OTHER hobbies.
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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2007 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Mykola

Originally posted by snader


who in his righteous mind would want to join eboy?

 

but think of this. everything you do affects every other thing you do. pixelart you make influences other artforms. gives them a different style. adds uniqueness. famous.

 

damn right. pixel art gives you advantages over artists not practicing it.. as it gives you not only the unique skills but totally different ways of thinking which the other, NPA artists don't have..

that's one of the million cool things about it, but one I personally might love the most :D

 

that's also why I wrote 2 lollige 'try picking up MORE hobbies' not OTHER hobbies.
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Quote Dra_chan Replybullet Posted: 13 April 2007 at 10:21pm
I have tried to report and report and report and report and nothing happens in DA. I give up. I have PJ after all.
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Quote Hapiel Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2007 at 12:51am
Originally posted by Dra_chan

I have tried to report and report and report and report and nothing happens in DA. I give up. I have PJ after all.

You can better notice the artist than the mods... if I find pixel art thats no pixel, or thats posted in ISO while its NOT, I allways comment on them.... Why should the mods do all that stuff?? Yes I know they are supposed todo so.. but since they arnt, we could atleast try to do such thing ourselves.... Im continuing with posting my art at deviantart
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Quote ShoneGold Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2007 at 2:14am
Thank you all very much for your input and comments. They have been very valuable and I appreciate you taking time to comment.


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Quote Dra_chan Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2007 at 2:20pm
Lollige, there are hundreds of them, I have done that a couple of times but usualy the worst pixels/NPA edits, rips are posted by people that could care less about such things, and get angry if you tell them something (spoiled brats).

Don't get me wrong, I won't leave deviantart or anything, but the ones that should do the job are the mods, not us.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 14 April 2007 at 3:18pm
Originally posted by Lollige


You can better notice the artist than the mods... if I find pixel art thats no pixel, or thats posted in ISO while its NOT, I allways comment on them.... Why should the mods do all that stuff?? Yes I know they are supposed todo so.. but since they arnt, we could atleast try to do such thing ourselves.... Im continuing with posting my art at deviantart


yeah, pixelblink and i tried that, it doesn't work.  people don't care.

MODS are suppose to do that because THEY are MODS, that is what THEY are hired for...  to keep THEIR section clean of crap...  if they aren't going to do their job, then i am not going to post my stuff there, ever.

you all are in a fantasy world if you think the dA community is ever going to take the pixel art world seriously.  they have already tried to remove it several times, and they NEVER moderate it...  sure they remove some npa once in a very rare while... 
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Quote ShoneGold Replybullet Posted: 15 April 2007 at 8:53pm
Originally posted by Ensellitis

Originally posted by Lollige


You can better notice the artist than the mods... if I find pixel art thats no pixel, or thats posted in ISO while its NOT, I allways comment on them.... Why should the mods do all that stuff?? Yes I know they are supposed todo so.. but since they arnt, we could atleast try to do such thing ourselves.... Im continuing with posting my art at deviantart


yeah, pixelblink and i tried that, it doesn't work.  people don't care.

MODS are suppose to do that because THEY are MODS, that is what THEY are hired for...  to keep THEIR section clean of crap...  if they aren't going to do their job, then i am not going to post my stuff there, ever.

you all are in a fantasy world if you think the dA community is ever going to take the pixel art world seriously.  they have already tried to remove it several times, and they NEVER moderate it...  sure they remove some npa once in a very rare while... 


Not that I am a mod at dA nor ever want to be but I have moderated elsewhere.....moderation is hard work and ................VOLUNTARY!!!!

Mods give up their time to make your lives better. If everyone did their bit then it could be cleaned up quickly.

I may be the only voice in the wilderness there but I am not afraid to go out swinging......If you are interested read the bullsh!t here and then scroll down to my comments....Link
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Quote Mykola Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2007 at 1:51am
Hahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ok really I would'nt go into arguments with 10 year old girls at dA, cuz of course they just don't know better. But yeah look at the piece and it's all you need to know about moderation of galleries at dA.
 
And by the way, don't think this exists only in PA galleries out there. I forfeited browsing new stuff at dA for the most part, because frankly a lot of people submit, and a lot of people submit crap.
So I mostly find good dA artists via people's favs and artists i know already.
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2007 at 10:32am
to add to the stupidity of people....
I just checked my account after along time of being off and found a note saying this:

"Hey pixelblink I've seen some of your work and I have to say you are quite the artist.
I was wandering if you would be interested at help make graphics (in pixel art) with the rest of the team on a upcoming game Downtown Minority (www.downtown-minority.com)
There will not be any pay at this time, sorry but we cannot afford to pay anyone at this time.
If you are interested you know where to contact me and I can fill you in on more information.

tha_blue_phoenix@hotmail.com - Is what I am usually on

Thank you, Luk3sta.
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I don't have any art posted up at dA. How can they see my work there and say it's good when there's nothing to see?

DeviantART has definitely become the MySpace of the art world. The pixel art section has only ONE mod, Halfliquid (as far as I know anyways this hasn't changed). I don't think even he's up to the challenge of going through each and every piece of crap that gets posted. It's a crappy job done by someone who barely cares about the art itself in my opinion. He's a good guy, don't get me wrong, but it should be done by more experienced and passionate pixel artists.

I left dA partially because of the politics, the waste of space filled with lackluster scribbles, the large amount of youth with brains the sizes of a peanut, and the slow and sloppy navigation.

There's alot of great artists that post there but I just don't have the time or patience to sift through the cesspool of designs that get submitted.
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Quote ceddo Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2007 at 11:42am
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Quote Skull Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2007 at 12:44pm
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http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/52286461/
period.


My god.. I had to reply to agree with you.
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Quote alkaline Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2007 at 1:46pm
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/53302913/?qo=3&qh=special%3Add

cool daily deviation =^_________^=

anyways i think we've all gotten our own points across enough already.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 17 April 2007 at 3:06pm
silly rabbit.... deviantART is for kids
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Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2007 at 11:16am
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DeviantART has definitely become the MySpace of the art world.
 
That about sums it up. 
 
There are some amazing pixel artists at DA I wish would post here like Paul Robertson and jumpei, but overall I think we've got a great group of talented folks here at PJ. 
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 19 April 2007 at 3:07pm
and the ones who are not talented become talented, like me for example
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Quote Mykola Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2007 at 9:10am
I don't think dA deserves to be dissed outside of its PA problems. I've met LOTS of great talented artists, good people, and even made friends there. Same goes for myspace.
 
I'm on both dA and myspace everyday and I'm not planning on giving up on them at ALL.
 
Yes the kiddies and idiots are everywhere but that don't make the rest of community like that.
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Quote PixelSnader Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2007 at 9:19am

i do myspace and DA as well. but that doesnt mean we should tell everyone on myspace and deviantart about PJ. it'd get cramped in here, making it hard to moditate and costing a lot on serverspace and stuff.


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Quote skeddles Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2007 at 10:31am
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http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/52286461/
period.


I wish I was that good.


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 21 April 2007 at 10:35am
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... im just some guy who can do pixels...


A guy, why have I thought you were a girl all this time...my bad, DUDE
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I like PJ a lot better than DA. DA's community doesn't give enough CC to  help me improve. :3
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Quote Dra_chan Replybullet Posted: 24 April 2007 at 12:43pm
Haha I HAVE to comment on the awesome piece metaru posted. 
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 26 April 2007 at 11:18am
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Quote OMGFossil Replybullet Posted: 26 April 2007 at 2:51pm
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Quote ZeroFive1 Replybullet Posted: 26 April 2007 at 5:00pm
What an astounding capture of... MS paint skills? >.>
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