Community Pixel Totem Pole Project
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Printed Date: 11 September 2025 at 12:29am
Topic: Community Pixel Totem Pole Project
Posted By: ryan-gfx
Subject: Community Pixel Totem Pole Project
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 10:58pm
SO here's the skinny on this new project. We did one last year on
Deviantart. It was a big success. A REAL big success. And guess what?
We're doing it again! Read all about it http://ryan-gfx.deviantart.com/journal/2822204/ - here and see the final old totem http://www.deviantart.com/view/8966211/ - here .
Now why am I starting it at Pixeljoint this year. I'm temporarily
banned from Deviantart. I know you're all wondering why so I'll tell
you now and save the hours of questions. There was this daily Deviation
of a morbidly obese woman, posing naked. I commented on it and wrote
"FREE WILLY!" And got visciously attacked. So that's why I got banned
for a week. It's retarded just.. ugh. So anyway that's why I'm going to
start it here and end it at Deviantart, because in the end, it's gonna
be posted there too.
So last year you got a totem template, you carved out your design, and
we stacked them ontop of eachother, creating a massive totem. Here's
the deal, we were gonna have prizes this year. The catch is, you have
to be a member of Deviantart to receieve them, because they are
subscriptions. And seeing as how most of you have Devart account, I
dont see that as a problem. So when I get unbanned from Devart, we'll
start the totem up their and continue it here and there. It'll be hard,
but eh, more Pixelartists means bigger totem. so let's see an example
of a totem, already, ryan!

RULES:
1. Stick with the palette. There are 9 colors, same number of colors
as last
year, but we made them a little less red, and a tad lighter. If you
deviate too much from the given pallete, your totem won't be
accepted.. we want to try to keep the color count down, and if everyone
deviates
from the pettern with a few colors, we've got that many colors times x
totems,
that'll be way too many colors. You have the full range from dark to
light and
you shouldn't need any more colors than that. In short, just stick to
the
palatte, mmkay?
2. Use the pixel brush and the pixel brush ONLY, because if you use
any other tool like the spray tool, it'll drive the color count up, and
it wont be authentic pixel work.
So just dont cheat and use the airbrush, or anything.. we will know ;)
3. Last year we had quite an issue with people making totems with
tiny little pieces in between the large totem cylinders holding them
up, and it just looked wrong.
Use good judgement, okay? We all know that a little tiny frail statue that is 1 px thin will not hold up the totem pole.
Just be reasonable, you know what looks appropriate and what does not.
4. We dont want to see any half-assed totems. Period. Try to spend more than
5 minutes on it, because if the quality of your totem is bad, it might not be
accepted. This doesn't mean if you suck at pixelart, don't try to enter. It means
that even if you have no skill at all, you put effort into your piece, it will
show. And if you don't, your totem wont. We want to keep the standard of quality sufficient,
so try your best :)
5. Size: We of course want to keep the width of the totem 78 pixels. But height
is your decision. I dont care if you make it 30 pixels high or 300 pixels high.
In the end it's gonna be one long-ass totem anyway, I am right? *w00t w00t*
6. BE CREATIVE! I can't emphasize this enough. Think outside the box and try
something nobody's ever done before. We don't want to see a million Spiderman
totems. Originality and creativity are key. If you have the most original and
best totem, you'll win a year's subscription.
7. Have fun, for the LOVE OF GOD!!! 
When you're done with your totem PLEASE submit it this thread so I can add it to the totem :D

Above is the amazing template and palette. Make it any length you want, and be SURE to follow the above rules :)
Prizes:
All the totems will be judged. The deviant who created the overall best totem
(in the judges opinion) will be awarded a 1-year subscription. to Deviantart, of course.
The runners up will be awarded a 3-month subscription, and a print
If you're not a member of Deviantart, you, well, I guess you can't win the prize, but you can win the satisfaction (which is a crappy prize, but eh)
So that's it! Run off and make something creative. I'll update the
totem to this very post each time. (The base of the totem and the
topper have already been made, so dont ask )
Thanks!
Updated Current totem: 
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Replies:
Posted By: Chesheyre
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 11:20pm
Well it's about time this thing got rolling. Now I really have to finish the topper, don't I? *g*
Anyway, ya'll better submit some good stuff! :D
From your cool sexy backup sidekick..
Chesheyre-boy!
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Posted By: Saiklor
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 11:21pm
sounds fun
just to clarify (because I never saw last years version) the top and
bottom of the pole do NOT have to be "free" from the "carved" image? I
see at the top of the example it's "free" from the image but at the
bottom it's part of them, that's okay? The bottom part not being a flat
circle piece of wood is okay?
I just want to be clear :D
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 11 July 2005 at 11:29pm
Umm... sure... whatever. Just look at the one last year and... yeah, just... yeah.
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Posted By: Kirra
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 4:18pm
Cool.. I guess Ill give a try at this but i wont win anything cause im too cheap to be a deviantart member. and also because my IP adress got banned because my brother used deviantart before me but whatever..
BTW, free willy? lmfao. you're my hero XD
Edit: So when does this thing end?
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 5:40pm
Definately not for a while. We have another 3 weeks. It's gonna run
here for another 5 or 6 days, then run on deviantart for the last 2
weeks.
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Posted By: Vidd
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 7:22pm
Ok, Mario Totem.

Maybe I should have just made a Mario head but that would have been boring. :/
EDIT:
Slightly better...

EDIT: Or
http://img330.imageshack.us/img330/4971/mariototemalternative0dc.gif - this ,
otherwise I may start from scratch. :P
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Posted By: 1ucas
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 7:29pm
It's just a cylinder with kind of a face on it. Try messing with the template more, give it shape.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 8:20pm
Vidd: It's nice, but try to carve the face into the
wood, rather than just adding facial features to the cylinder like
1ucas said.
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 9:34pm
LMFAO @ FREE WILLY!!
I'm getting started on mine right now. 
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: Saiklor
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 9:48pm
you called someone "free willy"
and you think YOU got visciously attacked?
what an odd world this world is at time, what an odd odd place.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 10:22pm
Saiklor: Hence the banning, my friend ;) ah well it's all in the past.
edit- so-lou! I'm so glad you aer joining!
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 11:20pm
Thanks ryan - can't wait to see this thing finished. 
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 11:42pm
HAH!! Look at your post-count! you dirty, dirty girl.
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 11:46pm
HAHA
Yeah, I'm the dirty one Mister Free Willy! 
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 11:53pm
That quote will folllow me to my grave, I swear.
aww, now you have 70 posts. You shoul've left it that way >.>
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 12 July 2005 at 11:56pm
I can change it, I'm a mod. But I don't think I will. 
Stop spamming your own thread! o_0
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 12:00am
never!
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 5:28am
Not sure if I'm finished (like if I want to texture the wood either side of his face or just leave it that way...) but I thought I'd show what I've done so far.

I'm working on two other totem ideas I have as well. 
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: Sensei
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 6:49am
So-lou that is so amazing 
Did you use a reference pic?
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 6:58am
Thanks Sensei! :D (I at your avvy every time I see it btw)
Crap, I totally forgot to post it. Yes, of course I had a ref pic! I'd be confused as hell without it. This surprisingly wasn't so difficult, because I've painted this very picture before in large scale, on a canvas about two metres tall.

He's so handsome when he's insane. 
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: kiwidesign
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 8:11am
Originally posted by So-lou
I'm working on two other totem ideas I have as well. 
great, great, great!!! 
..more shading on the forehead?
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Posted By: 1ucas
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 8:40am
Not sure if I'm finished (like if I want to texture the wood either side of his face or just leave it that way...) but I thought I'd show what I've done so far.
Yeah, texture it. The more you change the basic cylindrical shape the better.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 12:39pm
Posted By: necromancer928
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 1:07pm
dude that movie is scary. i hate part II with the lady in the bathtub. so scary.
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 1:56pm
so-lou while that is an amazin pixel of his face it doesnt look like its
carved into the wood :S looks like a pinned up phtograph mayb try
make it look more 3d? or splinter the wood around him
infact if it was calved out of wood his hair weould be wood colour
everything would it woudnt be a diff colour like tht, so its a good
pixel.. but doesnt look like part of a totem if u get meh
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 2:20pm
kiwidesign - I tried to put wrinkles in but it ended up looking dodgy. XD I'll try again.
ryan - ah love you son.
necromancer - yeah, she was all like 'I'm sexy' and then she's all 'EEH HEEHEEHEE AAAGH!!' that part was like whoa. Tripped me out some.
Okie dokie rifts - thanks! I'm not too sure on how to pixel wood texture - never done it before - so I'm going to get loads of refs and lucas to help me (he's good with texture).
Also, it's okay to have a character standing on one 'platform' and holding another up right? It's still a totem, right?
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: 1ucas
Date Posted: 13 July 2005 at 2:39pm
Yes, it's perfectly ok. We had like three awesome totems last year that were just like that.
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Posted By: zachriel
Date Posted: 15 July 2005 at 8:59am
Hmm, just a little question.. Is it wood or bronze? Because it looks more like metal than wood to me
It's pretty important to know because wood texture wouldn't shine as
much as metal texture, and.. well.. yeah.. I'm a pain, I know 
I want to be a part of this, but is there a way to win without
accepting the price? Until deviantART fixes all the downsides with
subscriptions I like being a nonsub better (Not that I'll win anyway..)
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 1:56pm
Okay, since I got un-banned from deviantart, I'm posting the project there on my account http://ryan-gfx.deviantart.com/
So if you wanna post a totem you can do it on devart. Otherwise, this thread is closed.
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Posted By: ctrl-alt-delete
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 5:27pm
Are you going to be constantly updating the totem in your journal as you have been doing so in this thread, or are we going to have to wait until the very end to see the compleated product?
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 18 July 2005 at 5:32pm
Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 20 July 2005 at 1:28am
I got crits and I worked hard on them. Unlike some people...*cough*

Ta daaaaaaa. It's jacky boy - does he look carved? Lucas helped me a tonne on this - thanks lucas. 
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 20 July 2005 at 2:00am
you AND Lucas are brilliant, and this looks awesome.

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Posted By: ..::Naso::..
Date Posted: 20 July 2005 at 6:44am
thats real nice so lou =D
love the wood textur
but for some reson it dose not look carver =/
but its kool
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Posted By: Godslayer
Date Posted: 20 July 2005 at 7:11am
It doesn't look carved because its too roundish, but hey, its awesome!
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Posted By: sedgemonkey
Date Posted: 20 July 2005 at 8:11am
I love the work you've done on the Jack and the neat little wood texture on the outside is a nice touch. Love to see you do a non-totem Jack someday.
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Posted By: 1ucas
Date Posted: 20 July 2005 at 11:59pm
Wow, Sophie! This is so awesome!
Nice touches with the bits on the side, btw!
And no problem, I'm really glad to be any help :D
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Posted By: TheDarkHawk
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 12:54am
I think I might join in...
@ So-lou: Darling, light of my life, you didn't let me finish my sentence, I said I'm not gonna hurt you, I'm just gonna bash you brains in, bash em right the f**k in.
My favorite part too. I RENTED THAT MOVIE LAST WEEK NO JOKE :)
Jack Nicolson is my hero. Seriously...
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 22 July 2005 at 7:29am
LOL I looove that part. "Gimme the bat.....give it to me......GIMME THE BAT!!" I have it on dvd and loooove it to pieces. All work and no pixelling makes So-lou a dull girl. 
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: kiwidesign
Date Posted: 25 July 2005 at 11:17am
Originally posted by So-lou
I got crits and I worked hard on them. Unlike some people...*cough*

Ta daaaaaaa. It's jacky boy - does he look carved? Lucas helped me a tonne on this - thanks lucas. 
YEAH!!! 
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 31 July 2005 at 1:37pm
There's a week until the contest ends... so anyone else with a totem should submit it now :)
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 31 July 2005 at 3:54pm
ONE WEEK!!?? But I started one and am not motivated to finish it but WILL eventually maybe in like two weeks...!? Ah, I'll get it finished. *panics*
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 31 July 2005 at 6:44pm
Originally posted by So-lou
ONE
WEEK!!?? But I started one and am not motivated to finish it but WILL
eventually maybe in like two weeks...!? Ah, I'll get it finished.
*panics*
From the looks of this, it doesn't look like a matter of time.. it looks like a lack of interest.
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Posted By: nekotali
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 10:42pm
Originally posted by TheDarkHawk
I think I might join in...
@ So-lou: Darling, light of my life, you didn't let me finish my sentence, I said I'm not gonna hurt you, I'm just gonna bash you brains in, bash em right the f**k in.
My favorite part too. I RENTED THAT MOVIE LAST WEEK NO JOKE :)
Jack Nicolson is my hero. Seriously...
O_____O" Help... me... *runs*
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 4:49am
LACK OF INTEREST?
Yes, I would much rather plan a hens night for 12 girls, attend shopping sprees for wedding stuff, attend tafe three days a week, go to gym every day and look for a job and go to job interviews and lying about how nice I am and like people instead of doing one of my favourite hobbies, pixelling something cool in the comfort of my home on a nice warm chair with a rug on my lap - SURE ryan. Lack of interest, you little turd. 
But I'll do it. (working on it now asamatteroffact)
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 1:36pm
And people say you're bipolar...
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Posted By: truth
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 4:25pm
Hey I like those Aztec dancers on the old one. Anyhow, that "Jack" face looks more like a contrasted/polarized or whatever you call it photograph. Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?
It looks too modified to me to be pixel art.
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Posted By: Garage Inc.
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 4:27pm
Truth, that is real pixel art. So-Lou is an incredibal artist and she has done much more detailed work than that.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 10:40pm
Truth: So-lou is just that talented. Dont say that someone's work is
not real pixelart until you really check your facts. You'll find she
used all the right colors in the palette, and perfectly manual AA and
dithering techniques on the shading.
You can't polarize a photo to the exact palette, anyway.
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Posted By: Ensellitis
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 11:53pm
Truth, it is nearly impossible to get any photo with as much detail as
a picture of Jack would be to that palette. If you are going to
attack someone as beloved, talented, and respected as So-Lou, you
better get some evidence first... Otherwise you sound like an
idiot...
Oops, to late.
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There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 12:37am
Okay okay okay enough I think we've knocked truth down a peg, moving on.
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 5:10am
Originally posted by truth
Hey I like those Aztec dancers on the old one. Anyhow, that "Jack" face looks more like a contrasted/polarized or whatever you call it photograph. Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?
It looks too modified to me to be pixel art.
That's a big call you're making there, but since I can prove that I don't 'mess around with filters and color depth' and do all my work in paint, I don't feel accused at all. ^_^ So you can believe whatever you want to believe, the real pixel artists know what I can do, and that's good enough for me. So shut yer pie hole! (heh pie hole.)
Besides, anyone can see my Chucky tutorial to see how I do these things. Filters...HA!
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: sedgemonkey
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 8:18am
I don't want this thread to turn into a defense of So-lou (or any other pixel artist), but throwing around accusations of using filters/color depth without examining the art or the pixel artist is about as insulting as it gets. Be more careful in the future.
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Posted By: truth
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:07am
I don't think I ever claimed So-lou did use a filter. I hinted that it looks like it to me. Your hostility hasn't knocked me down any pegs, anyhow, but if you want to go on believing delusions to make you feel bigger and better than me, fine. I consider everyone better than me, anyhow.
Speaking of facts, perhaps if you could read English or had a greater understanding of it, you wouldn't assert at me so outrageously. But I suppose that's to be expected, most people on earth hate the truth, and I think that's the problem.
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Posted By: Garage Inc.
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:16am
Truth, I am quoting you,
"Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?"
Instead of just throwing around accusations, learn what your talking about first. I don't think I have seen one piece of pixel art from you. Why not post something, we will give you crits, and you see if you like the truth.
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Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:17am
Originally posted by truth
Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?
Originally posted by truthI don't think I ever claimed So-lou did use a filter. I hinted that it looks like it to me. Your hostility hasn't knocked me down any pegs, anyhow, but if you want to go on believing delusions to make you feel bigger and better than me, fine. I consider everyone better than me, anyhow.
Speaking of facts, perhaps if you could read English or had a greater understanding of it, you wouldn't assert at me so outrageously. But I suppose that's to be expected, most people on earth hate the truth, and I think that's the problem.
Your hypocrisy is astounding. Read your own text and figure it out. There shall be no more of this, Truth. Post pixels and comments relevant and pixel-related or leave.
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Posted By: truth
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:19am
Originally posted by Garage Inc.
Truth, I am quoting you,
"Instead of playing around with filters and color depth, why not make real pixel art?"
Instead of just throwing around accusations, learn what your talking about first. I don't think I have seen one piece of pixel art from you. Why not post something, we will give you crits, and you see if you like the truth.
Yes, well, if you'd read what you quoted instead of trying to deceive other people, you'd realize that I did not make an accusation. It was a general question that applies to everyone, this is a public forum.
Anyhow, I have posted art, and if you're willing instead of trying to make me look like a coward, you'd go in search of it. Regardless if I posted it or not, obviously my post was more of a compliment if indeed the person did not modify a scanned picture floating around the Internet. Therefore, you are overreacting and trying to play big-brother where it is not needed...nor are you doing a good job.
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Posted By: Garage Inc.
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:29am
You know, this might get me in trouble with Luke, but I really don't care because I feel like not only do I want to say this, but I think I speak for alot of people when I say this.
You are really getting on my least nerve. You try to make yourself sound and feel better by puting others down and trying to make youself sound smart, when really, you have no clue what you are talking about. If you want be liked, or atleast not be hated, around here, you really should stop argueing with people. If you have something to say, say it, but don't get into a big arguement about it.
O ya, and if this isn't accusing someone of doing something, then I don't know what is.
"Instead of playing around with filters"
Now have a nice, f**king, day.
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Posted By: sedgemonkey
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 11:39am
EVERYBODY: Please get the collaboartion threads back on topic!!! I'm just as guilty as anyone for letting the topics get so far astray, but let's try and keep the bitchfests out of the collab threads. Thanks.
truth: Enough is enough. I've seen you personally insult at least four members (myself included) during your short visit here and I'm getting tired of it. Drop this hostility immediately or leave. If you would like to discuss this further you can PM me.
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Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 10:23pm
Originally posted by So-louI got crits and I worked hard on them. Unlike some people...*cough*

Ta daaaaaaa. It's jacky boy - does he look carved? Lucas helped me a tonne on this - thanks lucas. 
WOW. This is really really awesome. 
I think though, in my personal opinion, it would look better coming out
of the pole rather than carved in wood. That would be like.. creepy.
"heeeere's JOHNNY!".. right.. I hope that's what he says in the movie..
I haven't seen it in a bit. XD But yeah, I think coming out of the pole
would be wicked awesome. Regardless, it's still a brilliant peice of
pixel art, really. Bravo. :)
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 03 August 2005 at 10:27pm
Aleiav she had to make it carved INTO the wood because in the movie,
jack was in between two sides of the door with his head poking through.
I think this way it's even MORE genius :3
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Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 2:16am
Ooooh. Okay. :) *thumbs up*
aand here's my entry!

.. hope it's okay. :) Took me awhile.
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Posted By: 1ucas
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:18am
err... Looks like he had his eyeballs removed...
ouch...
The shirt looks horrible with those color bands. Try dithering it a lot, and be sure to give it some shape instead of a smooth gradient. The guy's wearing a shirt, not a plastic chest cap.
The arm is very pillow shaded, and the reason why it got this name is obvious here: it actually looks like clothing over a pillow, not flesh.
The dithering on the beanie is weird and isn't really improving it in any way.
So I'd suggest you to work on this a lot more. It doesn't look too good.
EDIT: and, on a personal note, Eminem SUCKS.
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Posted By: Sensei
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 10:44am
Word.
Anyways it looks like you traced the eminem picture and it looked good
you thought that, ah nobody will notice its not ready i will post it.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 1:38pm
It looks like Eminem has a massive tanline on his chest. Dithering, my friend. Dithering.
Oh and like I said on deviantart, try making the base thicker so that it doesn't look so thin and stick-like
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Posted By: Vidd
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 3:31pm
Originally posted by So-louI got crits and I worked hard on them. Unlike some people...*cough*
Was that aimed at me?
I think it was so I trashed the Mario one and made a Wario one from scratch.
I hope it's more like the sort of thing you want. :/

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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 4:28pm
i dont think it was aimed at any1
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Posted By: Saboteur
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:23pm
yet again you just added on to the base. I think the idea was to make your own, and put it between the top and bottom of the bases, rather than just putting stuff over it. Plus a whole lot of it isnt finished yet. Or so it seems.
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Posted By: Psychotic_Carp
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by Saboteur
yet again you just added on to the base. I think the idea was to make your own, and put it between the top and bottom of the bases, rather than just putting stuff over it. Plus a whole lot of it isnt finished yet. Or so it seems.
where does it say it has to be that way?
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got game?
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 5:56pm
Nope, not aimed at you Vidd. I can't wait to get home and finish my totem.
------------- -So-lou
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Posted By: Saboteur
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 7:23pm
Originally posted by Psychotic_Carp
where does it say it has to be that way?
Where did I say it had to be that way? I was just offering some criticism, because I think you can do better than what you've currently displayed. And I believe somewhere in the beginning the same thing was suggested.
It is supposed to look carved into wood, though, not random peices of anatomy pasted on to a log. Ok, that makes it sound a lot worse than it is, but I think you get the idea.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Saboteurnot random peices of anatomy pasted on to a log.

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Posted By: Crazie Cathie
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 9:19pm
Ok... here's mine... I'm not sure it's finished, I would like to make
the top and bottom blend more, but I'm stuck on what to do... any ideas?

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Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 9:23pm
I'll go back and do some dithering.
If anyone can help me with the eyes, that'd be great. Like.. ACTUAL
help. Other than pointing it out like a three year old.
Constructive criticism is the key here.
@ Sensei: ... what? I got the part about tracing the picture but.. you lost me after that. 
@ 1ucas: I can understand if you don't like Eminem. I'm not asking
you to. But it's obvious I like him if I'm going to spend a lot of time
making a totem for it, the least you can do is not act like an ass. I
mean, if I absolutely HATED The Shining I wouldn't come on and say,
"The Shining SUCKS" or if I hated Mario I wouldn't come on here and
say, "Mariou SUCKS". Because it's immature, pointless, and rude.
So..
grow up.
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Posted By: Saboteur
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 10:09pm
Alieav: Whoooa, you edited your post in the time it took me to make this one...
Here's a clarification off the bat:
Sensei: 'Anyways it looks like you traced the eminem picture and it looked good you thought: "Ah, nobody will notice its not ready. I will post it."'
Duuude, simmer. You submitted something with a few errors, they got pointed out. It's gonna happen, they all figure you could do better. Maybe a little better, maybe a whole load better. Every peice has room for improvement, and every person has potential to help you in whatever you do. Listen to them, instead of criticising their criticisms.
Before you submit something, look carefully at every part of it. Look for consistency in style, lightsourcing, texture, AAing, dithering, and basically every other pixelling aspect you can think of. Looking at yours a few things jump out at me immediately. I'm gonna list em off in a wonderbarish fashion
1: The bottom is connected to the dude, but he doesnt look connected to the top.
2: His right forearm reminds me a little of Fat Bast**d, and his left reminds me of someone who really got too lazy and uninterested to finish their artwork.
3: His shirt -shudder-... yeah, what can I say other than you should've labelled it a WIP because of that shirt alone. What, you didn't want to? You gotta put a little more effort into things if you wanna end up at so-Lou and Jaeden caliber.
4: The bandana has much more contrast than the face, or it's got a mildly different light source. Or something.
5: I can't really tell what the hell's going on with the post behind him. It reminds me frighteningly of gradients, so something there needs some fixing. Oh, I wanted to say this earlier. It's not our job to tell you exactly what to do with your art, only what we see wrong with it.
6: The ribbon would not support itself. Not to mention it also looks gradienty, and the text is hard to read.
On a couple of positive notes, I think the hands and face look awesome. Parts of the face look odd. Actually, the right of his face seems to be giving birth to pac-man. And I disagree about the eyes, he has eyes, he just might be stoned. Not surprising... stupid Eminem. Also, there's a blip on his right forearm (our left) that looks odd.
And you DO care what he thinks about eminem, or you'd have said nothing about it at all.
Holy frig, what a lot of typing.
Cathie:
Wow, and welcome to PJ!
I think you just rocked the wings, but a little less contrast on the body would help it look a lot less lumpy, methinks.
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Posted By: 1ucas
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 11:18pm
Aleiav: you're asking ME to grow up? YOU are the one who's ignoring all the errors and suggestions I pointed out just so you could feel all offended about my irrelevant remark about Eminem. I have all the right to say I don't like the guy, and if you were so secure about your taste like you say, you wouldn't be disconsidering my ENTIRE comment because I mentioned my dislike for him.
So YOU're the one who should grow up and stop being an ASS. The fact I don't like Eminem and I'm not afraid of saying it doesn't makes any of my crits invalid. Grow up and learn how to differ opinions from crits.
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Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 04 August 2005 at 11:39pm
Okay guys, chill. Let's keep this thread focused okay?
Aleiav: Looks pretty good at least in the facial region and hands but, it looks unfinished everywhere else. The highlights don't match up to the human anatomy. Oh, and I hate Eminem as well. That doesn't mean jack squat though... artists should always relate their art to what they're into I think. Keep it up!
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Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 1:01am
Good grief guys. I'm not angry or anything. 
I don't have a problem with being criticized at all. That's not what
made me slightly irritated. I just have a problem with errors being
pointed out and little to none help being gived to SOLVE the errors.
That's all.
And as for liking him, I don't care if you do or don't. It just
increased my aggravation that you put that with a sarcastic little
smile with the comment on top of not showing me how to fix the eyes or
the arm. I understood dithering on the shirt but.. what good is
pointing out an error if you aren't going to give suggestions on how to
fix it. I am secure in my taste but.. and I don't know how to say this
without sounding cheesy but.. he's influenced me a lot in life and he
does mean a lot to me so.. I will admit I do get personally offended
when someone says he sucks. There's a difference between not liking him
and saying he sucks. Again, I don't care if you do or don't but.. after
all I described before, with that comment.. it just aggravated and
frustrated me.
I did appreciate your crits, but just.. if you're going to give crits,
at least show HOW I can improve and perhaps try not to be so
discouraging. Again, I do appreciate them.
And thanks Saboteur for your crits.
While you were giving that and all these posts were made, I was busy editing mine with all the crits I got everywhere.

And I dithered! Quite a bit actually. ... I'm kind of worried that I
overdid it in some places. and DAMN THAT BANDANNA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I CAN NOT get it to work right! *hits it*
.. and he looks bugeyed... :P .. which is kind of funny. 
aah, anyway, lemme address your crits Sab,
1: The bottom is connected to the dude, but he doesnt look connected to the top.
Yep.. I tried to connect him to the top but since his head is titled he
just looked like a funhouse mirror version. Didn't work well. So I
thought maybe he could be coming OUT of a column like maybe a Greek
statue or something.. so then I just decided to make him seperate.
2: His right forearm reminds me a little of Fat Bast**d, and his left
reminds me of someone who really got too lazy and uninterested to
finish their artwork.
:P heh heh.. Fat Bastard... yeeaah.. looking back on that arm.. it is
rather bad is it? and the other one's a bit too big. I hope I corrected
that with my new version.. if not let me know.
3: His shirt -shudder-... yeah, what can I say other than you should've
labelled it a WIP because of that shirt alone. What, you didn't want
to? You gotta put a little more effort into things if you wanna end up
at so-Lou and Jaeden caliber.
Oooh, I doubt I could get that far even WITH work. :P Well.. I was
apprehensive approaching dithering because.. I didn't think I'd do very
well at it. Looking at it now it does have a smoother look with the
dithering and.. I think it is better in that aspect definately.
4: The bandana has much more contrast than the face, or it's got a mildly different light source. Or something.
I DO hate that bandana... I'm confused on how to fix it. It's totally
fubarred. I COULD try hair but... maybe I will.. I'm just a bit
apprehensive about it because.. I SUCK at hair. :P But.. hey, it's
worth a go.
5: I can't really tell what the hell's going on with the post behind
him. It reminds me frighteningly of gradients, so something there needs
some fixing. Oh, I wanted to say this earlier. It's not our job to tell
you exactly what to do with your art, only what we see wrong with it.
Well, I understand that. But if I don't know HOW to fix it there's no
way even telling me what's wrong with it's going to help. So if you
can't point out how or make a suggestion.. there's really no point in
saying anything at all, you know?
umm.. yeah, maybe the column could use some dimming down. More.. columnish. :P I'll edit that.
6: The ribbon would not support itself. Not to mention it also looks gradienty, and the text is hard to read.
What do you suggest making it hold up? .. string?
That would look funny. I kind of got the idea from like... a tatoo..
with a scroll thingy.. hmm.. it IS looking shabby. I think I could make
it bigger and wrap around the column.. maybe?
It's a column totem. I AM odd.
anyways.. so I got 3 more days to fix this all up. :P
Thanks all for crits, really. I do appreciate them. :) As well as the compliments.
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 4:48am
'Actually, the right of his face seems to be giving birth to pac-man.'
That is the funniest thing I've read all day, thanks Saboteur! And yes, Eminem has gone downhill...waaay downhill. *shudder* And was never really uphill in the first place. o_0
ANYWAY here's a totemy preview of totemness.......totem:

I may have it finished tonight. \m/ or tomorrow... 
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Posted By: Vidd
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 7:15am
Fixed up the skin a little.

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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 1:15pm
No totem would be complete without a SOPHIE totem!

Reference pic: 
Ahh so-lou.. what would we do without your pouty lips.
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 5:14pm
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I look so solemn and emotional. I love you man, just wait till you get on AIM.... 
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Posted By: Crazie Cathie
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 9:17pm
Thank you Saboteur for your comments, I
appreciate your imput... I did a bit of editing and I think it's
done... Now, Ryan, do I need to send it to you through DA
or will you just snag it here? Please let me know....
Anyway, here it is....

Oh and
Aleiav, just wanted to say that your edit looks great! Amazing improvement!
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Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 05 August 2005 at 11:47pm
Ryan: Looks great dude except that it looks rather pasted on to the totem and has no real carved look to it like your other pieces.
So-lou: you look so... dare I say it? .. normal in that picture!The other ones I've seen of you portray a wild crazy aussie. This one looks like the calm before the storm 
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Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 06 August 2005 at 1:51am
Alrighty! Finally done with all the edits. So here's my official totem! :D

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Posted By: Saboteur
Date Posted: 06 August 2005 at 1:56am
Aleiav, thanks for actually going back and finishing it, it looks much better than it did before. The only thing left is the fact that he looks as if he's in front of the totem, but that's beyond resolve.
And congrats for fighting through the bandana!
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Posted By: zachriel
Date Posted: 06 August 2005 at 2:12am
Aleiav, unfortunatly you removed the old version before I could see it
so I don't know what the fuss is all about. But after reading all the
comments you got about it, you must've improved it a whole lot!
Well, you said it's a finished piece, but this might come in handy for your next piece then:
- You've missed a spot on his neck, between the necklace and the
shirt. I think a few pixels of the darker shade would make that spot
not seem forgotten..

- I'm still pretty new to dithering, and I'm not sure what you
"should" do all the times, but isn't it a bit weird to mix dithering
with cellshading? I'm talking about the face and the bandana. Out of
what I've read I think you had the shirt cellshaded at first, but this
dithered version looks really good, so I think the face and bandana
would look even better with dithering all the way..
- Okay, maybe the face is fine as it is.. But the bandana looks unfinished

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Posted By: Aleiav
Date Posted: 06 August 2005 at 2:24am
Edit: @ Cathy: Thanks! :D
@ Sab: Thanks :D I tried connecting his head with the totem but since
he's turned at an angle.. it looks weird. :P I don't think I'm skilled
enough to pull it off without it looking weird. But.. if anyone wants
to give it a go, they're more than welcome. :P
@ Zac: Thanks. :) Ooh yeah. :P Neck thingy. I can't believe I didn't
catch that. :P It must be one of those things where you look at a peice
for so long you miss some things, ya know?
Hmm.. I'm not really experienced at dithering either. I usually use it
to make stuff a shade darker instead of the full intensity, which is
why there's a bit of dithering on the bandanna and face. Because the
lightest color is a bit too intense to cell shade. I'd consider
dithering his face but.. I think the pixels are too close for that. If
I dithered his face.. eeh.. it might look blurry. But.. I'm not a
master of dithering either. Someone better at it might be able to pull
it off but.. I thought the face and the bandanna were too small
of an area to dither.
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Posted By: zachriel
Date Posted: 06 August 2005 at 10:13am
Ok, not sure this made it any better.. 
I dithered the face and bandana (and did something about that empty area on the neck)

if you wanna keep it please save it to your own computer, 'cause I'll remove it from the image host soon.
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 13 August 2005 at 8:22pm
Ugh! Finally, I finished it. I've rushed the last few parts of this so don't worry about pointing out stuff such as 'the tail is crap' and 'it doesn't look carved' and 'this sucks' because I know. So shut up. Please. Thanks! 

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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 13 August 2005 at 11:32pm

Nice sophie. If you dont mind, I added a few little highlights to
"accent" some parts and give it a little more edge. I think it makes
alien's shiny body stand out a little more :)
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 14 August 2005 at 12:56am
Okaaaay. *eye twitches*
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Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 14 August 2005 at 1:06am
So-lou: that f**king rocks my socks off! And it actually does look carved. Awesome work... I'm impressed as usual
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Posted By: So-lou
Date Posted: 14 August 2005 at 1:15am
Thanks pixelblink. *relaxes* This is like basically the one positive thing said to me the past few weeks. 
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 14 August 2005 at 3:33am
is there a place to see the finished totem so far?
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Posted By: 1ucas
Date Posted: 14 August 2005 at 3:45am
Nope. You`ll have to wait.
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 14 August 2005 at 9:29am
dawww :( i cant b botherd to wait.. it takes so much effort lol seems like
some good stuff has been put thru tho :P
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Posted By: 1ucas
Date Posted: 14 August 2005 at 10:57am
Yeah. Last year was a lot better, but I'm really glad we had quality artists we didn't had last year like So-lou here and Mistress Jaeden over dA
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Posted By: sedgemonkey
Date Posted: 15 August 2005 at 9:52am
Heh, So-lou's alien is doing some serious grinding. This is a PG-13 forum you sinner. 
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