Evil hat
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Category: Pixel Art
Forum Name: WIP (Work In Progress)
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Printed Date: 11 October 2022 at 3:52pm
Topic: Evil hat
Posted By: Skull Master
Subject: Evil hat
Date Posted: 29 September 2007 at 6:53pm
Here's an evil hat I made when I was board, please critique.   |
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Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 29 September 2007 at 10:17pm
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how do you put this... thing on your head? yep! we got another Skull ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 29 September 2007 at 11:44pm
Like this: |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 30 September 2007 at 1:51am
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http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o218/Skull97/bkrnd.jpg?t=1191140317 - http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o218/Skull97/bkrnd.jpg?t=1191140317 |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 30 September 2007 at 6:43am
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 30 September 2007 at 7:37am
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Um? What was that link for? But yeah, I guess it's OK if it's a hat. |
Posted By: MashPotato
Date Posted: 30 September 2007 at 9:54am
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I think you need some more clear definition within the hat, as I'm finding it a bit difficult to read... for example, (what I think is) the brim is fading into the top of the hat rather than having a distinct fold, making it hard to define the shape you want. It's a neat start, keep at it!  ------------- http://theindiestone.com - the INDIE STONE |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 5:45am
Kay, this any better? I tried what you said, also tried to make the visser look more visser-like. |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:47am
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do NOT use photobucket for your pixels, as it automatically converts your image to JPEG. I recomend you www.Imageshack.us. also, try to add more volume to that visser, so it would not look as if it was made of paper. ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 11:21am
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Originally posted by Metaru do NOT use photobucket for your pixels, as it automatically converts your image to JPEG. What? No it doesn't. I use photobucket all the time... silly boy. About the hat: it doesn't look like one. It doesn't really look like anything. ------------- |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 12:33pm
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he's uploading BMPs
------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 2:21pm
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Originally posted by Metaru do NOT use photobucket for your pixels, as it automatically converts your image to JPEG. I recomend you www.Imageshack.us. also, try to add more volume to that visser, so it would not look as if it was made of paper. I know, I just use Photobucket those few times because Imageshack was having problems, here's a non-Jpeged one:  I will edit the visser later, I got to do mah' homework now... T_T |
Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 2:54pm
| Photobucket only JPGS .bmp images. If you save them as .png. They stay .png. |
Posted By: Squirrelsquid
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 4:00pm
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Originally posted by Doomcreator0 Photobucket only JPGS .bmp images. If you save them as .png. They stay .png. ...and Photobucket is fine with .gif too. never had problems with it... regarding the piece: It's pretty hard to imagine where exactly the head would fit in. I'd work out a circular shape that clearly fits on you every-day human head. |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 4:18pm
 Yeah, I hear ya', I'll do that. XD
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Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 6:35pm
Update: I made the hat more "Hat shaped" and I inproved on the shaiding, what do ya' think? |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 6:48pm
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What are those red things? Why is the red so saturated? Why have you not cleaned the edges of the bill?
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Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 6:52pm
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1) donno 2)  3) I don't quite know how to with out it ending up looking flat... |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:05pm
THIS what you want?:  |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:05pm
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making a quick show and tell, brb
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Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:06pm
| Uhhh... ok... XD |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 01 October 2007 at 7:22pm
 #1-yours #2- The lineart I mentioned being dirty in pink. I also recolored the rest of that line using greys instead of the black. Desaturated the reds here too. You have too many reds there, btw. 2 at least are not needed. #3+4- cap with a tail thing. Your cap is actually ok except for the pink line where your line there is actually opposite to it. I suggest changing this so it 'looks' like a hat. Use this yellow part of the hat to make more sense of the red things, whatever they may be. ps: the dithering when zoomed is actually pretty good. Some areas show skill. I was surprised by this for some reason. Good job. EDIT: #2 also has some added contrast to the grey color ramp ------------- |
Posted By: l3m0n5
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:41am
| oh there it is, another one of jalonso's SUPER critique posts, dunno how u have time to make these kinda posts but anwho back on topic, if u plan to sort of re-vamp the hat to fit the shape of a real hat like that in jal's post then i think the eyes of the "skull" might be a lilttle lopsided, could just be me though... |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:25am
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@l3m0n5-thx for the new siggy :p *I'm making another edit right now, actually XD ------------- |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 9:59am
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at last, i'm out of there.
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Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 2:53pm
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@ jalonso : Thank you for showing me how to do the bill, I wasn't quite sure how. PS.: your picture REALLY helps, thanks a bunch!  |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 4:37pm
 This good? :s |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 4:53pm
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It's looking better all the time. The flap/thing just doesn't look right, at all. Please, please, once and for all, explain what that is? why is it there? why is it needed? Couldnt red eyes compensate? ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 4:57pm
| ^^; Howz about I take the flaps away, and replace them with it crying blood from the eyes? |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:00pm
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I would first refine the lightsource on the hat. before taking another step. A good opportunity to smooth (aa or selout or combo) your edges. This won't look good on a BG and if you aren't aware I let nothing in with uselss BGs, ya know. E: You didn't answer  ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:07pm
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Wah? oh, I'll edit the lightsource to, I'm ceeping the blood tears though. XD Edit: I'm watching AMV hell 3 rite now, so I'm a bit destracted. |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:22pm
*adds the red 'thangs' to the list of PJ mysteries never to be solved 
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Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 5:51pm
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Xp yeah. This good?  |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:05pm
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Too much flow. You'd have to figure absorbsion would take place since you do not have a slick surface (told you to figure out the lightsource, didn't I). Right side blood to the bill with the right eye just beginning to flow, I'd say. ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:19pm
| Well... what if it's made of leather? (I did edit the lightsourse a bit, just not that much, I didn't know were to change it) XD |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:31pm
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then EXPLAIN that you ... ehm... """"""hat""""" is made of leather.
also, leather, spandex or mithril, it doesn't matter the material, the blood should follow laws of gravity and flow. if its on a surface, the blood should make a little pond below the """"hat""". if not, well, figure it out. ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:31pm
 Edit: -_-; you know how, on a sorta' rainy day, the rain drops cling to the edges of your unbrella befor falling down? that's kinda' what I was trying to do |
Posted By: MashPotato
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:35pm
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It's improved greatly from your first attempt, nice work I think there's too much blood on the brim; for example, how is the blood flowing upward so much? For the lightsource issue, i think more shadow could be added to the cap portion to our left; notice how the brim is in shadow at that point, but the light on the cap seems to go much further. I'm not great at lighting, but it seems a bit off there. EDIT: written before the edit ------------- http://theindiestone.com - the INDIE STONE |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:39pm
Sorry, don't see it, could you mabe point to it please? 
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:41pm
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*goes to make an edit/sample. **because you are really trying :) brb ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:42pm
| lol, thanks Xp |
Posted By: MashPotato
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:46pm
Quick edit to show you what I mean: EDIT: updated ------------- http://theindiestone.com - the INDIE STONE |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:54pm
| Ah, I see it now. I willz fix it now, thanks! =D |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 6:55pm
oh noes, I've been mashed   So very quick and rough because I want you to figure it out. I did first lightsource Secondary, if you feel brave ; ) And gravity blood flow. I may be slightly off. ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:03pm
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XD Thanks, I'll do the lighting @ Tater:  |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:20pm
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:22pm
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>>> Oh my! Now AA them thar edges. ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:27pm
| What's AA? *Prepares myself to be bricked* |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:39pm
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AA = anti-alias A technique used on the edges of pixelart to smooth jaggy areas. sample of AA - zoom and look at the blue flames on the edges notice how where there are steps in jaggies the colors go from dark to light colors. ../ws/player.asp?u=full/conceptcar03.gif">  Of course you can choose to, SelOut =Selective Outlining Zoom in and notice how the lineart is colored using different shades wher needed to smooth the edges as much as possible. ../ws/player.asp?u=full/whirlo.gif">  ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:53pm
Like this??? |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 7:57pm
| I g2g, see you tomorrow! Xd |
Posted By: InnerRayg
Date Posted: 02 October 2007 at 8:18pm
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Personally I just want to commend the amazing improvement, it actually -looks- like a hat now :P I kid, but still, it's very obvious now what you're going for. Before....well...yeah. |
Posted By: Hapiel
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 6:33am
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Originally posted by Skull Master Like this??? not really, you just changed the outline color.. AA tutorial: http://lollige.deviantart.com/art/Anti-Allias-by-hand-tutorial-65838400 ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 7:29pm
Oh, ok, then is this well AAed?: |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 7:58pm
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nopes, now its too much. AA's idea is to be... "subtle".
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 03 October 2007 at 8:36pm
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Yes, less than that meaning softer, while smoothing.
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Posted By: M.E.
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 12:51am
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Hello SkullMaster, Great improvement here! The red isn't doing it for me. Blood, like water, flows differently. If you would stop the flow at his nose , like you did with the other eye, I think it will be better. Looking forward to more great improvements!! Best regards from M.E. ------------- http://www.kunststukken.nl - KunstStukken.nl M.E. Art |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 2:16pm
This any better? : I'm not gonna change the blood, sorry, I just don't wanna right now... ^^; But thanks for the comment M.E. Xp |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 6:34pm
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I don't think there should be such a deep shadow right in the center of the.. err.. flap thing? It's curved, so the center should be your midtone, not your darkest shade. But yeah, great improvement ^__^ gj ------------- |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 6:53pm
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So what are you thinking for a background, or are you going transparent? ------------- |
Posted By: Skull Master
Date Posted: 04 October 2007 at 8:30pm
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leel: "At least I'm not claiming to a master in anything." lol, oops. Xp |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 05 October 2007 at 7:24pm
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I don't think that BG is the right call for this. The color is very wrong and the busy nature of it doesn't add to the subject at all. Maybe this is the kind of thing best left on a transparent BG. You have made this thread one of the best WIP threads in a long time. Your dedication to sticking it out and your ability to take and learn from the c+c given has earned you loads of respect and admiration. At least from me. I look forward to when its complete and added to the gallery so that you can move on with all your new learned skills. The Pixelween challenge has begun and I encourage you to enter it. As you well know, you can make a WIP thread and get help as you need it. ------------- |