Pixel Joint Forum: Mistake

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   I recently tried to post a pixel work of mine. Oddly (very oddly) It
was not accepted and I was told it was not pixel art. How can that be?
I used a pencil tool in MSPaint and placed each pixel (dot by tiny dot)
in place. I know what pixel art.

I also received a rather snippy comment saying that I tried to 'fool'
the site into posting a non pixel work. Why would i sign up for a pixel
art site and not post pixel art, when i have worked in pixel for years?

I am very upset. Perhaps the 'confusion' arose from the fact that at
one point the piece was saved as a JPEG (i make several copies of my
works to save in different folders, since my computer crashed a few
years ago and I lost ALOT of work) and the original BMP was destroyed
in said crash. I was only able to find the file again as stored on an
online image storage site. 

Please, moderators, re think your decision. The piece in question, Aragorn 03, took approxamately 6 hours of dot by dot work.

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TheVC Seaman Joined: 14 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Topic: Mistake Posted: 15 February 2006 at 7:33am
	I recently tried to post a pixel work of mine. Oddly (very oddly) It was not accepted and I was told it was not pixel art. How can that be? I used a pencil tool in MSPaint and placed each pixel (dot by tiny dot) in place. I know what pixel art. I also received a rather snippy comment saying that I tried to 'fool' the site into posting a non pixel work. Why would i sign up for a pixel art site and not post pixel art, when i have worked in pixel for years? I am very upset. Perhaps the 'confusion' arose from the fact that at one point the piece was saved as a JPEG (i make several copies of my works to save in different folders, since my computer crashed a few years ago and I lost ALOT of work) and the original BMP was destroyed in said crash. I was only able to find the file again as stored on an online image storage site. Please, moderators, re think your decision. The piece in question, Aragorn 03, took approxamately 6 hours of dot by dot work.
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 8:34am
	looks like a bad photo color reduction to me.
	Snark, we love yuu.
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TheVC Seaman Joined: 14 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 9:19am
	color reduction? uhm no sorry i did it pixel by pixel. pixel art doesn't HAVE to be in the style of something like Metal Slug, it can be black and white too. but if you really think that go ahead and layer it over the ref photo, see if it matches up. go on. if you doubt me that much....
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TheVC Seaman Joined: 14 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 9:34am
	actually, how can you prove any art submitted here is pixel art? what are your 'definitions' and how can you tell? i'm curious. if someone like me, who has been doing pixel art for YEARS the original way with MSPAINT, pencil tool used dot by dot and no bucket fill, can be accused, twice, of using artificial means, how can you tell with anyone elses art?
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Souly Commander Joined: 13 December 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2451	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 1:31pm
	Stfu, take your complaining somewhere else. It looks like a color reduced image, and to someone who moderates the images they see the same thing we see in it.
	I am the jesus of PJ.
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Monkey 'o Doom Commander Joined: 24 September 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2994	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 1:57pm
	*Originally posted by TheVC's Comment* Do you HAVE to dither to make pixel art? FYI, you did dither.
	RPG is numberwang.
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Souly Commander Joined: 13 December 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2451	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 2:08pm

	I am the jesus of PJ.
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PixelSnader Commander Not a troll! Joined: 05 June 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 2:31pm
	*Originally posted by Monkey 'o Doom* *Originally posted by TheVC's Comment* Do you HAVE to dither to make pixel art? FYI, you did dither. I OBJECT! photoshop dithered oh. from your other works (here and DA) : your dithers need training and your AA is practically nonexistant and your many colour ''pixel arts'' like the queen dude are way muddy
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7sons Seaman Joined: 10 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 30	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 2:37pm
	if u really placed every pixel by hand, why did u place them so awefully? (awefull like the mentioned colourreduction in some dtp-tools just is) there are lots of great examples of well used dither in the gallery.
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alkaline Commander Joined: 25 August 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 868	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 3:26pm
	I don't see why it's that hard to believe that it was pixeled. The only thing I can see is that it got screwed up, even though it's .png. And really? Color reduction? to me it looks like the darkened side of the face (right side) is too wide. I don't think photos can do that.
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Psychotic_Carp Commander Joined: 02 April 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1008	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 4:42pm
	It doesnt look like a color redution to me either
	got game?
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TheVC Seaman Joined: 14 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 6:13pm
	*Originally posted by 7sons* if u really placed every pixel by hand, why did u place them so awefully? (awefull like the mentioned colourreduction in some dtp-tools just is) there are lots of great examples of well used dither in the gallery. mreow. wow excuuuuuuse me for trying, got any perfect work you'd like to show me? *Originally posted by alkaline* I don't see why it's that hard to believe that it was pixeled. The only thing I can see is that it got screwed up, even though it's .png. And really? Color reduction? to me it looks like the darkened side of the face (right side) is too wide. I don't think photos can do that. yup it is abit too wide. hate to have to use my anatomy mistakes to point out the obvious that i didnt color reduce. actually, i have no idea how you would do that anyway, getting this exact effect. *Originally posted by Souly* Stfu, take your complaining somewhere else. It looks like a color reduced image, and to someone who moderates the images they see the same thing we see in it. well you're dead wrong. i didn't color reduce. go look at the ref and tell me if my pixels are dead on. nope. sorry. you're wrong. -- Note from Brian: triple-posting makes me sad. :( Edited by Brian the Great
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Saboteur Commander Joined: 29 January 2018 Online Status: Offline Posts: 888	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 6:43pm
	Look. If hardly anyone believes it's truly pixel art anyhow, then what do you gain by having it in your gallery? Just take the picture, keep it in your archives, treasure what you'd learned by making it, and carry on with life. I'm going to side with the people that are skeptical of this piece's purity, sorry. Then again, I think the piece "Madison Pixelled" isn't handmade, despite the fact that the artist has the skills to do so. Yes. Stop arguing, noone's gonna win. Carry on, make new pixel art, and for sanity's sake, place the pixels less sporadically.
	"I was minding my own business and walking across a pebbled path, and a Duck started giving me the business."
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Psychotic_Carp Commander Joined: 02 April 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1008	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 7:17pm
	If you want to prove yourself your going to have to show more work, this might not be worth it to you but if you want to clear your name its what you have to do.
	got game?
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Di0xygen Commander Joined: 03 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 401	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 8:19pm
	and why the hell is there 93 colors :O edit I highly doubt you have the required godly skills to do that, yet i dont really care, jus out of sheer curiosity i did that little experiment. I did a blur, some noise removal and thats what i got.. it looks pretty detailed and perfect.. all the details in the beard.. --------------------------------------- Also found the original (gotta love google image) Edited by Di0xygen
	c==3
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alkaline Commander Joined: 25 August 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 868	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 8:57pm
	There's definitely some difference, i.e the cheekbone and the mouth
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pixelblink Commander Joined: 19 February 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2865	Posted: 15 February 2006 at 11:10pm
	Alls I gots to say is... prove your worth with everyone here by posting a work in progress in these forums to show how you get to where you're going. Nobody can dispute it then. For now, I'm apathetic to the situation until anything is proven definitely by either side. I do think, however, that the accusations could be toned down a bit and put a bit of diplomacy in your rants guys.
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kwigbo Commander Joined: 18 February 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 346	Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:12am
	I really don't know either way but I agree with pb do a work in progress on the forum. My advice, if you really did it, then ignore the negative comments and just keep pixeling. I love your little panda and look forward to seeing more of your work. Don't let a few negative people chase you away from this community. Just keep trying.

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7sons Seaman Joined: 10 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 30	Posted: 16 February 2006 at 7:45am
	*Originally posted by TheVC* *Originally posted by 7sons* if u really placed every pixel by hand, why did u place them so awefully? (awefull like the mentioned colourreduction in some dtp-tools just is) there are lots of great examples of well used dither in the gallery. mreow. wow excuuuuuuse me for trying, got any perfect work you'd like to show me? i hope u didnt take offense - for dither tuts goto http://www.spriteart.com a nice piece using a handmade dither - http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/8952.htm i hope this helps :)
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TheVC Seaman Joined: 14 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Posted: 17 February 2006 at 5:55am
	*Originally posted by kwigbo* I really don't know either way but I agree with pb do a work in progress on the forum. My advice, if you really did it, then ignore the negative comments and just keep pixeling. I love your little panda and look forward to seeing more of your work. Don't let a few negative people chase you away from this community. Just keep trying. well i will keep pixeling but not here. if this so-called community does nothing but leave nasty comments, doubts validity, and accuses new submitters of using filters than this is not a 'community' in the kinder sense of the world. i was posting here to get real comments and critiques, not bashings. plus after looking at other works and comments on them, this place seems more like a personal bitchings site and doesn't seem focused on pixel art and new explorations of the medium.
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TheVC Seaman Joined: 14 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Posted: 17 February 2006 at 5:58am
	*Originally posted by Di0xygen* and why the hell is there 93 colors :O edit I highly doubt you have the required godly skills to do that, yet i dont really care, jus out of sheer curiosity i did that little experiment. I did a blur, some noise removal and thats what i got.. it looks pretty detailed and perfect.. all the details in the beard.. --------------------------------------- Also found the original (gotta love google image) if you look closer you'll see that the beard is off, it doesnt follow the curve of his cheek as it does in the picture, parts of the hair was way off, so is the armor, his nose, the cleft of his chin and the right side of his face isn't shadowed properly. so fine, doubt me but - do you believe everyone else who posts here posts their art? if you doubt one you must doubt others unless you actually watched them do it and i did use ref, but i didn't cheat by layering over i had a print out.
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TheVC Seaman Joined: 14 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7	Posted: 17 February 2006 at 6:00am
	*Originally posted by snader* *Originally posted by Monkey 'o Doom* *Originally posted by TheVC's Comment* Do you HAVE to dither to make pixel art? FYI, you did dither. I OBJECT! photoshop dithered oh. from your other works (here and DA) : your dithers need training and your AA is practically nonexistant and your many colour ''pixel arts'' like the queen dude are way muddy again, do you have to use bright colors, dithering and AA to make pixel art? the true definition is dot by dot using a 1px pencil tool in a program like MSPaint. thats what i do.
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Shark Commander a.k.a. Feron Joined: 02 July 2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2136	Posted: 17 February 2006 at 6:15am
	look, if the admin on this site didnt accept it then its not accepted, get over it, move on. Im sure you will find this IS a great community if you show us more work, perhaps post in the wip section for comments. Just because one of you pieces recived bad feedback, take it like a man and prove people wrong. i hope you stay in this community, why not make a new start and show us some of your other works
	Snark, we love yuu.
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PixelSnader Commander Not a troll! Joined: 05 June 2014 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3194	Posted: 17 February 2006 at 8:19am
	*Originally posted by TheVC* again, do you have to use bright colors, dithering and AA to make pixel art? the true definition is dot by dot using a 1px pencil tool in a program like MSPaint. thats what i do. i never said that you had to use bright colours. i said that the colouring was muddy. muddy as in it looks blurred, unsharp. and you show a lot of inconsistency in your works( i'm not talking about differences between works, i mean inconsistency in 1 work) in stuff like shading (sometimes real, sometimes extreme contrast, sometimes pillowshaded) and detail. no, it's not neccesary to use AA dithering and bright colours. i often use simple flat colours (points at avvy) the point is to use every pixel to the fullest, its doent mean it has to be done one pixel at a time, or in mspaint. just, no automated photoshop brushes and filter stuff. and as a last thing: after comparing the 2, it kind of convinced me that yours is pixelart. but a few notes: the dithering pattern you used looks VERY much like some sort of error diffusion, rather then handmade dithers. i'm not telling you to use the same (pretty boring actually) dither type i use, but you could try something like this. i think you could've made a better use of white, in the forehead for instance and on the armor. i'll give you an edit to show what i mean
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