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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Topic: What do you need?
    Posted: 29 April 2008 at 11:23am
I am doing a survey on common needs for services found on the web and I have chosen PJ as one of my test subjects .

My question: What type of online service would you like to have available that is not already present? In other terms, what would today's online community want to have available to them(that is not already present)?

Do I see hands?
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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 29 April 2008 at 9:24pm
Well, it really depends on what kind of site you're going to be making.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 29 April 2008 at 11:54pm
hot chicks.

Moar Girls


Females.


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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 4:25am
...free drugs?

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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 7:03am
look guys, first I am not making a website ( yet)
second I am doing this for a businesses and economics project.
thirdly I chose this subject out of interest and finally....
PLEASE BE SERIOUS!!!
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 2:31pm
I like to think people don't know what they need. If you'd have approached me a few years ago and said "the internets really need a place to host crappy yet humorous home videos" (cough youtube cough) I woulda told you that I'd have no use for it, because I don't and haven't and won't make videos, nor do I know anyone who does/would.

That being said, I think I'd like to see something that combines pixeljoint with facebook's drawing application. Basically, a forum on which you can do digital paintings without opening a program, and a forum in which you wouldn't have to type and could just... handwrite your posts.

And C&C loving, etc.
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 3:48pm
We do need some sort of community-pixelboard thing. That would be totally sweet. If I knew Flash, I would totally set that up.

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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 30 April 2008 at 8:27pm
In other words, an Online MSPaint.
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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 9:36am
that is what pixel artists need. What does the general public need?

I had a response that suggested creating an online (free) office suit, that includes a word processor, data sheet processor, pdf writer, slide shows, flow charts etc. where the user creates them online saves them to his own account and can easily email them without having to go to an email manager and attach it.

Maybe even add a creative suit which could include a sprite editor/animator or maybe even an online photoshop (without the extra unneeded features) and a sound editor.

This is an answer I am looking for.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 10:38am
Originally posted by spartan_117

I had a response that suggested creating an online (free) office suit, that includes a word processor, data sheet processor, pdf writer, slide shows, flow charts etc. where the user creates them online saves them to his own account and can easily email them without having to go to an email manager and attach it.


they call it google docs
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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 10:50am
D'oh.
Back to the drawing board then.
Whips person who suggested the idea.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 10:59am
well, kinda hard to think in something we need. as pixel artist, an aplication as the Online MSpaint suggested above would be great(one that supports multiple users at the same canvas).

or a pixel-friendly image hosting service.

but as a common internet user... quite hard to figure what one would need. i wouldn't say "everything has been made already", but we have tons of youtubes, MMOs, Podcast, Online Application suits, facebooks...

although that's why you're making this survey... now, i believe that we, as a group, have all our needs quite fulfilled. perhaps you should aim your questions to another group(by group i mean by age, social, etc.).

my thoughs about it...
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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 12:07pm
I couldn't agree more metaru, but as  Saboteur said before nobody knows what they need, so that is why I want people to see what might other people need. Before youtube came out nobody really needed it. Funny, people's needs are determined by technology when technology should be determined by their needs. A good business strategy. As you said, their are a lot of MMO's youtubes,facebooks etc. and all of them weren't really needed.
Something I should tell my proff. I think this is the answer he is looking for. But I still have about a week left so the survey is still on. 

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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 12:18pm
I need a hug. :(
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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 12:35pm
oooohhh....
Get a girlfriend....
Wait, I need one too...

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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 12:43pm
I still don't need Youtube, Myspace, or Facebook. I'd be considerably happier without them. Maybe see if you can get rid of them?

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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 12:52pm
MoD, I dunno. I agree with you on Myspace, Facebook is a bit iffy, but Youtube links to pretty much half the videos on the internet, the other half being porn.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 5:21pm
I ne'er said nothin bout pixel art. A forum with no text support and only handwriting/drawing for communicatin' would be cool.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:06pm
Uuh, screw you all. Facebook and YouTube are pretty damn cool. Especially for viewing news tidbits I'm missing and keeping in contact with friends because I'm out of the states.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 01 May 2008 at 8:39pm
I do have a facebook account, and still don't know why.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2008 at 8:47am
It's only annoying if you insist on having 5,000,000 applications. And now with the block application feature, it's nice. :D
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2008 at 11:16am
I couldn't find you met.
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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2008 at 8:44pm
Edit: blah


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 02 May 2008 at 10:29pm
Originally posted by Larwick

I couldn't find you met.

Try looking for my real name.
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Quote l3m0n5 Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 7:17am
which is..........................
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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 8:10am
Metaru Soniku XD
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 8:19am
I did, no exact matches... although i didn't look that hard i guess.
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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 8:21am
Originally posted by Larwick

I did, no exact matches... although i didn't look that hard i guess.


;_; you fail at stalking
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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:27am
Guys I am happy you are all socializing (as if...) but this is a survey for god's sakes not a titty bar ( don't ask how it is related...). Never mind, I will drown my miseries with a game of bioshock (the one I am making...stupid animations).
Go ahead turn this into another off-topic thread.
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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:57am
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ok sorry 117! Didn't mean to contribute to this thread so stupidly, just didn't really know how to respond to this. So I guess I have to write something decent now...D:

I am not 100% sure coming here and asking in a thread is the best way to do this survey . I hope you are asking elsewhere, because simply asking members of a pixel art community isn't going to give you very good perspective on what the entire online community wants. In fact, I think it's not really possible to get consensus on what EVERYONE wants.

First of all you're being extremely vague about what you're asking, if you want relevant information you'd need to hone in on some specific questions and not just some vague statements. One approach would be for you yourself to do some brainstorming and think of some ideas and then ask people what they think of those ideas. Right now, in my opinion, you're asking something that's far too open ended. "What do you want" is harder to answer than "do you want this/ how much do you want this".

Personally I think it's more important to make improvements to current web services. Also as Saboteur said, it's very hard for users to KNOW what they want, especially when we are talking about things that don't actually exist yet.

Anyway, I am sorry to STILL be of no help, but I can't really think of a new service that we really *need*. But if this helps, think about things in real life, pretty much every service or community on the web is in some form a variation of something in real life. So maybe start from there, think of things that are in real life, and think "has this been adapted to the web?", "should it be developed for the web?" etc...

Examples of real life constructs on the web: Facebook - people have been socialising for 1000's of years before facebook, no brainer there, just a new way of doing so. Youtube -  video based communities have been around for ages, years and years ago I used to be part of a film screening group where people would get around and show short films that they had made, so it's not so much a new service as an expansion on old ideas. And Myspace? Well myspace is just crap :P

So once again sorry for not helping much, but I hope I've given you some ideas. Also remember the more people you ask from as many different backgrounds the better. May the powers of Web 2.0 be with you.

ANNNNNNNNNNNNNYWAAAAY back to stalking Metaru ;D


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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 11:23am
Originally posted by spartan_117

titty bar


You just said the magic words for "continue".

Ok, seriously though, it depends on what kind of site you're making. A site for games? For selling things? Wiki? Art? Books? Toys? Weird fetishes? Religious? Scientific? Info man! We need more of it.
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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 12:31pm
@skamocore: Yes I am asking else where or sure.You are right it is vague so I will clarify. What online service (not already existing) will satisfy one of the common needs of a large group of people (ie a community)? Like you said Youtube was made for the film maker community. My aim is a large community like that of youtube. It is hard for me to ask do you want this because I do not know what to ask about, which is the  reason for this survey, to ask for a need , not to ask people whether they want a specific service or not. So in other words, I am looking for an idea for a product and not asking wether the product satisfies everybody.

@greenraven The site is determined by the need.

I will limit the search to social services ( which seems to be the most active).
What can I do for you to give you a good social environment online.

Things to forget about:
-Facebook like sites
-Youtube like sites
-regular chatting services
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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 12:43pm
Oh, ok. I get it now. You want to create something new.

Hmm... that isn't going to be easy then.
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Quote E-Bomb Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 2:44pm
A homework helping website would be very nice.
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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 3:24pm
a website where funny images and serious discussion are fused into one

also, no postcount or fapstats like that
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 5:42pm
Hmm, they're not exactly fused into one, but cracked.com (pointlesswasteoftime) sortof has what you're looking for Brian.
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Quote M.E. Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 10:16pm
Does this exist?

System for getting (commercial) service ON DATE+TIME.

There are many sites where you can search for a plumber
or an electrician. BUT .. you have to call / mail them all to
get an appointment on the day you are available.

Wouldn't it be cool to have all their calenders on-line?

So you can actually create an appointment on the day+time
that you yourself are available?

Some rating system would be helpful so that you know you
can rely on the service actually coming to your door!





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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2008 at 12:05am
that sounds like a very good idea, if such thing hasn't been made yet.

:P

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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2008 at 11:26am
Originally posted by M.E.

Does this exist?

System for getting (commercial) service ON DATE+TIME.

There are many sites where you can search for a plumber
or an electrician. BUT .. you have to call / mail them all to
get an appointment on the day you are available.

Wouldn't it be cool to have all their calenders on-line?

So you can actually create an appointment on the day+time
that you yourself are available?

Some rating system would be helpful so that you know you
can rely on the service actually coming to your door!



M.E that is an awesome idea. Not only is it a great service, bu it would also make big bucks from adds and companies who want to join the database.

How this site could work:
You enter the site for the first time. To be able to use the services, you have to sign up. You write your name, age, telephone, address etc. You can, if in countries were there are no street addresses, you  go to a google maps page and locate your house and then you would give extra info like compound or building name, house/room number etc.
You finished signing up, and you happen to have a leaking pipe. You go to the button that says plumber  and you get a list of the nearest plumbers in your area. You go through each one to see if their schedules and look for the perfect timing. You fill out a form describing your problem and then the schedule block gets booked.  The plumber comes, fixes  the pipe and leaves(with your money of course...or you can pay him online) . You go to the site again and confirm that the plumber came  and then you give him a rating for other people to see.
If you  want to host your service online, you have to do a special registration. With the registration, you get a program which organizes your schedule and allows you to add bookings manually, so people would now if you had a booking that did not occur online. To register your service, an inspector would go make sure the service exists. Users of the site can file a complaint and necessary legal action would be taken(ie beating the plumber up).

What do you guys think?

p.s M.E will be given credit in tiny unseen letters at the very bottom of the site.
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Quote M.E. Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2008 at 12:34pm
Hey Spartan_117,

Just give me a free subscription for all future usage

Since you like the idea I can elaborate on the site since
I have thought about creating it myself, but I like doing
art in my freetime instead!

The point of the site would be that the system is looking
through the plumbers so you don't have to check their schedules
yourself!

This should the system know about the user
Who am I: M.E.
Where am I: My House, My Street on Number in City  

This is what the user will select (maybe from listbox as
the services would be kind of limited -- remember this
isn't an online shop!)

Who do I need: Plumber
For what: Broken Pipe

And the system will check the schedule of all plumbers who
have told that they will service my area AND who have
a running schedule in the system!

In case the service is provided by the supplier (in our case
the plumber) there could be a time-slot for usual broken-pipe
situation. Let us say 2 hour work + transportation time to and from the
house. (In case the schedule of the plumber has information where his
previous location was!)

The user might want to know upfront what it will cost (or an estimate)
Maybe even ability to add it to the search criteria?!?

I wanted to make such a system myself and the
problem is that you have to convince the supplier of
the service to actually update / maintain their schedule!

One solution I have thought is to alert (SMS/E-Mail/Page/
Automatic Call-service) all plumbers in
the area about the request made by an user
and if they had their schedule online it would have been
a job-opportunity for them.  So even if there isn't a
schedule in the system, you might want to trigger the
suppliers to join the system.
In case the user didn't find a service available it would
still be an option to have the request put on some kind
of bulletin board for a service-supplier to be picked up.
(Hence the mailing/sms/paging/automatic call system to
the suppliers in the area of the user.)

In the ideal situation you would charge the supplier
of the service to become a member of the board, but
for the system to work you first need to find suppliers.
So I thought of a one-year free subscription. After that
it will cost them : ...... <- whatever you want :)

Another way of making money is to have this service
made especially for companies that need scheduling.
The way you (the site-owner) can make money is
to get hold of the people who can deliver the service.

I was in the computer education business before and
we had a fulltime scheduler who's job it was to check the
schedules of each contractor who could deliver a specific
course. Check each contractor what he/she was capable
of delivering and match them against the weeks that we
need delivery of certain courses.
The toughest on the job was the ability to re-schedule
an instructor so to make the most effective schedule.
A bit of AI in the on-line system will be possible to do this
as well.

If you want really to make this, I suggest you think
and over-think how to trigger the supplier to actually make
a valid calender /schedule.
The system will fail misserably when the user can't rely
on the information from the on-line system.

If in doubt about the delivery of the service I would suggest
to always allow the user to have his / her request put
on some kind of bulletin board so that the supplier can
reply/react on the request.

Remember: DATE + TIME that is the key issue of the service!
Not just an online database with suppliers, there are enough
'yellow pages' sites in the world!

Kind regards from

M.E.


PS: With a bit of imagination this can work for pixel-artists
as well. Those of us who want to make money with their
skills.
The artist provides a kind of 'service'

Service                                               |  Cost   |  Time to complete
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
32x32px Non-Animated Sprite           | $ 32    |  8 hours

32x32px 8-frame walk animation       | $250   | 7 days


You get the idea .... (maybe get a percentage of the charged
money .. 1 % per deal?)




(edit)PS 2:

For any potential investors reading this:
I can make this system, you just have to hire me!









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Quote spartan_117 Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2008 at 12:59pm
What I want, M.E, is for the user to compare quality/cost of a certain  service. People would rate a service provider according to his performance and whether the cost yielded the quality of service required. Maybe  at  search time, people(as you said) would put cost/service quality as a factor. The reason I also want the user to check the schedules is to see whether their schedule can fit the service supplier's schedule. The schedule will be similar to that of theater booking program. The user clicks on the seats(time frame in our case) to book.

As for the suppliers, thats why I said they should sign up as opposed to signing them up ourselves, because they will have the responsibilities of checking the schedules themselves. Only those who are willing to check and update their schedules should sign up, else we can only provide the directories. But those who do sign up get a bundle to help them organize  their schedules, like sms/email notifications user friendly organizer and schedule editor etc.

If like you said we get 1% per deal, add it to the money made from adds, we would be making a fortune. But the site itself requires a lot of staff to handle servers, complaints, inspections, legal issues etc. Plus you might need an inspection team in every country the service is available. So building the site is one thing and maintaining it is a another.

But on the bright side the users can get their pipes fixed with a couple of clicks of the mouse and some taps of the keyboard as opposed to looking in the yellow pages, making phone calls, asking opinions on the service provider etc.

I think as a starter, I can apply the site for pixel artists only and maybe make set up trials by PJ's artists to look for bugs or ask how the site can be improved.

In the end, it requires a lot of thinking on setting up the service. Maybe even make it a pixel art themed site and get the masses aware of pixel art
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