Eyes show evidence of NPA tool usage.

thats a lot of colors for the eyes///

Surt

Why the hostility? Is one program, or method of working superior to another? Is this place about elitism? "I work in MSPaint so everyone has to work in MSPaint". I will agree that pixel art needs to be created with a limited palette, and must be pixel perfect in some areas. I will agree that the power of Pixel Art is the ability to portray images and animations in tiny sizes, as well as keeping the bit size down to a bare minimum. I will not claim that one program or process is better than the other. If I did that, then I could demand that everyone did it as hard as I did in 1988 with a limit of 32 colours from a 12 bit palette (16 greyscales) and use Deluxe Paint. Maybe someone else will come in and claim we all use Koalapaint in 8 colour mode.

Anyway surt, back in my DPaint days, I did come up with random gradient areas like those eyes. I did create a palette with more evenly spaced steps in the greys. But even DPaint 5 had a gradient airbrush tool that you could use in a limited palette picture. Times change, and in this future from 1994, we can have gradient airbrush tools instead of scatter airbrush tools.

lil lee. I see seven individual shades in the eyes when three or four would have been enough, and two shades of green in the shirt logo when one would have worked as well. The colour palette can be a cruel mistress, but choose your colours carefully, and she will reward you.

Surt wasn't hostile in the least bit.

He didn't even say that it WAS npa, he pointed out the simple fact that it doesn't look hand pixelled.  Relax and save the rants for the real noob-abuse.

And it's not even about MSPaint elitism.. that just sounds stupid to be honest (omg I'm being hostile, aren't I?) the simple fact remains that no airbrushing tools are allowed on PixelJoint, so make your pixels on any program you want, just do it by hand. 

That does seem to be the case.
That is nonsense. It isn't about how good someone is (you can see all levels of skill in the gallery), but what they do. A raytraced art gallery isn't going to accept pixel art, not because pixel art is inferior, but because it is not raytraced art. There is no judgement on artistic merit, just judgement on validity for the gallery.
PJ isn't a raster art gallery or a game art gallery it is a pixel art gallery and what we call pixel art today and what you called pixel art ten or twenty years ago may well be different things, as appears to be the case.


Edited by surt - 28 December 2007 at 5:21pm

surt

I really hope I never see you compare yourself to people like myself. The originators of Pixel Art. Old school people would take any hack to get more colours. I even used Extra Half Bright modes and Hold And Modify modes occasionally. At no point did we ever chastise anyone for using a four bit palette instead of a five bit palette. For us, it was all about the art, not a one upmanship game of 'strip the life out of my image".

Yes, if I were to put together a team for a game, or a celphone program, lil lee would probably not make the cut. In that case, someone with great artistic ability and the skill to work in four colours would get the job. But if I had to choose between a skilled artist who could not keep the colours to a minimum, and an artist with little artistic skill who could work in four colours, I would hire them both, but the skilled artist would be senior, and the pixel artist would take orders from him.

On raytraced art. You would not cut it in any professional art studio. Take it from someone who has run art departments. The rule is "use the tools to get the job done the best and fastest". When I was much younger, I did do some animations in 3D with full pallets. But I created one in 3D that I spent three weeks hand colouring back to 16 colours. The end result WAS a paletted pixel art animation of approximately 1500 frames. To do the same thing using ONLY Deluxe Paint and a mouse would have taken one animator the best part of a year.

OK dude, we get it. You are awesome and your invention of pixelart goes right next to the wheel (which I invented).
We have our ways, take it or leave it, jeez.

And you are telling me this as a home computer user? Please, get some training and try your hand in a real studio before assuming that you know anything about the artistic process.

I am mainly here, not as an artist, but I was eventually going to ask people what they wanted in a Pixel Art mode of a new art program I am working on. Unfortunately, I am after professionals, or people who have a professional view of their art process. Unless someone more skilled than you are appears soon, I believe my search for professional pixel artists at Pixel Joint may be in vain.

I have been helping beginners while watching for real artists. I am used to helping. Amiga users all helped each other. I even became the president of one of the largest Amiga clubs of all time. Mainly based on how well I helped others. The other reason to help is to gain some credibility here. Unfortunately for the beginners here, I cannot help while others give them incorrect information. Unfortunately for me, I will not lead beginners down the wrong path so I can look good to people who are obviously not professionals.

Oooh look who's getting hostile here.   I am a student in an art college.  I have a lot to learn and I'll be the first to admit it.  At least I'm not claiming to a master in anything.

And don't do around insulting the whole forum.  Obviously we won't be of any help to anyone who's only looking for praise or excuses or whatever else some people who come here might want.  They come here, they should take what they can, if they don't get anything out of it, they should fell free to go elsewhere.