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Climax
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I have added many avatars to this site for people to use f they like it... Instead what I got was: REASON: Redundancies can really clog the gallery. Rather than submitting many similar pieces separately, submit one piece that showcases them all. This is not to say you cannot resubmit the piece in the future after revising it. We encourage you to participate in our forums which include a Work in Progress (WIP) category. This is a great opportunity to gain knowledge and feedback for your pixel pieces before submitting them for approval on the main site. If you feel this is a mistake please post a FRIENDLY message in the Resources/Support section of the forum and we'd be happy to discuss it with you. Responses to this issue within the gallery site will be ignored. On every single one of them... So if I created these avatars for people to use, how are they going to be able to use it in a bundle?! Seriously? Also, the Audi R8 and the Audi RSQ I created, these two: ![]() ![]() Both are considered not good enough quality for the site... So does that mean I have to make them like everyone else, like this: ![]() This reminds of a pixel art I help a friend of mine make once. It was the NFS:MW BMW M3 GT-R E46, this one: ![]() Then my friend asked me, why won't I make my version of the car? Well, I decided I didn't want to make the MW version, but I did make the car though, here's mine: ![]() So this is mine and his: ![]() ![]() I think both look nice... But mine seems to not be good enough for this site... Meaning I have to be like everyone else and create pixel art that looks the same. Boring. P.S. Just thought I point that out. Edited by Climax - 09 May 2011 at 5:50pm |
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jalonso
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The first 2 cars have CG windows beyond the banding and wheels that are not round. Wheels that are not round in a car you must admit are not of good quality, no? The windows make those 2 pieces NPA (not pixel art).
Using over 900 colors none of your friend's work would be added too. These are NPA. Images made with pixels does not alone make it pixelart. Please do review the pixelart thread HERE for more details about these things. Your last two cars also have NPA bits and that alone is enough. Among the pieces sent back one of the warriors that may possibly be traced from well known fighter sprites contained a huge section of jpeg artifacts in the hair that looked to be left overs from the original image used as base for tracing or ref or whatever happened there. We, do zoom in and look at pixelart on the pixel level. The last thing we want is for you to make stuff that looks like everyone else's. We want you to use the established parameters of pixelart techniques to express yourself in whichever way you choose. I did notice in all your submissions today that there is an overall jump in style in all the pieces, some anime, some KoF types, some cars, Lara Croft, 007 avatars etc. Frankly, there was very little originality and creativity involved from an artistic point of view. Almost nothing I've seen has been truly original in concept or idea. His art and yours do look nice, this is not the point. Don't fight it. Try to understand that we are offering help and want you to participate and join in. It really, really, is about technique. If you can't cross that hurdle you will continuously fall flat on your face. You can't possibly expect PJ or anything you encounter to meet you. You have to meet things in life half way. This will help you in all aspects of your life and make you a far better, cooler and more interesting person... its the most creative thing a person can ever do. Your reward for this is self love, the love from others and its been you that mentioned that exploring love is what you seek. I will give you all the love you need in the form of help and encouragement. You in return, learn to pixel using the right tools. A carpenter is only as good as his tools. Have you ever seen a Jesus cabinet...no right? bad tools and bad techniques I bet. The original Mona Lisa would never get into the the Museum of Modern Art because its crap. It wouldn't get in because its not Modern. The sculpting skills of a Michaelangelo as seen in the statue of David would be rejected in an oil on canvas exhibition because the techniques are all wrong and would not meet the minimum standards of oil painting techniques. The nudity, creativity and everything else is irrelevant in that case. EDIT: Your avatars were not rejected outright. We only asked that you make a sprite sheet. Notice I left SpiderWoman active so you could edit with all of them as one piece. You can use the links in my sig to verify color counts on pixelart. Edited by jalonso - 09 May 2011 at 6:57pm |
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Climax
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"The first 2 cars have CG windows beyond the banding and wheels that are
not round. Wheels that are not round in a car you must admit are not of
good quality, no? The windows make those 2 pieces NPA (not pixel art)."
- Audi R8 = 40 colors. - Audi RS! = 50 colors. - Anything above 255 is not a pixel art, anything below is. Like I said, it is MY version of the car. Meaning I don't want it to look like every pixeled other car out there. The windows were make line by line... it isn't CGed, which I'm sure you think it is. "Your last two cars also have NPA bits and that alone is enough. Among the pieces sent back one of the warriors that may possibly be traced from well known fighter sprites contained a huge section of jpeg artifacts in the hair that looked to be left overs from the original image used as base for tracing or ref or whatever happened there. We, do zoom in and look at pixelart on the pixel level." - Would of like to see that. "The last thing we want is for you to make stuff that looks like everyone else's. We want you to use the established parameters of pixelart techniques to express yourself in whichever way you choose. I did notice in all your submissions today that there is an overall jump in style in all the pieces, some anime, some KoF types, some cars, Lara Croft, 007 avatars etc. Frankly, there was very little originality and creativity involved from an artistic point of view. Almost nothing I've seen has been truly original in concept or idea." - Must be because I create things that already exist. "His art and yours do look nice, this is not the point. Don't fight it. Try to understand that we are offering help and want you to participate and join in. It really, really, is about technique. If you can't cross that hurdle you will continuously fall flat on your face. You can't possibly expect PJ or anything you encounter to meet you. You have to meet things in life half way. This will help you in all aspects of your life and make you a far better, cooler and more interesting person... its the most creative thing a person can ever do. Your reward for this is self love, the love from others and its been you that mentioned that exploring love is what you seek. I will give you all the love you need in the form of help and encouragement. You in return, learn to pixel using the right tools." - I am a teacher at the F.I.U. (Florida State University) and I would like you to guess what I teach... There is a reason I change my style in my pixel art images, I like to try new things, not be traditionally boring. "A carpenter is only as good as his tools. Have you ever seen a Jesus cabinet...no right? bad tools and bad techniques I bet." - My tools is my imagination, and doing things my way, not like others. "The original Mona Lisa would never get into the the Museum of Modern Art because its crap. It wouldn't get in because its not Modern." - It got in there because of the history behind it and the mystery in knowing if she is smiling or serious, not because it looks nice, good, bad, horrible or whatever. "The sculpting skills of a Michelangelo as seen in the statue of David would be rejected in an oil on canvas exhibition because the techniques are all wrong and would not meet the minimum standards of oil painting techniques. The nudity, creativity and everything else is irrelevant in that case." - So in that case, in what exhibition is the Statue Of David placed in then? "The last thing we want is for you to make stuff that looks like everyone else's. We want you to use the established parameters of pixelart techniques to express yourself in whichever way you choose. I did notice in all your submissions today that there is an overall jump in style in all the pieces, some anime, some KoF types, some cars, Lara Croft, 007 avatars etc. Frankly, there was very little originality and creativity involved from an artistic point of view. Almost nothing I've seen has been truly original in concept or idea." - That's practically the options your giving me here. Side note: Are you the only moderator on this site? And... How people going to use ONE of the avatars in a bundle? P.S. I already know what you guys are looking for, and it seems the only hing I will upload at the moment... Since other simpler yet still detailed images in my opinion don't cut it. Edited by Climax - 09 May 2011 at 7:43pm |
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greenraven
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No, jal isn't the only moderator. He's the only one nice enough to still be nice enough after you called him an idiot and insulted his intelligence.
I'm not as nice, neither are the rest of the mods. Rules are rules, and they're going to be enforced regardless of what one person thinks. Try not to spit on the cop when he gives you a ticket. That being said, I agree about the redundancy rule not really applying to your avatars. |
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tanuki
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Originally posted by Climax
Anything above 255 is not a pixel art, anything below is. This is 100% false. Pixel art is about building images at a pixel level, by hand. Attention is payed to both the conservation of pixels and to the conservation of colors. In pixel art there is no need to use more pixels or more colors than needed. The more colors you use the harder it is to manage them. In fact, forcing yourself to use fewer colors promotes greater understanding of colors and their interactions. I have found pixel art to have an environment for the growth of this understanding more so than any other form of art. As I said on some of your submissions, such as the cars, there is nearly an absolute 0 visual difference between the number of colors you used and if you were to cut that number in half. Wasted colors are, to be honest, and sign of lack of skill. It means you weren't able to get a result with a lower color count and so had to add colors, even though that result was actually possible. Improve by understanding color, and practicing with fewer colors. Lately I haven't been using more than 8 colors and I think my pixel art is improving noticeably. To be clear, there is no set limit to how many colors are allowed in pixel art. Pixel art is not about what tools or palettes you use, but about how you use them. Edited by tanuki - 09 May 2011 at 7:35pm |
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Climax
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Originally posted by greenraven No, jal isn't the only moderator. He's the only one nice enough to still be nice enough after you called him an idiot and insulted his intelligence. I noticed that, maybe I should of held the words back. Well, I did make he mistake of saying it, but still. He is nice enough to continue the chat to my understanding, and makes him bigger then me. But I guess I might have not understood everything he was trying to tell me and that's another reason why some things came to be. And on that note, I now understand why one can't post many avatar pixel arts (as in many single avatars) back to back. It floods the Queue and that is not nice for other artist. So on that note, I will create a collection for Marvel, Dc Comics and Street Fighter instead. Now I understand about the avatar flooding and why single goes shouldn't be added, so I'm sorry about that... Rest will come in time. Originally posted by tanuki Originally posted by Climax
Anything above 255 is not a pixel art, anything below is. This is 100% false. Pixel art is about building images at a pixel level, by hand. Attention is payed to both the conservation of pixels and to the conservation of colors. In pixel art there is no need to use more pixels or more colors than needed. The more colors you use the harder it is to manage them. In fact, forcing yourself to use fewer colors promotes greater understanding of colors and their interactions. I have found pixel art to have an environment for the growth of this understanding more so than any other form of art. As I said on some of your submissions, such as the cars, there is nearly an absolute 0 visual difference between the number of colors you used and if you were to cut that number in half. Wasted colors are, to be honest, and sign of lack of skill. It means you weren't able to get a result with a lower color count and so had to add colors, even though that result was actually possible. Improve by understanding color, and practicing with fewer colors. Lately I haven't been using more than 8 colors and I think my pixel art is improving noticeably. To be clear, there is no set limit to how many colors are allowed in pixel art. Pixel art is not about what tools or palettes you use, but about how you use them. I create the cars already knows the colors I'm going to use. If was to remake the cars, I would easily have no more then 5 colors minimum, maximum would be 8 to say the least. But your point as been proven on some parts. The cars are packed with color only in the windows, take that off and you'll see how many colors it really has. Thanks for the insight. Edited by Climax - 09 May 2011 at 7:48pm |
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Climax
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Sorry for the duel post.
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jalonso
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- Audi R8 = 40 colors.
- Audi RS! = 50 colors. I believe you. Pixelling the windows using lines like that is bad technique. Its not the number of colors its more about if the color count is required. - Anything above 255 is not a pixel art, anything below is. Here its you against the world. You are completely wrong. - Would of like to see that. You deleted them so I can't show you. Dig through your harddrive and find the male warrior with a black BG and examine the top oh his head. You simply could not have chosen all those colors manually. - Must be because I create things that already exist. No comment. - I am a teacher at the F.I.U. (Florida State University) and I would like you to guess what I teach... There is a reason I change my style in my pixel art images, I like to try new things, not be traditionally boring. I live in Florida, I know FIU well. Would you like to guess who designs a lot of FIUs branding and marketing including their sport programs? Would you like to guess who's won Addy's for doing so?... Watch yourself or someone could throw the 'Those who can't teach' saying in response....not that I ever would. I would however, guess you teach 'Debating 101' if I had to. - My tools is my imagination, and doing things my way, not like others. As a teacher what do you say to a student who says this to you? My imagination says 1+2= 8 because infinity is the limits of my imagination and I look at things sideways. I do math my way, not like others. - It got in there because of the history behind it and the mystery in knowing if she is smiling or serious, not because it looks nice, good, bad, horrible or whatever. It didn't, and would never get into the MoMA. First, the Louvre would never give it up and second only Modern Art gets in the MoMA. The mystery, smile and whatever have nothing to do with it. Wrong technique. - So in that case, in what exhibition is the Statue Of David placed in then? The sculpture exhibition. - That's practically the options your giving me here. You mean 'opinion'. If so, yes, its all I got. - Side note: Are you the only moderator on this site? No. There are others. I'm on duty so you got stuck with me. I'm sure other Mods would have been very harsh and blunt with you. Lucky for you I'm the good Mod. And... - Who people going to use ONE of the avatars in a bundle? Good point. I'll give you that. I never took them that way because most people here make their own avatars. You did flood us with a gazillion of them and to avoid spamming and not bore the community we only add 5 pieces by any artist per day. EDIT: You are welcome to add them singly with the understanding that they will be added in batches and some may not make it in while others would. I said sheet to be helpful and help the weaker ones. - P.S. I already know what you guys are looking for, and it seems the only hing I will upload at the moment... Since other simpler yet still detailed images in my opinion don't cut it. Have you understood anything I've said here and the earlier adult theme convo... a teacher, huh? Edited by jalonso - 09 May 2011 at 7:54pm |
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Climax
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Originally posted by jalonso - Audi R8 = 40 colors. - Audi RS! = 50 colors. I believe you. Pixelling the windows using lines like that is bad technique. Its not the number of colors its more about if the color count is required. - Anything above 255 is not a pixel art, anything below is. Here its you against the world. You are completely wrong. - Would of like to see that. You deleted them so I can't show you. Dig through your harddrive and find the male warrior with a black BG and examine the top oh his head. You simply could not have chosen all those colors manually. - Must be because I create things that already exist. No comment. - I am a teacher at the F.I.U. (Florida State University) and I would like you to guess what I teach... There is a reason I change my style in my pixel art images, I like to try new things, not be traditionally boring. I live in Florida, I know FIU well. Would you like to guess who designs a lot of FIUs branding and marketing including their sport programs? Would you like to guess who's won Addy's for doing so?... Watch yourself or someone could throw the 'Those who can't teach' saying in response....not that I ever would. I would however, guess you teach 'Debating 101' if I had to. - My tools is my imagination, and doing things my way, not like others. As a teacher what do you say to a student who says this to you? My imagination says 1+2= 8 because infinity is the limits of my imagination and I look at things sideways. I do math my way, not like others. - It got in there because of the history behind it and the mystery in knowing if she is smiling or serious, not because it looks nice, good, bad, horrible or whatever. It didn't, and would never get into the MoMA. First, the Louvre would never give it up and second only Modern Art gets in the MoMA. The mystery, smile and whatever have nothing to do with it. Wrong technique. - So in that case, in what exhibition is the Statue Of David placed in then? The sculpture exhibition. - That's practically the options your giving me here. You mean 'opinion'. If so, yes, its all I got. - Side note: Are you the only moderator on this site? No. There are others. I'm on duty so you got stuck with me. I'm sure other Mods would have been very harsh and blunt with you. Lucky for you I'm the good Mod. And... - Who people going to use ONE of the avatars in a bundle? Good point. I'll give you that. I never took them that way because most people here make their own avatars. You did flood us with a gazillion of them and to avoid spamming and not bore the community we only add 5 pieces by any artist per day. EDIT: You are welcome to add them singly with the understanding that they will be added in batches and some may not make it in while others would. I said sheet to be helpful and help the weaker ones. - P.S. I already know what you guys are looking for, and it seems the only hing I will upload at the moment... Since other simpler yet still detailed images in my opinion don't cut it. Have you understood anything I've said here and the earlier adult theme convo... a teacher, huh? We'll leave it there... I already know what I have to upload to have it approved... And check your PMs when you have the time. |
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jalonso
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I take no insult. Nothing has insulted me here by you. I've faced many a worthy foe on these same topics. Every 60-90 days someone tries to enter the pixel lair to change the 'ways of my people'. I am level 89 with a pillow shaded cape and possess the power of my ancestors in my banded sword of truth. I never fear these quests and with my Damm Dithered Dragon by my side there is very little I fear, for I know most battle techniques. If anything you have insulted yourself. For your efforts and courage I give you an A....no wait double that AA! |
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Climax
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Originally posted by jalonso +1 I take no insult. Nothing has insulted me here by you. I've faced many a worthy foe on these same topics. Every 60-90 days someone tries to enter the pixel lair to change the 'ways of my people'. I am level 89 with a pillow shaded cape and possess the power of my ancestors in my banded sword of truth. I never fear these quests and with my Damm Dithered Dragon by my side there is very little I fear, for I know most battle techniques. If anything you have insulted yourself. For your efforts and courage I give you an A....no wait double that AA! Um... Yeah. |
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greenraven
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What?! 60-90 days?! I'm insulted! I make an effort to piss y'all off no
less than once per week! Credit where credit is due or I start setting
kittens on fire! >:(
edit: Climax, you're not the only one jal had to deal with TODAY. Someone else also called him a cock sucking homo for his helpfulness, and I can only imagine what other things on other days. Let him have some fun and just go with it. ;) |
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cure
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Originally posted by Climax Originally posted by jalonso +1 I take no insult. Nothing has insulted me here by you. I've faced many a worthy foe on these same topics. Every 60-90 days someone tries to enter the pixel lair to change the 'ways of my people'. I am level 89 with a pillow shaded cape and possess the power of my ancestors in my banded sword of truth. I never fear these quests and with my Damm Dithered Dragon by my side there is very little I fear, for I know most battle techniques. If anything you have insulted yourself. For your efforts and courage I give you an A....no wait double that AA! Um... Yeah. the internet equivalent of rolling your eyes at mom and dad |
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Climax
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Originally posted by cure Originally posted by Climax Originally posted by jalonso +1 I take no insult. Nothing has insulted me here by you. I've faced many a worthy foe on these same topics. Every 60-90 days someone tries to enter the pixel lair to change the 'ways of my people'. I am level 89 with a pillow shaded cape and possess the power of my ancestors in my banded sword of truth. I never fear these quests and with my Damm Dithered Dragon by my side there is very little I fear, for I know most battle techniques. If anything you have insulted yourself. For your efforts and courage I give you an A....no wait double that AA! Um... Yeah. the internet equivalent of rolling your eyes at mom and dad (( Actually, it's more like backing away slowly before the mod breaks out in berserker mode)) When I was reading though all his post (last one) I was imagining him as a knight riding a winged-dragon with him holding a sword and all. LOL! But he's cool. Originally posted by greenraven Let him have some fun and just go with it. ;) Good ideal. XD Edited by Climax - 09 May 2011 at 8:38pm |
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KittenMaster
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For me if a screenshot of a game has above 64 colors, it's not pixel art.
RIP Sega Genesis. Edited by KittenMaster - 09 May 2011 at 10:03pm |
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greenraven
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Originally posted by KittenMaster For me if a screenshot of a game has above 64 colors, it's not pixel art. ![]() |
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jeremy
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that is a jpeg.
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greenraven
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Yes, that's why it says there's over 10,000 colors. XD
But Metal Slug DEFINITELY has more than just 64 colors. |
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Climax
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Wasn't Metal Slug a 16-bit game or was it 32? A new free MMO game came out called "Metal Assault" that really resembles that of Metal Slug. I play it every now and then, the games pretty good.
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KittenMaster
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Without looking it up, Metal Slug is probably 16-bit, as Arcade Machines tend to push graphics a lot harder than console counter parts.
Actually looking it up, the processor is listed as 16/32-bit. The arcade machine could display over 4000 colors on the screen at once (though Metal Slug is probably limited to 256 like an SNES or DOS game). |
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greenraven
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So the question becomes are we counting the bits or the colors? Cuz someone specifically said colors.
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Climax
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Originally posted by greenraven So the question becomes are we counting the bits or the colors? Cuz someone specifically said colors. ![]() Bits are colors... It's a lot like Windows and being 16/32/64-Bit. |
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greenraven
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Yes I know, but I'm playing a game of semantics here.
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skamocore
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Yeah, so I'm just going to go ahead and lock this now...
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