BR 52 locomotive
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Printed Date: 11 September 2025 at 5:12am
Topic: BR 52 locomotive
Posted By: JackBauer24
Subject: BR 52 locomotive
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 11:36am
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Hello again folks. This train is what I have been working on for a while now. I am wondering what would be the best way to make this locomotive look its finest? If anyone has any tips, let me know. Thanks again and heres a link: http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/AgentJackBauer/Locomotive.png |
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Posted By: Blueberry_pie
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 12:32pm
And here's the actual image: Click the  button to include images in your posts.The image looks like it was a jpg saved again later as a png... it's quite blurry and there seem to be some artifacts. I think you might want to fix that first. ------------- |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 3:24pm
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Uh, I dont think so. I save all my final work as a png file...Always. Its been 100% png from start to finish. So I dont know what to say. Its crystal clear on my end. I think that I have found the culprit. For some reason some of my work gets jpg-ied when I post them on photobucket. Not all but some...Any ideas?? Jon |
Posted By: Blick
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 3:45pm
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Use .gif format or a different image host. ------------- http://punaji.com/"> 
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 3:57pm
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I want another host. I need something that can handle 2000x2000 max pixels...This stuff is big. Thanks! Jon |
Posted By: Ensellitis
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 4:05pm
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my http://imagehost.ensellitis.com - image host can do that, as long as the image is under 70kb and is pixel art
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 4:53pm
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mmm...Wont work for me. I do bigger stuff and right now for what I want, I am looking at 700kb at least. Thanks anyways! I will keep looking. Either that or just show friends, etc the pics on my system. Jack |
Posted By: Souly
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 4:59pm
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Well if you saved them as a gif, they'd be smaller. :/
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 5:10pm
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Tried it and man did it look downright terrible. It also noted that there would be data loss...so I guess png and another host will have to surfice. Jon |
Posted By: PixelSnader
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 5:47pm
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 5:56pm
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*shakes head* Uh, commander Snader. They are round. Image got messed up over at PB. Here is what it looks like (san tender) so I think its size related: Jack |
Posted By: Blick
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 6:02pm
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If you're using less than 256 colors and a decent gif conversion program, you should have no data loss, artifacts, wasted bytes et cetera. And what kind of image are you making that needs 700kb? Jesus... ------------- http://punaji.com/">
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 6:11pm
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Heh, its a honkin big scene of a German transport train during WWII. There are at present one locomotive, tender, and two flatcar bearing tanks. I use Photoshop for compiling...MS Paint for drawing. Thats my style. I am using XP...and PS CS2.... Jon |
Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 6:19pm
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Imageshack or Photobucket should be able to cope with 700KB images. The thing is, as Blick said, you need a decent gif conversion program in order to save your images as gif's without loss of quality. I imagine you're using MSPaint to save as gif, which really should never be done.
I believe if you try to upload as bitmap it will convert that to a jpg. Perhaps if the png image is too large it may convert it to a jpg... but generally saving as a png should be fine.
Okay so, they look like pretty decent lines. Get rid of the auto-AA'd text for a start. Then i'd research plenty of reference images for trains such as this, get a feel for how light reflects off of the surfaces and what kind of textures there are, or details..etc.
It seems like quite a large and serious piece to be doing if you're new to pixel art - it may be advisable to start small to build up your abilities before you begin something so large. I can imagine loads of people would find this hard to do, including myself.
Neway, good luck. -------------  http://larw-ck.deviantart.com">
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Posted By: Ensellitis
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 6:24pm
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Originally posted by JackBauer24 *shakes head* Uh, commander Snader. They are round. Image got messed up over at PB. you are not impressing me with your attitude so far. instead of saying all that, and what you said to blueberry, you could have said "they are, pb messed it up." anyways... if you are going to make something like this using pixel art, it should all be pixel art. the text and some of the shading is obviously not pixel art, and it takes away from the peice ------------- There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 6:32pm
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I am sorry for my frustion. It is at present time 100% pixel art... I have not used anything to enhance it. Ok, the number isnt...I can change that too. In actual fact, the main reason I signed up, and posted was that I could delve into some creative brains and learn a thing or too. I stand by the very first question. Thank you. Jack |
Posted By: Ensellitis
Date Posted: 20 October 2006 at 6:48pm
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ok... well for one... you are using way too many colors. especially with this being so big, you are going to want to keep the color count as low as possible... right now it is at 64 colors... you could easily cut that down to as few as a dozen. here is a quick edit i did...   and yours below it... not much of a difference... watch you colors, reuse them, dither them lightly to create shades. less is more. ------------- There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 1:35am
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So there are two reds, a black and two grays. What other colors am I missing? Also, why are there pixels within the gray areas? Thanks again and sorry for sounding mad. Jack |
Posted By: PixelSnader
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 1:52am
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well your picture uses auto AAed font for instance, which adds a diozen colours ------------- ▄▄█ ▄▄█ ▄█▄ ▄█▄ |
Posted By: Yar
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 3:29am
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Originally posted by JackBauer24 Hello again folks. This train is what I have been working on for a while now. I am wondering what would be the best way to make this locomotive look its finest? Well, I'm no expert, but...I think one question you hafta decide is whether you're creating a technical drawing or an artistic one, and, if both, which of the two aspects is more important to you. Right now, you've got little to no depth, which is fine for a technical drawing/schematic, but isn't often skipped in artistic representations. The depth that you're missing (IMHO) is any sort of light sources and shading. The way shadows strike and roll over an object gives the viewer's brain some clue as to the distances of objects relative to other objects. It's also a visual clue as to the angles of planes that make up an objects. It's up to you to pick where your lightsources would look best and how those lights would cast shadows from one element of the train onto another (the shadows of spokes onto the belly of the train, for instance). Another thing you may want to add is texture, which can suggest material composition, weathering and age. I'm assuming here (because you've come so far already) that a change in perspective is out. You have obviously done a lot of homework and painstakingly reproduced the details on this train. Keep up the good work! |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 3:39am
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Man, thats exactly what I was looking for. At the moment, I have it hauling two flatcars bearing a Panzer IV and a Tiger I. I do want to have shadows and such but I feel that at present until I have corrected each and every detail, if I add shadow, it would become harder to edit if I find a mistake. Any way around that problem? As for the two styles, I want realistic as it will be in a scene somewhere during the war. Thanks for the tips. Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 4:03am
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Originally posted by Larwick Imageshack or Photobucket should be able to cope with 700KB images. The thing is, as Blick said, you need a decent gif conversion program in order to save your images as gif's without loss of quality. I imagine you're using MSPaint to save as gif, which really should never be done. I believe if you try to upload as bitmap it will convert that to a jpg. Perhaps if the png image is too large it may convert it to a jpg... but generally saving as a png should be fine.
Okay so, they look like pretty decent lines. Get rid of the auto-AA'd text for a start. Then i'd research plenty of reference images for trains such as this, get a feel for how light reflects off of the surfaces and what kind of textures there are, or details..etc.
It seems like quite a large and serious piece to be doing if you're new to pixel art - it may be advisable to start small to build up your abilities before you begin something so large. I can imagine loads of people would find this hard to do, including myself.
Neway, good luck. I wouldnt say I am new to it, just that what I do is drawing on the computer just because I like to draw. I generally stick to WWII armor. I am the first to admit my stuff is not on par with most on this site. Then again I prefere not to compare theirs and mine. I like WWII German armor and this is a step in another direction. True it is still German but its a train. How my learning has expanded is like so. My earliest version of the Tiger I tank was nothing short but crap. But at the time I was like "WOW, look mom and dad!" I still have those moments today but mostly because I am a perfectionist. So being new to pixel art may be inaccurate, more like new to the concept of shadows, stuff like that. Another thing about the conversion program choice. Is not Photoshop CS 2 not good enough? I save in the png format both in WinXP MS paint and photoshop. I have have nailed down the problems with Photobucket as my images fall beyond the free user privilages. This problem will have to be dealt with some other way. Thanks again for the tips and such. I am a willing learner(of new ideas). Jack |
Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 5:29am
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Okay no worries, i just thought i'd say that incase, i didn't really know anything about your experience. ------------- http://larw-ck.deviantart.com">
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 22 October 2006 at 6:54am
Here is what I have so far. I know its not great but Im not good with shadows. Hard to nail down which areas to have shadows...So far I just did the lower sections. Feel free to show me my errors. Thanks. Here is the loco: Thanks again! Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 28 October 2006 at 6:59am
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Ok I added some more stuff but its too big to show. If anyone out here knows of a way for me to make the boiler look round without cheating with photoshop gradients, can you let me know? Thanks alot! Jack |
Posted By: PixelSnader
Date Posted: 28 October 2006 at 7:03am
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you could use https://palmer-pursuit.com/ecom/images/ht.jpg - https://palmer-pursuit.com/ecom/images/ht.jpg as a reference, as you can see its not a perfectly gradiated photoshop, but it does kind of consist of light and darker lines, maybe you can do something with that? ------------- ▄▄█ ▄▄█ ▄█▄ ▄█▄ |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 28 October 2006 at 11:10pm
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Thanks for the link. Unfortunently, I don't think that this will help. Oh well, thanks anyways. Could there be a way to do it just by doing it line by line? Thanks again. Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 9:41am
Hey guys, I decided to take a break from the train in order to work on the figures that will be in the scene. This is my attempt at doing a human body. Does it look alright, and if not, what do I need to do to fix it? Thanks! Oh and by the way, the train looks different now. ciao! Jack |
Posted By: Pieface
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 10:17am
| Woah what is with his legs, they are like super large at the top and then it looks like someone chopped off the bottom part |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 10:22am
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The figure looks good. I would make the feet just a little bit bigger to balance out the pants a bit. Maybe a bit of shadowing on the pants so that the flaps don't look so flat. ps: the train is looking good in camo. I don't like the pattern overlaid in a flat like that. I think you really need to break the pattern as it goes over each unit. ------------- |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 11:11am
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Ok, what exactly do you mean by breaking it up? Also, there is an issue with using the men I have in mind. The problem is that they are too tall. There is no way that he could fit inside the train. How do I draw people for the train, yet not lose alot of detail, without redoing the train? Thanks again for the tips on the fig. Jack |
Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 12:53pm
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Originally posted by Pieface
Woah what is with his legs, they are like super large at the top and then it looks like someone chopped off the bottom part It's the uniform. Don't crit unless you know the facts. ------------- http://larw-ck.deviantart.com">
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 1:34pm
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Whatever I try, the body doesnt look right. I tried working with his arms, then his legs...etc. Its hard and I have alot of respect for the artists that do the human form, etc. Jack |
Posted By: Pieface
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 1:52pm
Well i do accept its my mistake but as you said i did not know the uniform so it looked strange to me
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 31 October 2006 at 8:00pm
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What happened to the camouflage patterned train? I'll make a little edit to show you what I mean.
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 01 November 2006 at 6:46am
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Ok, that would help me alot. Thanks a million. As for the officer/soldiers, I tend to use the same basic human figure for all the different troops. I just alter each one a bit. Some shorter, some taller...etc. I know that some details at the scale is as far as I know impossible to do, such as ears. Thanks again and keep the tips flowing lol. I hope that I can bring useful tips to the table one of these days. Ciao! Jack Here is the locomotive: |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 7:02am
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Man am I having a heck of a time getting these soldiers accurate and to scale. I am tempted to leave them out. Oh well, better keep trying to figure it out. Jack |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 November 2006 at 9:52am
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I have not forgotten you. I will make an edit for you in the next day or two. I will also try to figure out your scale issue with the figures.
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Posted By: chess
Date Posted: 03 November 2006 at 7:58am
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great! with a well done shading it will look very good!
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 03 November 2006 at 2:06pm
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I did not find that making your sprite match the scale the train (I love it, btw) limits it from being quite detailed if you want it to be. I would think redrawing the sprites is easier than remaking the train. What I meant about the camo pattern was that you simply overlaid it flat over the whole train. My example is also placed over it but I shifted the pattern up/down/sideways whenever it touched a different plane on the train. It gives you some depth even without any shading/detailing. The third view just shows some rough way of adding interest to the flatness of the units. I think treating the train with a lightsource from the top left/right will help you add all the detailing you could ever need. Notice how I used the black outlining to further add depth by coloring the lit areas with the next to darkest color. Your original had the right shading in the red areas but they are just top-down. Using an angle with the same techinique is all you need. I hope this helps you figure things out. I am sure there are other, even better way to do things. I was only able to show my way of handling it.  ps: I really wanted to color the whole train, lol. typos: ------------- |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 10:19am
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Wow, thats exactly what is needed. Thanks for the insight Jalonso. There is so many other projects that I have in the works that could sure benefit from your ideas. Thanks again and I will try to get the train just right. Though from studying your work, its gonna be awhile. Thats alot of work lol... Cheers! Jack |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 1:22pm
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It really is not that much work really. The wheels can be copy/pasted. On the train itself if you make a single panel, it too can be copy/pasted over. All the rivets and small bumps can also be carried over. The only unique areas should only be the shadow and highlight points. Good luck, show us the progress :D
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 2:42pm
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Here is what I have so far in terms of the soldiers. Enjoy! Jack  |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 2:46pm
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Looks great. I would lower the belt one maybe two pixels. The torso appears too short your way. A bit of shadow where the pants meets the coats edge too.
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 04 November 2006 at 3:03pm
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Fair enough, though to be honest your fellow looked more Russian then German lol. I did a hight test and figure that I am pushing the limit with how tall he is in relation to the loco. Also, from pics I have seen, the belt is worn higher then what we would consider. Thanks again and keep in touch. Jack P.S: If anyone knows of a better way to draw a trenchcoat on the general here, let me know. Thanks! |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 07 November 2006 at 12:16pm
| I updated the general somewhat. |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 11 November 2006 at 7:39am
Hey guys, Jack here with an update on the train. Shading and other stuff is still to come. Been working on a camo scheme that I like. Nuff said, here I go... Jack |
Posted By: PixelSnader
Date Posted: 11 November 2006 at 5:37pm
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its a nice motif, but there is still the matter of it being just one texture, reducing the depth
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 11 November 2006 at 10:31pm
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I am sorry...what one texture? I indicated that I had only worked on the camo scheme at present. It will be awhile before I attempt any textures. I dont have much faith in me in terms of those departments, lol . Jack |
Posted By: Monkey 'o Doom
Date Posted: 12 November 2006 at 5:22pm
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He means that the areas where foreshortening and perspective would move the camo pattern and make the edges not line up don't have the effects of these things and look very flat. Move the pattern whenever the surface it's on is closer or farther from the viewer than the adjacent surface. ------------- http://pixelmonkey.ensellitis.com"> 
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 12 November 2006 at 6:55pm
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Ah, ok. I see what youre saying. I will certainly do that. Thanks again. I vill be back. Jack |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 12 November 2006 at 10:11pm
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This camo pattern looks great. You totally missed what I was saying about moving the pattern as the planes of the train move toward and away from the viewer :/
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 12 November 2006 at 10:46pm
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Im having trouble making the boiler look round. Any ideas? Ive tried using slightly darkening shades of the base gray and so far I dont like the results. Thanks again. Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 11:21am
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Hey there guys, just updating a little bit. Proceeding slowly on the locomotive so I decided to work on background elements. Feast your eyes on this. And there is more to come. Also, please note that I have not yet put in all shadowing (soldier, etc.) I will get to those. This is just rough at the moment. Jack ~See latest post...~ |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 11:36am
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Real nice layout. I don't like the brick pattern on the red roofs tho, where it meets the chimmney looks particularly poor. I would think it would also be more interesting is the bricks on the building edges stuck out by at least one pixel so that the sides are not so straight. Same goes for the rear building where the floor divisions just stop at the edge.
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Posted By: Pieface
Date Posted: 22 November 2006 at 12:07pm
| Remove the gradients on the windos though, that just adds too many unnesecary colours |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 23 November 2006 at 11:44am
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Hey guys, if anyone has any idea where I would find tutorials about basics such as reflections, shadows, etc...let me know k? Thanks! Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 06 December 2006 at 11:53am
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Hey there guys, sorry for the long delay. Work is progressing on the diorama but its a bit big to post on PB. Until I find a site that is as easy to use and can handle larger file sizes, I will have to post the work in sections. Here is a couple tanks that will be loads on the train. They both have camo but I want some C+C on the basic versions for now. Mainly to do with shadows, etc. Thanks! Here is the current version. I have to link it because of the size. http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/files/837/WWIIGermantrain.png - http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/files/837/WWIIGermantrain.png Jack P.S: Yeah yeah, I know there are elements that are not pixel art Those are all temporary filler until I can figure out how to do them pixel by pixel. |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 13 December 2006 at 2:02pm
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Due to a problem I had, my latest work is gone. I am currently trying to redo what I lost but the backgrounds are gone. Oh well, I will press on. Take care Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 10:00am
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Hello again, sorry for a lack of updates. I have been recovering from losing the latest work and believe I have a better version in the works. I hope to have an update soon. Cheers! Merry Xmas! Jack P.S.  |
Posted By: PixelSnader
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 11:21am
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oh god. can i shade those? ------------- ▄▄█ ▄▄█ ▄█▄ ▄█▄ |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 23 December 2006 at 1:16pm
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Be my guest, just make sure you share your results lol. I want to glean your skills and see if I can learn from ya. Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 31 December 2006 at 5:43pm
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Here is some of my latest stuff so far... Working on camo scheme, then plan to work more on over all structure of the image then move onto shading(May God have mercy on my soul lol). Let me know what you think and what I should and need to fix. Thanks alot! Camo:  Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 10:25am
| bump |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 10:26am
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it's been a week, it doesnt seem like anyone had anything to say about your previous post, have you an edit?
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 07 January 2007 at 10:52am
 Yeah. above the bump lol sorry. I didnt create a new reply, just an edit. Here is the finished camo. It is alright I think. It should suffice. Also here is my reference for most of it. http://www.track-link.net/gallery/4870_11 - http://www.track-link.net/gallery/4870_11 Model by Lukas Szwarc, © Jan 7, 2007. Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 08 January 2007 at 8:14am
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How does one make a realistic pine tree for a side shot such as mine? I have tried but so far have come up short. Any ideas would be most welcome. Thanks again. Jack |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 16 January 2007 at 7:28pm
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Ok. here goes nothing. I doubt it will make much difference but here is what I have so far... Image is too big to post here....Heres the link: http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/files/837/German-train.png - http://www.gigafiles.co.uk/files/837/German-train.png |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 21 January 2007 at 10:56am
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Is there a size limit on the forum? When I try to put the pic under my update, its all squashed? If anyone knows how to get around it, please let me know. Thanks alot. Also, feel free to critique my pic (linked in above message). Take care! Jack |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 21 January 2007 at 12:31pm
| I don't really know anything to say about the train, but I'd suggest adding some depth to the background. Also, the guy driving the train is orange. The soldiers are really stiff as well. Hey, what is this for again? That's pretty much all I can comment on right now. You've obviously put a lot of work into it. |
Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 21 January 2007 at 1:30pm
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Thanks for the advise. What things do I need to do to add more depth? The pic is mainly for my enjoyment and others. Its not for a game or anything. I just like to draw. As for the soldiers, Ive tried my best and thats what I got lol. Unless someones out there who can help me out that is... Anyhow, TTYL! Jack |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 21 January 2007 at 1:43pm
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well, in order to make the train pop more, I'd use less saturated colors on the houses in the background, and especially on the mountains. Those should be very faint, you've defined the edges too much.
Also, you should get rid of the black outlines in the background. And lower the amount of details - you don't need to outline every single brick, and shingle. Try to use textures to imply those details, but don't ephasize them all.
And I don't know if this would be possible, but I'd strongly advise you to get rid of the smoke. But unless you have it on a separate layer it'd be a huge pain in the ass to remove.
I'll try to make an edit of the soldiers for you, but I'm not too great at anatomy myself..
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 22 January 2007 at 6:30am
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Ok...how would I create the essential component of a steam locomotive without smoke. It is indeed on a seperate layer so editing isnt hard. Also, what outlines are you referring to? Thanks though for your suggestions, they are appreciated! Jack |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 22 January 2007 at 6:45am
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Yeah, I know smoke is important, but it just doesn't look aesthetically pleasing right now.
And I was talking about the black outlines on the houses in the background, and all the outlines on the details like roof shingles and bricks and such. You should try to suggest those details with shading and textures rather than outline
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 22 January 2007 at 7:22am
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I am so behind in skills lol. Shading is not my strong point. Anyone out there know of tutorials for buildings textures, shading, etc? If so, I am here to learn. Jack |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 22 January 2007 at 7:41am
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Well then, this is your chance to catch up and improve ^___^
I dont have time to find anything specific for you, but I'm sure you'll find something helpful here
http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=706 - http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=706
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Posted By: JackBauer24
Date Posted: 26 January 2007 at 3:58am
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I feel stupid. There doesnt seem to be anything there that I can do just yet...Textures for one, Im not too confident about doing that. Ive seen samples of what I can do but I have no clue of how to replicate and do it. If anyone is willing to teach me, I would love it. Thanks and take care! Jack |