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Quote Hatch Replybullet Topic: Signs of Improvement?
    Posted: 25 June 2007 at 3:12pm
I made this a while back, before I started posting WIPs here:


And here's after, using what I've learned:


Used a much more interesting, contrasty palette, cleaned up some of the glaring anatomy and perspective issues, got rid of my pointless dither, etc.

So I'm posting this to not only get help improving this piece further, but to say thanks to everyone who has helped me improve as much I have already, after only 2 pieces.

So... Thanks!

And... Help!

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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 25 June 2007 at 3:29pm
Wow, you've DEFINITELY improved. :) Excellent work. It's always nice to see people take in what people have suggested.

Are you going to continue to shade the rest like this?
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 25 June 2007 at 3:36pm
Originally posted by Aleiav

Wow, you've DEFINITELY improved. :) Excellent work. It's always nice to see people take in what people have suggested.

Thanks
You've been a great help.

Originally posted by Aleiav

Are you going to continue to shade the rest like this?

I plan to do the part of the robot that you can sort of see here--the neck, the top of the chest, some arms poking into the frame--I probably won't do the whole thing. But who knows? If I have a lot of fun with it I may get ambitious.
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Quote Rodder Replybullet Posted: 25 June 2007 at 4:58pm
That definitely looks like an improvement. If you want to take it further, try adding some backlighting (cause he's so reflective). You could either use your midtone color or add another to the palette, maybe a yellow/orange or another blue?
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Quote eckered Replybullet Posted: 25 June 2007 at 6:13pm

neon green is good too ;)

great improvement so far, looking forward to seeing the rest of this shaded :)
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 25 June 2007 at 7:03pm


Is this what you meant by backlighting? I don't really know what I'm doing
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:05am
Yeah, sort of. Usually it's not the same shade as the image. Look at this for example. The light is purple, not grey.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:08am
Right, but I don't really want to add more colors. I was asking more about where the light is hitting.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:10am
I definitely think that it's an improvement from the original and it's probably backlighting. What I'm referring to is more ambient than backlighting. So no worries. :D
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 26 June 2007 at 10:26am
Originally posted by Aleiav

no worries. :D


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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2007 at 3:30pm


Decided to do a quick sketch of the whole body. I like the tin can torso, not so sure about the limbs, especially the legs.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2007 at 3:51pm
haha!I love the body. Maybe the legs/arms/neck could be pipes?
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2007 at 3:54pm
That's the plan. I'm just not sure about the pose. I'm really miserable at anatomy.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2007 at 4:20pm
The pose looks fine to me.
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Quote Christopher Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2007 at 5:52pm
I actually really like the pose right now.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2007 at 8:03pm


Made a little progress with the line art
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 27 June 2007 at 9:21pm




Started shading. Got rid of black, added orange.

He kind of looks like he could be a mascot for a muffler shop

Going to bed.
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Quote Rodder Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2007 at 12:10am
Reeeeally nice. Such a cool character. And yeah that's what I meant by backlighting. It's perfectly fine to use the same color for it, it's just a different color adds more interest. The pale orange looks good imo.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2007 at 11:54am
Thanks Rodder

I'm not sure how to shade the underside of his jaw. I know it should be partially lit by the backlight, but everything I've tried so far looks... Odd. But of course, just having the flat color is dreadfully boring.

I'll give it another go and post my attempts when I get home, but in the meantime, any pointers?
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2007 at 1:11pm
Maybe some darklights around the crease between the neck and jaw?
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Quote Rodder Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2007 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by Hatch

underside of his jaw. I know it should be partially lit by the backlight, but everything I've tried so far looks... Odd


Well due to it's front-facing (downward) angle, it really would be lit by bouncing light off the floor & his body. Unless either one of those were colored, in which the color would bleed, i'd leave it as one of the metal colors you have now. Maybe just a simple gradient ramp? or you could highlight the edge depending on how reflective you want it to be. I'd just be careful not to make it contrast too much so it doesn't distract from the rest of him.

Here's one of the best references around. Maybe it might be of some help:

http://www.itchy-animation.co.uk/light.htm

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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 28 June 2007 at 6:58pm
I see what you're saying. I'll have another go. Thanks again for the help.

Awesome link, BTW. Instant bookmark.

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Quote K.s Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2007 at 2:54pm
wow that looks awesome, nice job  
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2007 at 4:48pm


Slow shading progress. Avoiding the hands like the plague

Also, I realize that it's unfinshed, but does this look like something that would be gallery-worthy when it's done? I kind of feel like it is, but I can't say in good faith that I'm completely objective
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2007 at 4:56pm
I'd say it is.
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Quote Rodder Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2007 at 5:09pm
Originally posted by Hatch

but does this look like something that would be gallery-worthy when it's done?


Is that a joke? Seriously. This is good stuff.
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Quote mathiusman Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2007 at 7:14pm
I like it!
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 29 June 2007 at 10:31pm
The damn hands are killing me. Here's my best attempt so far:


I can't tell if the perspective or the foreshortening of the near arm works at all. Help!
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Quote ceddo Replybullet Posted: 30 June 2007 at 4:50am
I think the hand you've already done looks great. But in case you were planning on keeping the other hand dark purple, it still looks very WIP-ish.

I think the shadow on the ground would also work better if it was a simple ellipse :)
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 30 June 2007 at 9:26am
Originally posted by ceddo

I think the hand you've already done looks great.


Thanks Ceddo
I'd been staring at it so long I couldn't even see it anymore, if you take my meaning. Looking at it now, after a good night's sleep, I think it might just work.

Originally posted by ceddo

But in case you were planning on keeping the other hand dark purple, it still looks very WIP-ish.

I think the shadow on the ground would also work better if it was a simple ellipse :)


Yes, those are both unfinished. Back to work I go!
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2007 at 9:58am
This character/pixel is awesome! why had I never seen it :/
...and made on a mac too... I shall go and punish myself now.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2007 at 10:33am
Originally posted by jalonso

This character/pixel is awesome! why had I never seen it :/

:O

Thank you jalonso! I've admired your pixels for a long time, so that's a great compliment coming from you...

...and made on a mac too... I shall go and punish myself now.

Potentially dumb question: how did you know I made this on a Mac? I don't recall having mentioned it.

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2007 at 10:40am
I can see your IP and system (mod).
btw, safari is not as good as firefox for PJ/pixel viewing ;)
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2007 at 10:42am
Oh, duh, I knew that was a dumb question.

Firefox is sloooooow on Mac, unfortunately. I'd prefer to use it, I'm just too impatient
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Quote MashPotato Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2007 at 4:05pm
Firefox keeps crashing on my Mac at work I would go back to Safari, but the smilies here don't work in that for some reason... you can see the bind I'm in

Anyhoo, I really like this, great job!
I think the left shine on his jaw could be a little less aligned with the shine on the top portion of his face, to show the jutting of his jaw more.  (Maybe.  I'm really bad at metallic highlights...)
Me being super-nitpicky: perhaps lighten the darkest pixels on the bottom left edge of his body can (where his butt would be )
Looking forward to the finished piece!
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 01 July 2007 at 6:59pm
Thanks for the comments! I'll reevaluate his jaw. You do have a point. It's offset a little, but perhaps not enough.

And yes, the pixels you mentioned do look a little odd. I'll fix them. I love super-nitpicky crits, so keep them coming

And hmm, smilies work fine on my Safari. :shrug:

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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 6:44pm


The far hand is giving me fits. It's too small for me to be able to put any detail into without it looking like a messy smear of pixels. Help!
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Quote PippySaid Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 6:54pm
I think before when the hand was just a silhotte(sp?) it looked better.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 7:13pm
I have to agree
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 7:15pm
I agree as well. That's why I was complaining about it being a messy smear of pixels and asking for help.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 7:26pm
...in the meantime I finally remembered what this reminds me off in 'look and feel' THIS
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 7:32pm
Ooooh, that's awesome! I don't really feel the same vibe as my piece, though. Very cool regardless.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 7:41pm
Anyhow, you don't think it would be a cop out to just go with the silhouette? Would it still be gallery-worthy?

(Sorry for the double post)

EDIT: Typo.

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Quote PippySaid Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 7:43pm
I say make the background transparent keep the sill. and gallery it :)
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 8:04pm
No the sil is great it adds depth.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 04 July 2007 at 8:56pm
If you say so, Mr. Jalonso

Finally submitted it: http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/22483.htm

Thanks everyone for your help! I really learned a lot from this piece and I can't wait to start on a new one.
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Quote CamLit Replybullet Posted: 07 July 2007 at 4:28pm
You could sell that guy as a logo for any metal-ish or auto company I bet for a ton of money. Definitely awesome.
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