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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Topic: Evil hat
    Posted: 29 September 2007 at 6:53pm
Here's an evil hat I made when I was board, please critique.


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 29 September 2007 at 10:17pm
how do you put this... thing on your head?
yep! we got another Skull
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 29 September 2007 at 11:44pm
Like this:






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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 30 September 2007 at 1:51am
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 30 September 2007 at 6:43am
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Quote Doomcreator0 Replybullet Posted: 30 September 2007 at 7:37am

Um? What was that link for? But yeah, I guess it's OK if it's a hat.

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Quote MashPotato Replybullet Posted: 30 September 2007 at 9:54am
I think you need some more clear definition within the hat, as I'm finding it a bit difficult to read... for example, (what I think is) the brim is fading into the top of the hat rather than having a distinct fold, making it hard to define the shape you want.
It's a neat start, keep at it!
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 5:45am
Kay, this any better?

 

I tried what you said, also tried to make the visser look more visser-like.


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:47am
do NOT use photobucket for your pixels, as it automatically converts your image to JPEG. I recomend you www.Imageshack.us.

also, try to add more volume to that visser, so it would not look as if it was made of paper.
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 11:21am
Originally posted by Metaru

do NOT use photobucket for your pixels, as it automatically converts your image to JPEG.


What? No it doesn't. I use photobucket all the time... silly boy.

About the hat: it doesn't look like one. It doesn't really look like anything.


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 12:33pm
he's uploading BMPs
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by Metaru

do NOT use photobucket for your pixels, as it automatically converts your image to JPEG. I recomend you www.Imageshack.us.

also, try to add more volume to that visser, so it would not look as if it was made of paper.


I know, I just use Photobucket those few times because Imageshack was having problems, here's a non-Jpeged one:



I will edit the visser later, I got to do mah' homework now... T_T
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Quote Doomcreator0 Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 2:54pm
Photobucket only JPGS .bmp images. If you save them as .png. They stay .png.
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Quote Squirrelsquid Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 4:00pm
Originally posted by Doomcreator0

Photobucket only JPGS .bmp images. If you save them as .png. They stay .png.


...and Photobucket is fine with .gif too. never had problems with it...

regarding the piece:
It's pretty hard to imagine where exactly the head would fit in.
I'd work out a circular shape that clearly fits on you every-day human head.


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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 4:18pm
Yeah, I hear ya', I'll do that. XD
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 6:35pm
Update:



I made the hat more "Hat shaped" and I inproved on the shaiding, what do ya' think?
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 6:48pm
What are those red things? Why is the red so saturated? Why have you not cleaned the edges of the bill?
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 6:52pm
1) donno

2)

3) I don't quite know how to with out it ending up looking flat...
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:05pm
THIS what you want?:




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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:05pm
making a quick show and tell, brb
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:06pm
Uhhh... ok... XD
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:22pm


#1-yours
#2- The lineart I mentioned being dirty in pink. I also recolored the rest of that line using greys instead of the black. Desaturated the reds here too. You have too many reds there, btw. 2 at least are not needed.
#3+4- cap with a tail thing. Your cap is actually ok except for the pink line where your line there is actually opposite to it. I suggest changing this so it 'looks' like a hat. Use this yellow part of the hat to make more sense of the red things, whatever they may be.


ps: the dithering when zoomed is actually pretty good. Some areas show skill. I was surprised by this for some reason. Good job.

EDIT: #2 also has some added contrast to the grey color ramp


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Quote l3m0n5 Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:41am
oh there it is, another one of jalonso's SUPER critique posts, dunno how u have time to make these kinda posts but anwho back on topic, if u plan to sort of re-vamp the hat to fit the shape of a real hat like that in jal's post then i think the eyes of the "skull" might be a lilttle lopsided, could just be me though...
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:25am
@l3m0n5-thx for the new siggy :p

*I'm making another edit right now, actually XD
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 9:59am
at last, i'm out of there.
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 2:53pm
@ jalonso :

Thank you for showing me how to do the bill, I wasn't quite sure how.

PS.: your picture REALLY helps, thanks a bunch!
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 4:37pm


This good? :s
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 4:53pm
It's looking better all the time.
The flap/thing just doesn't look right, at all.
Please, please, once and for all, explain what that is?
why is it there?
why is it needed?
Couldnt red eyes compensate?
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 4:57pm
^^; Howz about I take the flaps away, and replace them with it crying blood from the eyes?
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:00pm
I would first refine the lightsource on the hat. before taking another step.
A good opportunity to smooth (aa or selout or combo) your edges.
This won't look good on a BG and if you aren't aware I let nothing in with uselss BGs, ya know.


E: You didn't answer


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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:07pm
Wah? oh, I'll edit the lightsource to, I'm ceeping the blood tears though. XD

Edit: I'm watching AMV hell 3 rite now, so I'm a bit destracted.


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:22pm
*adds the red 'thangs' to the list of PJ mysteries never to be solved 
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:51pm
Xp yeah.

This good?


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:05pm
Too much flow.
You'd have to figure absorbsion would take place since you do not
have a slick surface (told you to figure out the lightsource, didn't I).
Right side blood to the bill with the right eye just beginning to flow, I'd say.
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:19pm
Well... what if it's made of leather? (I did edit the lightsourse a bit, just not that much, I didn't know were to change it) XD
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:31pm
then EXPLAIN that you ... ehm... """"""hat""""" is made of leather.
also, leather, spandex or mithril, it doesn't matter the material, the blood should follow laws of gravity and flow. if its on a surface, the blood should make a little pond below the """"hat""". if not, well, figure it out.
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:31pm


Edit: -_-; you know how, on a sorta' rainy day, the rain drops cling to the edges of your unbrella befor falling down? that's kinda' what I was trying to do


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Quote MashPotato Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:35pm
It's improved greatly from your first attempt, nice work   I think there's too much blood on the brim; for example, how is the blood flowing upward so much?  For the lightsource issue, i think more shadow could be added to the cap portion to our left; notice how the brim is in shadow at that point, but the light on the cap seems to go much further.  I'm not great at lighting, but it seems a bit off there.

EDIT: written before the edit


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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:39pm
Sorry, don't see it, could you mabe point to it please? 
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:41pm
*goes to make an edit/sample.
**because you are really trying :)
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:42pm
lol, thanks Xp
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Quote MashPotato Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:46pm
Quick edit to show you what I mean:


EDIT: updated


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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:54pm
Ah, I see it now. I willz fix it now, thanks! =D
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:55pm
oh noes, I've been mashed 



So very quick and rough because I want you to figure it out.
I did first lightsource
Secondary, if you feel brave ; )
And gravity blood flow. I may be slightly off.


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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:03pm
XD Thanks, I'll do the lighting

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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:22pm

>>>

Oh my!
Now AA them thar edges.
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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:27pm
What's AA? *Prepares myself to be bricked*
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:39pm
AA = anti-alias
A technique used on the edges of pixelart to smooth jaggy areas.

sample of AA - zoom and look at the blue flames on the edges notice how where there are steps in jaggies the colors go from dark to light colors.


Of course you can choose to,
SelOut =Selective Outlining
Zoom in and notice how the lineart is colored using different shades wher needed to smooth the edges as much as possible.


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Quote Skull Master Replybullet Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:53pm
Like this???

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