[ TEAM ] - Dog Pound
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Printed Date: 09 June 2026 at 12:28am
Topic: [ TEAM ] - Dog Pound
Posted By: A.B.
Subject: [ TEAM ] - Dog Pound
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:03pm
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Sounds extremely cool! :D
I'm in!
what you expect to get from being part of the dog pound: Get better known with the artists and help beginners (I'm not one of these n00b-killers).
I also want to improve my skills. ------------- Mah sig. |
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Posted By: Platnium
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:07pm
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Okay i want to join. Out of it i want to get better at pixelling and see other peoples skills among me. Thats all. ------------- 
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Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:16pm
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This seems like an interesting enough idea. For now I'll just watch and see how it turns out.
-------------  "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso 
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Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:17pm
I'm a Ronin. I don't need a club to help the rest of the people. ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: Platnium
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:19pm
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is that guy from jurassic park.
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Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:21pm
kids  ...
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Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:25pm
The Professional, awesome movie. You've got great taste in movies Metaru. 
------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 12:27pm
I'm definitely in with my buddy Dogmeat. 
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Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 3:13pm
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This sounds like a great idea dogmeat. Good luck! (I'm not joining, lawl, i'm more of a cat person... although i am allergic to them so i'm sortof indifferent about the whole thing...)
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Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 27 November 2007 at 9:00pm
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hi guys. I am contributing because:
1- i also need to improve.
2- i want to spread th knowlege of pixel art to more and more people. I want to keep this art alive.
3- Have nothing to do all day but wait until a computer needs fixing ( i work as an IT guy) so i thought helping people improve would make time fly.
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Posted By: Club Beuker
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 2:24am
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Nice idea, I like it. This way you can share wisdom with eachother in a closer way. Maybe a nice adding to the club fun thing: - How about each week (or so) you pick a piece from someone that needs c&c. But instead of giving c&c you all make your own intepretation of how you should finish that piece (if he/she gives approve of that). So at the end you get like 6 different pieces which all started the same (an un-finished piece). P.S. the group should pick the piece and ask the owner if they can finish it. Don't send your "unfinished pieces" in so they can finish it. Good idea? Bad idea? Flame me if it s*cks :p |
Posted By: Skaka
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:46am
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Errr I thought PJ itself was like a club?
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Posted By: Club Beuker
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 7:00am
So this would be a club within a club 
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Posted By: Hapiel
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 9:21am
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To take over the world, my name has to be in EVERY list I can think of. so ill join, but I agree with met aswell.. I dont really see the use of this.. ------------- |
Posted By: Hapiel
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 10:19am
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Originally posted by dogmeat Also, everyone else, please let me know if you are going to participate in the C&C for skull masters WIP I posted earlier. I want to compile all of the C&C into a thread and start discussing sometime this week. why help outsiders? ------------- |
Posted By: Skaka
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 11:03am
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I have to be honest when I say I don't understand but good luck ^^
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Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 11:55am
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hey mutts, i discussed with dogmeat the following. We will create, ( later on ) a thread for posting all your ( and other PJ members ) pixel how to's. This thread is about how artists go about pixelling their images while explaining the decisions they made through out that time. Also in this thread we will have a featured artist every week where he/she writes their own how to. We are working on a format ( everyone is welcome to submit ideas) for these how to's so the thread wont start yet. ------------- |
Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 12:08pm
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This is a basic outline i made, anything you guys want to add. Remember this is to help you so what ever info you need from this how to please say so.  forgive my hand writing. the three dots mean the full explanation of each step. ------------- |
Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 1:03pm
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Dogmeat do you need badges? I can make some. And I'll make a guide I have a great idea for a banner too.
Something like that pic as a silhouette. Basically we'll have the dogs following each other.
Dog 1-----Dog 2------Dog 3 and so on, and they'll be running to the left and they'll have like a string holding baloons or something saying the Dog Pound.  -------------
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Posted By: Hapiel
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 1:07pm
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Originally posted by dogmeat Ooh I like your idea of having a strict template for the guest to use. To elaborate on spartans idea: 1. We will find a guest host ( think of a tv show ) to invite for the week to write the tutorial.
2. Once the guest host has accepted the offer ( lets use fool for this example ) we will send Fool the template ( sheet with 6 64x64 boxes ).
3. The guest will use the template to pixel some scene using their pixel style starting from the first box to the last documenting what they did in between in text.
4. Once done Fool would send the sheet back to us ( by posting it within this thread ) and we will discuss the sheet asking questions if needed.
5. Once we feel we have a solid tutorial that can be presented to the rest of the forum we'll throw the tutorial in the sticky PJ user tutorials thread which will be created to display these.
I think the question/answer phase is important so we can ask things like "what did you do prior to creating the lines", "how come you used this color, we don't understand, so others may not, if we get more information then everyone will understand"
We want to look these things over as if we were detectives, thinking not only of all angles, but outside of the box as well.
Great job so far Spartan, also, I've updated the first post in this thread to better outline what we're about. wow this is like exactly the idea I had in mind for pixel-pax (well not exactly, but the general idea of a weekly tutorial every week by some1 else..).. does this mean this is a good idea because others tought of it too, and so I have to use this, or does it mean it sounds stolen now and I have to think of other original thinkgs  ------------- |
Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 1:12pm
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I think that for activities some good ones could be like Improve this pallete, aa this piece with the given pallete, revise his pixel, anatomy practice, that sort of stuff. And I'm getting straight to work on some AA tutorials, some WIP step things, and much more! -------------
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 5:49pm
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How about we have a ranking system with the points? I've made all the rank images already then.
•0-29 points=Red Collar
•30-59 points=Blue Collar
•60-119 points=Green Collar
•120-199 points=Black Collar
•200-59=Red Spiked Collar
and so on like that?
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Posted By: Demon
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:05pm
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o.o
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:44pm
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Originally posted by dogmeat For our signature badge / banner I was thinking of something like this image: 
NO WAY !!!!!! Signatures in PJ are distracting to the pixels which is the main reason we are here. PS: NO WAY !!!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:45pm
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+1 NO WAY !!!!!!
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Posted By: Ensellitis
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:50pm
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+2 NO WAY !!!!!! Sigs should be small, damn small... like mine. anything over 50 pixels annoys the hell out of me ------------- There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:58pm
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Kinda like spartan's? And do you mean 50pixels tall or what? -------------
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Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 7:20pm
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50 pix tall is good. Width-wise it shouldn't stretch the page. Lol @ jals sig. Btw dogmeat nice work with all this. Kudos! ------------- http://larw-ck.deviantart.com">
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Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 28 November 2007 at 11:34pm
 how about something like this. ------------- |
Posted By: Club Beuker
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 12:27am
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Originally posted by dogmeat Originally posted by Club Beuker Nice idea, I like it. This way you can share wisdom with eachother in a closer way. Maybe a nice adding to the club fun thing: - How about each week (or so) you pick a piece from someone that needs c&c. But instead of giving c&c you all make your own intepretation of how you should finish that piece (if he/she gives approve of that). So at the end you get like 6 different pieces which all started the same (an un-finished piece). P.S. the group should pick the piece and ask the owner if they can finish it. Don't send your "unfinished pieces" in so they can finish it. Good idea? Bad idea? Flame me if it s*cks :p Good idea, as long as we get permission from whomever it is. The problem with that is that it may actually hinder progress for the artist so some kind of disclaimer along with the request to the artist should be sufficient.
With this, we may even want to include that user as part of an activity where we each do our interpretation of the piece ( finishing it as you said ) giving the user different perspectives on their art.
Club, did you want to join the Dog Pound?
Also, everyone else, please let me know if you are going to participate in the C&C for skull masters WIP I posted earlier. I want to compile all of the C&C into a thread and start discussing sometime this week. Join the club? I love to *hence the "club" in my name*  Have the time, skills, endurance, etc. ? I don't know, but I'll try to participate with all the free time I have. Well sort of hehe. (The thing is I'm only here while I'm at work) Put me on the list, and we'll see right? |
Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 9:17am
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im thinking of making an Anubis head, or maybe an Anubis spartan for my avy ( dont ask how this is possible)
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Posted By: A.B.
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 10:07am
 ------------- Mah sig. |
Posted By: Elwin
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 12:07pm
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I'd like to join here ^^ Any thing I need to do as some sort of... Registration? xD My reasons for joining: I''ll try to improve my pixelling :D |
Posted By: Elwin
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 12:37pm
| Thank you ^^ I'll try and find the WIP ^^ |
Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 2:06pm
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I've got our collars! Shall work on banner and the images.  -------------
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 29 November 2007 at 3:00pm
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Do you need any more icons? Oh yeah bulldog! -------------
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Posted By: Club Beuker
Date Posted: 30 November 2007 at 12:27am
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I just realised.. I'm a club within a club within a club.. How's that for some apples?
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Posted By: Skaka
Date Posted: 30 November 2007 at 12:28am
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My head hurts :(
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Posted By: Platnium
Date Posted: 30 November 2007 at 12:11pm
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So what size is the banner i'll have a stab at it.
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Posted By: theguy
Date Posted: 30 November 2007 at 3:15pm
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is it too late to join because this looks cool if not can I join
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Posted By: theguy
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 5:35am
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thanks :D
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 6:53am
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Do you like the bulldog? We could use that for our banner, just add text. -------------
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Posted By: A.B.
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 6:57am
Lil' update:
 Added shading and some shiny effects. :) ------------- Mah sig. |
Posted By: Ensellitis
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 1:08pm
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looks like a rat
------------- There's a pubic hair on my keyboard. What the f**k?? I "mow the lawn" so it's not mine. Gross. |
Posted By: l3m0n5
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 1:21pm
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is it too late to join? cuz ive been really wanting to up my pixel art skill level for quite some time and this organized critique clique seems like a real good way to do it....:P
So if its not too late, count me IN :D ------------- "Hate is my enemy, Life is short and Life is plenty, keep my eyes on my path cuz i know who sent me" |
Posted By: A.B.
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 1:27pm
Final edit:
 Good enough to be a banner? ------------- Mah sig. |
Posted By: A.B.
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 1:53pm
How about a userbar-ish look?
 ------------- Mah sig. |
Posted By: Skaka
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 2:02pm
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*looks into crystal ball* I predict that people may start pulling crits out of their a** to get brownie points, infuriating and frustrating the artist... ------------- Ars longa, vita brevis. |
Posted By: A.B.
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 2:05pm
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Originally posted by Skaka
*looks into crystal ball* I predict that people may start pulling crits out of their a** to get brownie points, infuriating and frustrating the artist... Dogmeat will check the C&C before giving points.
Right, dogmeat? ------------- Mah sig. |
Posted By: Skaka
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 2:22pm
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Fair enough.
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 4:56pm
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I'll have a go at these things again. Make them more realistic this time. -------------
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Posted By: Larwick
Date Posted: 01 December 2007 at 5:16pm
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Originally posted by dogmeat  Sweeet. ------------- http://larw-ck.deviantart.com">
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Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 10:22am
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hi dogmeat. my answers are : 1- I think everyone gave their point of view clearly and their advice even clearer, in all i think he has lots he can use, not everything, but still lots. 2- IMO it gave him different ways to view his pixel from the view of artists of different styles and different skills. 3- I would suggest to SM that instead of doing what we think is best, he should see why we think it is best and try a different approach than ours in a way to define his own style while retaining the solutions we gave him for the pixel's imperfections. Anyway he has gotten a really long way from where he started, he shouldnt find the rest as much of a problem as before. btw. im working on an Anubis dog pound banner, coming sometime soon. ------------- |
Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 10:40am
sorry 
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Posted By: Elwin
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 11:41am
Heh, yeah, my was a bit quick... ^^ Anyways, like this banner?  I know it's not as good as the others, but just wanted to know if it's good or bad ^^
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Posted By: riot
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 12:02pm
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sign me up sir. :D sounds good
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 3:55pm
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I call rotweiler and beagle! -------------
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Posted By: Acherhar
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 4:21pm
| Hey dogmeat, I'd like to join. I'm really looking forward to improving my skills, and I'd love to help others out by giving C&C, and at the same time improving my C&C skills as well. |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 5:47pm
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I believe its a good moment to clarify something about my participation on this activity. although I do support doogu's primary goal for this "group" by considering myself as a member, I won't be much of a real participant of it, mostly because two big reasons. first, because I am limited by my -still- poor english to give a proper comment and a solid critique in the for of text. However, I always try to drop something more elaborated than a simple "looks great". second and most important reason is, as I stated on my first post, I do not need a Flag to do what I do. this means that, even when I am consider myself as a member of this movement(by the reason I posted at the begining), I am not worried to follow its guidelines. but, in any case, feel free to rate and critique my comments. Best regards from Metaru ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 6:17pm
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also remember the gold rule of this: ITS NOT ABOUT THE PRIZES ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 6:58pm
Actually it is about prizes, self esteem is the best kind of prize.  Metaru your English is better than most people who speak it as they're native language. And like I said, I'll watch for a little bit before I go joining any cults. ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: Acherhar
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 7:18pm
| I agree with greenraven, your English is near perfect. I'm willing to bet you're better at it than half of the people I go to school with. |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 7:41pm
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That Metaru is as prompt as a clock. Every 27 days exactly he goes all emo. Maybe he's a chick, with the 'monthlys' ------------- |
Posted By: leel
Date Posted: 02 December 2007 at 8:02pm
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Originally posted by greenraven Metaru your English is better than most people who speak it as their native language. Sorry.. I had to. ------------- |
Posted By: Hapiel
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:43am
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Originally posted by jalonso Maybe he's a chick  ------------- |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 6:40am
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Originally posted by leel Originally posted by greenraven Metaru your English is better than most people who speak it as their native language. Sorry.. I had to. See, there you go, my point has been made. ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: Reo
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 9:39am
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i'll join!!
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Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 11:16am
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can i have my nick be blacky. He was a German Shepard that belonged to my neighbor, used to play with him back i when i was wee lil lad. Bless his soul, he died a few years ago ------------- |
Posted By: Elwin
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 11:42am
| Heh, can I be Pluto? Lol, it's the name of my dog :D |
Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 12:35pm
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Spartan117
1. What are your general thoughts on this persons C&C.
-Helped reinforce some of the previous ideas, mainly just agreed with rest of the group.
2. How was it helpful to Skull Master -He helped restate some important points
3. What would you suggest to this user that would improve the C&C they gave. -To actually put their own input in, not restate. -------------
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 03 December 2007 at 1:04pm
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I see, I'll do that then. -------------
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Posted By: Club Beuker
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 1:36am
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Lol Shakey... I'm all shook up uh-huh-huuuuuh *shakes hips*
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Posted By: spartan_117
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 2:02am
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Originally posted by Doomcreator0 Spartan117
1. What are your general thoughts on this persons C&C.
-Helped reinforce some of the previous ideas, mainly just agreed with rest of the group.
2. How was it helpful to Skull Master -He helped restate some important points
3. What would you suggest to this user that would improve the C&C they gave. -To actually put their own input in, not restate. firstly i talked about the light source which no one stated before. secondly i talked about how the mountains seem so smooth, reread the thread. Out of all the people who commented and some also restated , why you chose to do the questionnaire about me. And yes by restating i was actually sharing my opinion, its not my fault someone beat me to it. ------------- |
Posted By: skamocore
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 3:55am
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Fine...I'll join but I doubt I'll end up being very active in this doggy business... I'm only in it for the dog nickname...and I need a sig :P I'll try to make a dogBanner though |
Posted By: sputnik
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 2:36pm
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Count me in, too!
What you expect to get from being part of the dog pound: First and foremost improve my pixeling, and secondly become a more active member of the 'joint community. Started a rough for a fox terrier banner. Thoughts? 
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Posted By: sputnik
Date Posted: 04 December 2007 at 4:59pm
| Fox sounds great, navigating to the WIP thread now... |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 05 December 2007 at 2:26pm
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Don't forget to spay and neuter yourselves
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Posted By: theguy
Date Posted: 07 December 2007 at 1:13pm
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I thought I was called wolfy at first I also think it sounds better so can I have that as my name
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 07 December 2007 at 2:13pm
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I want to be either Lou or Zion :P
And I think a great activity would be "find the fleas!"
You could put a piece of artwork with a bunch of fundamental errors and you could fix and refine it.
 Also, are we going to use my badges? The collars? -------------
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Posted By: riot
Date Posted: 07 December 2007 at 2:58pm
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when is the next challenge, its too late for me to finish :D.
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Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 07 December 2007 at 8:55pm
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Originally posted by jalonso That Metaru is as prompt as a clock. Every 27 days exactly he goes all emo. Maybe he's a chick, with the 'monthlys'  ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: FrankieSmileShow
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:15am
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the thing about commenting on C&C... im not sure its a good idea. The problem is that when you give crits with in mind the fact that youre SUPPOSED to give crits of a certain quality, you're not in the same mindset than if you just try to criticize a piece. Theres a risk that dog pound participants will see mistakes that arn't really there, or unconsciously tend to exaggerate in their comments. A solution could be to only select a topic AFTER comments and crits were made. This way, participants wont actually know which topic will be reviewed as they comment on them, and will just have to watch the overall quality of their crits and comments rather than just aim at one single topic and comment the snot out of it, possibly misleading the author by mistake in the wake of their competition-driven enthusiasm. Just a thought. :P |
Posted By: skamocore
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 8:24am
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Excellent point, Mr Frank! Great comment on commenters commenting on comments ------------- |
Posted By: FrankieSmileShow
Date Posted: 09 December 2007 at 2:21pm
| Curses! My plan has been foiled again! |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 8:53am
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lol yeah
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Posted By: Platnium
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 11:13am
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Hi,heres mine: It is currently waiting for approval,so i couldn't do a terrier,it didn't go to well. -------------
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Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 11 December 2007 at 4:22pm
exactly what is that supposed to be? a kangaroo?  ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: Pabloavvocato
Date Posted: 15 December 2007 at 10:05pm
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Is it too late to join The Dogpound? If not, may my nickname be "Snoop"? Then I'll be Snoop Dogg, haha. ^_^ ------------- 
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Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 15 December 2007 at 11:51pm
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yes, no, no.
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Posted By: Hapiel
Date Posted: 16 December 2007 at 8:53am
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no, yes, no.
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Posted By: ceddo
Date Posted: 16 December 2007 at 3:09pm
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yes, yes, YES!!! ------------- www.gammosaur.com - www.gammosaur.com |
Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 16 December 2007 at 8:40pm
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well, everything is closed untill new year's eve.
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Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 18 December 2007 at 3:28pm
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Or until Dogmeat get's back. Which ever comes first. -------------
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Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 23 December 2007 at 10:17am
While uploading at tinypic.com, saw this and thought about you puppies : ) ------------- |
Posted By: Indigo
Date Posted: 23 December 2007 at 1:28pm
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so pretty much all the active members of this forum are now in the "dog pound"? This whole thing seems silly to me. you've created a partisan forum amongst the users. The only partisan thing of a forum should be it's moderators in my opinion. On another note, what qualifies a person in the 'dog pound' over a regular forum member to give honest critique and such. (or anything your group does, for that matter?) maybe I'm just confused on the purpose of such a thing, but it doesn't seem like much to me. Correct me if I'm wrong. ------------- |
Posted By: Doomcreator0
Date Posted: 23 December 2007 at 4:01pm
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We're not necesarily more "trusted" in critique. We're basically just a group of people that are just trying to help others get better as well as ourselves. Ask Dog, he'd be better at explaining this.-------------
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Posted By: Indigo
Date Posted: 23 December 2007 at 6:09pm
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isn't that the purpose of the forum already?! I don't see a need for this group. -but again, its just my opinion. Not trying to spoil the fun or whatnot ------------- |
Posted By: surt
Date Posted: 23 December 2007 at 6:41pm
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Being part of a group makes them feel special.
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Posted By: Metaru
Date Posted: 24 December 2007 at 8:51pm
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and gives us an excuse "to be part of ..." indeed. it is the forum's purpose already, just only with a flag waving over it. ------------- I ate leel's babies |
Posted By: skooba-dude
Date Posted: 18 January 2009 at 2:57am
just a joke, I needed a sig anyway, now I have one!.........
When dogpound gets up and running though I might make a canine one instead of a turtle sig, and then join if I can, meh.
 or I could start a new team-TURTLEPOND!! mwuhahahaha, Skooba-dude(TURTLEPOND!! leader)
edit: hang on a sec,
 I bet you haven't seen a dog that tough.  -------------
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