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    Posted: 30 June 2005 at 11:01am
im working on this and i thoughti wud show u wht i got so far any
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suposed 2 b all wooden then the eyes real

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changed the contrast a bit, added more dithering and some anti
aniliseing for the lines

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ok ive added some more shadeing to the already shaded areas and
shaded some more i havnt done much to the grain yet i will probably
change that at the end when everything has been shaded

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finished shadeing and there are no more black lines.. i jus need to
work on the wood grain now :) lol

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ok iv changed colours a bit any better/worse ne more cnc?

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Quote Claudster Replybullet Posted: 30 June 2005 at 11:16am
Its looking great so far, you did a really great job with the wooden texture. I would give it a more obvious lightsource though.
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Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 30 June 2005 at 12:15pm
Great start with the lineart and base colors.  I would just go more into adding texture like you did with the wood part.
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Quote Rifts Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2005 at 2:46pm
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Quote iSTVAN Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2005 at 5:47pm

Sweet concept and pretty neat lineart. Althought symmetry is one of the big 'no no's in my books, I think you've pulled it off quite well.

Colours look a big bright in places, but you've made a neat start on the dithering. I really the texturing work on the bottom wood section between the blue and pink. But I agree with Claudster that a more obvious could really help this piece, especially in terms of the inside of the mouth and the teeth.

Something about it reminds me of sedge's work- youve impressed me! Personally I think this is the best work I've seen from you Rifts!

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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 1:34am
This certainly looks promising, I especially like the eyes and choise of colours. I did find some minor flaws though. Firstly you said this was as Tiki mask, and even though I know absolutely nothing of Tiki culture, I think a mask is more round on the top and bottom. Could be wrong though. Secondly th wood grain looks a little plain to me. Maybe you could make the lines less... Liney. I know that sounds confusing, so here's an example of what I mean:

Yes, it had to be a penguin. Notice how the grain isn't only vertical. It also has bits where the grain splits into two lines, which is quite common with wood. I have no idea if this depends on the kind of wood you're using, so maybe you've got that right already. Good luck on this, it really has a lot of potential!
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Quote Shark Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 3:53am
Cool!
i love the shading and efect
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Quote Saiklor Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 5:32am
I have to admit, with the tiki mask my first thought wasn't "woodgrain!" it was "flat fur? huh?"

maybe make the grain more like lines that conjoin and exude from each other, like real wood, or something?
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Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 12:13pm
Brian does bring up a good point... the grain isn't always quite so vertical and it does produce long vertial ovals in points.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 02 July 2005 at 11:48pm

As a woodworker, I'd like to poke you with the fact that some wood grains DO go very much vertical.

Most are a little swirly - oak -

This one, being a carving, would be something cheapish, like pine.

See? mostly vertical lines.

Offhand, I can't think of any woods that do what Brian has done. If it were aged and cracked, then yeah.

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Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 1:19am

...the grain isn't always quite so vertical and it does produce long vertial ovals in points.

What are you poking fun at (besides my misspelling)? I didn't say that all wood is like that and no wood in the world is anywhere near perfectly vertical. You completely missed the point by a mile. 

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Quote Ork Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 1:49am
The color and contrast is good. but i would try to get rid of the flattiness by rounding with the darkest colors, which you have used only for antialiasing black lines. maybe even cast very small shadows from nose, eyelids, eyebrows...
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Quote 1ucas Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:15am
quick hint: get rid of the black inlines and the whole thing will instantly gain volume. :)
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Quote Rifts Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 4:50am
i have actualy got rid of some black inlines lol but i canged the
contrast slightly and they r darker now so mayb ill make em lighter
again.

i dont think i will change much with the wood grain, however i might
add a couple of small changes to it, as if u look at the picture sab
posted there are one or 2 lil cranks.
im also gunna add a 6th shade for each colour to see what that does
to it..... i best get work

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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 11:49am
Originally posted by Saboteur

As a woodworker, I'd like to poke you with the fact that some wood grains DO go very much vertical.

Most are a little swirly - oak -

This one, being a carving, would be something cheapish, like pine.

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See? mostly vertical lines.

Offhand, I can't think of any woods that do what Brian has done. If it were aged and cracked, then yeah.


Ok, I admit that I didn't really use references and maybe my 'wood' is kind of unique because of that. I based my wood mostly on what I thought wood could look like, like most people think water is blue. H2O isn't blue, it's transparent!

Back on-topic, I think that the Tiki mask should have any completely straight vertical grain at all. If we take a look at tikimaster.com, it becomes clear that the wood that Tiki people used, doesn't really show this kind of lines. Let us take a look at the following picture:

As we can see, the lines are not completely vertical. Or horizontal, whatever. It does show some bend and swirls, unlike the pine you showed us. (I doubt there would be a lot of pines in the south pacific, don't have a clue about that though)
Now here's one sad fellow showing the woodworking methods the Tikis used for their masks and statues:

As you can see, the grain isn't really visible. I think that's mostly because they changed the texture of it to a bit more rough, but since I have absolutely no experience with woodworking, I'm probably wrong. If you look closely though, you'll see that the grain isn't straight at all. It just looks like one big swirl to me.
Phew, research is harder than I thought! I'll just comment lineart next time.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 12:01pm
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...the grain isn't always quite so vertical and it does produce long vertial ovals in points.

What are you poking fun at (besides my misspelling)? I didn't say that all wood is like that and no wood in the world is anywhere near perfectly vertical. You completely missed the point by a mile. 

Sorry, man. I didn't mean to come off as making fun. And I didn't even notice the misspelling . In my experience, wood grain does go mostly vertical. That's just me, though. There's more than ample room for me to be wrong. And I know about the swirls and stuff.

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Quote sedgemonkey Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 12:41pm

I love that there's a site just for tiki stuff.  Bless the internet and all its obscure sites. Good reference pic there Brian.

Saboteur: Sorry to single your post out... it just seems there's a lot of unnecessary negativity in the forum/gallery lately and it just gets tiresome after awhile.

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Quote Rifts Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:22pm
im chuffed ur all going through this research for me but does it rely
matter... as long as i get it to look like any kind of wood people will
know its wood lol im not going towards makenig something as close
to the real thing as possible.. i just wanna make some art :) art
doesnt have to be exact
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Quote Garage Inc. Replybullet Posted: 03 July 2005 at 2:35pm

Rifts brought up the point I was going to. It is art, it isn't "real." It doesn't have to look like the exact thing.

Brian, you made a penguin, and everyone can tell it's a penguin, but have you ever seen a real penguin made out of wood? (I mean a live penguin). No, you havn't, because it's art. You can use your imagination. It doesn't have to be perfect, which is what I love about art.

So, I think we can drop the discussion about the type of wood that is being used in the tiki mask.

By the way, the mask looks great. I really like it.

For every second spent wondering if you can do something, you could spend 2 seconds doing it.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2005 at 12:06am

Sedge: I can respect that. There was no intended negativity, there was an attempt at what you could call playful banter. Alas, text fails to show emotion well. And the "poke you with" wasn't the wisest word selection on my part.

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Quote Rifts Replybullet Posted: 05 July 2005 at 10:16am
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ok iv changed colours a bit any better/worse ne more cnc?
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