grafiti
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Category: Pixel Art
Forum Name: WIP (Work In Progress)
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Printed Date: 09 September 2025 at 11:56pm
Topic: grafiti
Posted By: Shark
Subject: grafiti
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 11:18am
ok heres a piece i made, need a lot of c&c for the grafiti words, im
not sure how to get a gd paint effect, i cant use dithering or shading
on individual letters because wen do u c a perfectley shaded piece of
grafiti.
i need a lot of crits. when ive completed this piece i may start a
comm collab with just the wall and sky, where every1 adds there
own tag.
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 11:29am
you have allot to learn about how graffitti is made... heres some things i
didnt think of before, to start the H looks like a Y, you could make the
black outline slightly thicker and mayb dither the edges to look like
spray, verry often in grafitti there are highligts you could put light
highlights on and dither the lines to look sprayed again.
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Posted By: inkspot
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 12:00pm
Its not graffiti since this done with computer. It is usual digital
image what represents a noofie wall and a sort of a writing what
doesn't mach up with the wall.
As for the graffiti part, this would be still graffiti, if this were on
real wall. Thats because its creative and it even reminded me those old
Pepes works at the first glance. And besides, there are no actual rules
on graffiti (Oh there is, and in that case, even the considered pros
does not end up with their art as grafiti artists, since crafito was an
art style in old Italy or somwhere).
But well, anyaways, I'd say this pixelwork is kind of crap.
Thhose bricks are familiar (remind me that ?Tsugmos? tutorial), but I
cannot argue on this point, really. Basically, thats no difference
either since you mainly exponated that "graffiti" piece.
BUT, as for pixelwork. There is shadows on the bricks but there is no
damn brick texture on the letters and whole that writing is pure
flatness itself.
It seems, that it is not pixeled at all. For me, it looks that you opened a ripped brick wall in photoshop, dragged some black lines on it as letter outlines and just colored it with usin paint bucket and like 50% opacy.
In that case, remove it or re-name the headline of this thread, as this forum stands for pixelart mainly.
And please, PLEASE do not make that thread what you mentioned, I begg you. At least not with that fantasy wall.
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 12:33pm
its not REAL grafitti obviously..... its just representing grafitti...
the fact that the words pixel res doesnt match up to the walls pixel res
doesnt matter... it is still pixel art, styleism you could say.
i agree this isnt a verry good peice YET! it is in the WIP section afterall..
there is brick shadows in the writeing but it is verry verry faint.
i think with all you have said it would be better to give some
constructive crits instead of just saying how u think its crap and its not
real graffiti. in the case of if the wall is ripped.. it may/may not be but if
its from a tutorial, whats to say he didnt just follow a tutorial.. nothing
wrong with that, tutorials are there to help pixelers
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Posted By: inkspot
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 2:06pm
I am used to consider non-pixelart a pixture what is constructed by
using just 50% opacy. In pixelart, there is no automated opacy option,
you just pixel the opacy itself.
I already gave some constructive critics: to not use opacy tool. And to make the brick shadows on the letters too.
How hard is it to read???
Its not about what I write, its more about what your minds read.
And i am not going to give crits on the graffiti side, since this is a pixelart forum.
And I have never seen anybody giving crits at graffiti side, as i have been in graffiti myself, including "pixelgraffiti".
I can just add that lose those sharp edges, sharp corners.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 2:11pm
i didnt rip the wall, i took the size of on of those bricks changed the
pallete highlights and dirt. as you sed its a tutorial. yes this is pixel
art. i only posted it for c&c so i dont see you saying "its crap" is
gonna help because altho it maybe "crap" thats why i posted it to
make it better. it is in the wip section and all i wanted was critique
not abuse!!!
im still open for c&C
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 2:17pm
gah so hard not to argue... but i see we see things in differnt ways
inkspot, most people i think would take it the same way me and shark
did. so lets just leeve it out now.... but this is reminding me of truth
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Posted By: inkspot
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 2:29pm
You are so negative. You just don't see the criticue and just see the
"crap" word. Omg, world is so ruined. Be damn happy! Happy people won't
see such words.
And I was not incuplating you as ripper, I only mentioned that that
wall is familiar. And if it is familiar, then it is not the same as
exact piece from somwhere, its just familiar, get the point?
I was only accusing you about posting fake-pixelart because of using the automated opacy. I am truly sorry if I am wrong.
That is my criticue, if you don't see, then its your problem and I am not going to waste my keyboard on this thread again.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by inkspot
Its not graffiti since this done with computer. It is
usual digital image what represents a noofie wall and a sort of a
writing what doesn't mach up with the wall.
Wow, you're one sharp tack. No sh*t it's not real graffiti, this is a PIXELART forum. And
noofie? For someone so omniscient you sure are a crappy speller.
Originally posted by inkspot
It seems, that it is not pixeled at all. For me, it looks that you opened a ripped brick wall in
photoshop, dragged some black lines on it as letter outlines and just colored it with usin paint bucket and like 50%
opacy.
If you had half a brain you'd know that the brick texture IS real
pixelart and he didn't 'rip' anything. Do a little research before
blatant accusations are made, dick. I get really pissed when people
falsely accuse honest artists of ripping/cheating.
Originally posted by inkspot
In that case, remove it or re-name the headline of this thread, as this forum stands for pixelart mainly.
I'm sorry, I missed the part where YOU BECAME ADMINISTRATOR. And this is
pixelart, as stated above.
Originally posted by inkspot
And please, PLEASE do not make that thread what you mentioned, I begg you. At least not with that fantasy wall.
so let me get this straight. You're telling him not to name the title
of his thread what the proper title should be, and you're calling it a
'fantasy wall"? Yeah, his piece could NEVER exist in real life. I want
you to find 5 things in this entire site that COULD exist in real life.
You'll find that people make what they choose to make, even if it
borders on "fantasy". Nothing has to be 100% practical and realistic,
because that's not what art is about. I'd really hate to see how you'd
react if you walked into a Picasso gallery. and by the way, if you're
going to put on this "arrogant, all-knowing" facade, atleast get your
spelling right.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 2:49pm
i was jusrt waiting for ryan come in
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 2:57pm
Originally posted by inkspot
You are so negative.
cough*HYPOCRITE*cough
Originally posted by inkspot
That is my criticue, if you don't see, then its your problem and I am not going to waste my keyboard on this thread again.
Good, dont waste your keyboard on the rest of this site, either.
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Posted By: inkspot
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 3:18pm
Oh damn it. Just when I tell people that I will not post here again,
comes in some "learn to spell" person. Well, at least you
understood my message.
I really aplogize on that rip thing, as this is not a rip, even I didn't mean it so hard. I am sorry, I apologize!
And now I am going to quote that noofie.
"i cant use dithering or shading
on individual letters because wen do u c a perfectley shaded piece of
grafiti.
"
I somehow read from this, that he wants it to be like real graffiti. Hmm..
And ryan, you didn't really get
the idea. You cannot name this as graffiti, and there are no such
things as graffiti letters. Original graffiti was ripped from like
basic washing-powder (mind me, if you name it different), wrappers and
packages. So, graffiti would be everywhere, then? And why not is Arial
text format graffiti, then?
And placing pixelated graffiti (yes, lets name it so, not just graffiti) on a wall from like fantasy genre,
is, for me, plain ridiculous, because if you make graffiti, or
pixelated graffiti, then I assume, that you want to exponate the piece
of graffiti, not the piece of wall, and from that point, graffiti suits
better on a flat wall. You can take it as a crits also. That fantasy thing was more like a metaphor.
And from the heading aspect, I am not the moderator nor administrator,
but I red the dam so-called rules post about the headings.
Yes, I am that kind of a nitpicker.
About my spelling. In that point, go f**k yourself, dick.
Shark, yes, wait till the
bigger arguing masters come and argue for you, as you cannot handle it
(I like to argue). Yes, lets fight it, head aginst head, balanced.
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by inkspot
Yes, lets fight it, head aginst head, balanced.
ew... no. I'm not in this thread to "fight", I'm in it to make a point.
You can keep on replying if you want, I just felt something needed to
be said to counter-balance your outrageous post.
Originally posted by inkspot
About my spelling. In that point, go f**k yourself, dick.
Oh, thats a good point
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Posted By: Saboteur
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 4:00pm
Frig, dude. There's no need at all to be so picky. Or literal, for that matter.
The artist decided to pixellate some graffiti on a wall. It represents what he knows as graffiti, namely someone tagging a structure with their sign or name or whatever. I don't really know what you're trying to say about the do's and dont's of graffiti, but I do know that you've made little to no effort to point out what you don't like about the pixel art itself. You've just claimed that its not pixel art or graffiti. What, you expect him to spray-paint his monitor and send us a picture?
Also, I had to battle through what you wrote to figure out what you said. At least Truth could spell, and was very clear about his arguments, however corrupt they seemed.
Alright, on to the actual C&C. What's with the top of the wall? Not sure what's going on there. Looks like shorter bricks...
All of the painted area is completely flat, definitely add the rises and dips of the brick. You probably knew that, but I say it anyways.
The circle in your target is off-center, and the target could use some AA. Also, why is it that the last letter is the only one without design in it? Oh, and the purple letter's inner design looks pretty jagged.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 4:06pm
thanks for some real c&c saboteur. Inkspot nobody wants a battle,
and i dont want people to argue for me because thats not what the
wip section is about. nobody cares about ur definitons of grafiti. all
this negativness is a dead ringer of truth. all i wanted was some c&c
and all ur crap was irralavent, if u had no real c&c why bother
replying to my topic with a bunch of sh*t wen all it does is make
people argue and hate u.
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 4:15pm
Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 4:17pm
none of it wood b hear apart from saboteurs and one of urs lol
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Posted By: inkspot
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 4:18pm
I gave you the CC, like two times at least and still you don't notice it, only thing you see are all those "off" words.
I repeat myself again.
Do not use automated opacy on pixelart, it doesn't give you the right tones and it usually messes up the shadows. It loses the contrast, as for this seem to be important for you all.
That writing just doesn't seem to "fit" on that wall. There are no brick shadows on the letters, as I have said before.
And I already told you that this reminded me those old Pepes works at first glance. You can consider this as a good thing though...
Got it now?
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 4:22pm
there are shadows on my screen make ur esolution brighter
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Posted By: inkspot
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 4:23pm
Originally posted by Shark
there are shadows on my screen make ur esolution brighter
On the letters, there are no shadows, still, only the lines of bricks.
And the white outline could still use some contrast a bit, as white is a really contrasty color, so, it darkens out every inner-curve.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 5:52pm
ok thank you now were getting somewhere
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Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 10:00pm
Inkspot has been warned.
Now let's keep this thread on topic please.
Tried a crack at deconstructing what I found to be some key issues for me on this image. Firstly, you really need to do some research on graffiti and find some reference images online of some kickass artists all over the globe that do this for a living.
Anyways, I've explained myself visually here:

- First, I removed the background and cleaned up the image
- Segregated the first letter to show as an example
- removed silly pink polka dots (have you ever seen a graffiti artist make polka dots???) and added simple (and quick) dark grey border to the letter. You can use any colour you'd like but, I've always seen a black or white tone to outline letters.
- some quick pixels to showcase paintspills dripping and some dithering to show the blend of dark grey and the red.
- larger verison of #4
- NEW bricks. Keep it simple but add some details.
- Overlapped the bricks and changed colour tone to match red and grey areas. There should be definite indentations that aren't seen in your original.
Again, I didn't want to redo the picture for you. I just wanted to quickly pixel what could be done to make it esthetically more pleasing. I hope this helps!
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Posted By: ryan-gfx
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 10:12pm
Pixelblink, opacity is all fine and good, but it is kinda cheating.
The proper way to make it would be to paintstakingly make each brick
indention without opacity, while using a set ammount of colors. It'd be
tough, but atleast geniune pixelart.
But if he's a beginner that might be too hard, there's always making grafitti on a flat surface.
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Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 24 August 2005 at 10:28pm
Ryan, in the end it's about what looks good and what doesn't for me. The opacity doesn't work well with this one I do agree but, it is just an example to show how there needs to be definition in the bricks. Definite indentations as I said. Also, a lack of limited colour palettes don't make something not "true" pixelart. The only time you NEED limited palttes are when you are doing work for games or other program images that have palette limitations built into them... though I agree again that it is good practice.
I agree that making this piece on a flat surface to begin with might be a good idea. Perfect the graffiti, then add extra details.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 7:07am
thanks guys i dont have much time at the moment but i will probably
redo most of this piece. pb thats a big help on the grafiti front i will
use the technic u have given me and will work with it. i will probably
posty an update sometime next week as i have to go to an
anniversary this weekend.
update: changed bricks so i cant be accused of ripping. how do this
look?
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Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 3:42pm
looks better but again, those bricks don't have any definition within the letter. This isn't a poster on a wall, it's graffiti and should still retain some of the bricks indentations. On that note, I'd would still complete the graffiti before adding the brick wall.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 4:01pm
ok thanks for tip. i will finish letters and effects first and add brick
details.
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Posted By: Saboteur
Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 4:31pm
Have you tried recolouring the bricks instead of overlaying a translucent layer? Changing the colour of the bricks themselves would keep some of the brick's definition. Maybe a combination of both would work well, too... try other things, transparent overlaying isn't really working for ya.
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Posted By: Wannahlakujuu
Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 4:37pm
That would work quite nicely. Shark, I think you should make a few more varieties of bricks, so it doesn't all the same.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 25 August 2005 at 4:47pm
saboteur : i will play around with lots of things in the morning
wannahlakujuu: yeah i will do something like that just to break up
the repeatativeness
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 26 August 2005 at 3:33am
get a brick layer ontop of the grafitti and change it to an overlay...
simple and easy way to get all of the bricks defenition :)
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Posted By: Di0xygen
Date Posted: 26 August 2005 at 5:01am

You see, you dont need to actually use opacity. If you do you give a
see through effect and thats not very realistic nor appealing. Try to
only imagine how the paint would apply on the wall texture.
For instance you still see the cracks between the brick, the big dents
paint is a liqiuid therefor it willl fill holes and other irregularity in the wall.
Most of the wall details are lost, even the line of hole in that picture is hard to see due to the paint over it.
So my big guess is to simply shade the cracks between your wall jus
like in the image above. and you will have a pure good looking pixelart
grafitti
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Posted By: inkspot
Date Posted: 26 August 2005 at 6:16am
Yes, wall detail is lost, but well, it depends on a wall too. Depends on a brick type or tehere is no brick at all.
Anyway, if you want crits only on graffiti side, then why post a wall at all? Graffiti is not drawn as on the wall, only final production is on the wall, but the wall itself is not a part of graffiti. So as I read from the first post, the thread starter wanted main comments to be on graffii side, he wants to improve graffiti letters etc.
So, why bother a wall at all?
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 26 August 2005 at 7:23am
i think i mainly wanted crits on how to accomplish a pixel grafiti, but
di0ygen makes a very good point. the paint woul fill tiny cracks and
only the basix outline of the bricks would be seen: however in pixel
art it wouldn't look as real if there were no details of bricks.
back to the drawing board.
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Posted By: Maestro
Date Posted: 26 August 2005 at 8:26am
He's making the wall because of his collaboration project.
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Posted By: inkspot
Date Posted: 27 August 2005 at 6:28am
Why you need a brick wall? Just simple flat wall strip as usual. Brick wall would be just disrespect to the graffiti.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 31 August 2005 at 6:51am
update, decided to start working on this again.
need thoughts and c&c, btw the wall is staying
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Posted By: Rifts
Date Posted: 31 August 2005 at 1:10pm
allot better not shore what else can be done :/
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Posted By: Icy
Date Posted: 31 August 2005 at 3:20pm
The only thing I can see wrong, is that the brick wall is gray.
If you look at some google pics you can see a tint of red or yellow.
But the grafiti looks great.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 31 August 2005 at 3:38pm
thanks, i think ill leave it grey because its supposed to be like stone
rather than brick.
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Posted By: pixelblink
Date Posted: 31 August 2005 at 9:13pm
still not liking the brick wall dude. I think this piece would be better off without it. The graffiti itself looks great. Can we see a version without the bg?
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 01 September 2005 at 9:32am
ok changed the wall to a more simple wall, i think it looks better
colourwise and also the slight bevel of the brick shows more. any
crits or is it ready for uploadation?
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Posted By: Wannahlakujuu
Date Posted: 01 September 2005 at 12:03pm
I like this new wall much better, great work. Not liking the drips much though.
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Posted By: Saboteur
Date Posted: 01 September 2005 at 1:58pm
The wall now has no texture whatsoever. Put some subtle hand texturing in there, to break up the wall's monotony.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 01 September 2005 at 2:40pm
will do, will post update later.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 7:05am
here we go i thin its ready for uploadation but i wanna to know if
there are more crits before it goes up cos i dont want loads of
comments saying u need work when its been here for like 2 weeks
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Posted By: Wannahlakujuu
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 1:43pm
You are trying too hard. I have never seen a wall that cracked. Well, I have but that isn't the point.
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Posted By: Pixel_Outlaw
Date Posted: 03 September 2005 at 9:22pm
I know why it looks wrong, the paint color blends with the brick color, you need the paint to have the same shading as the bricks but only the paint color, the color merging gives the obvious blended transparenct effect. I don't know an easy way to fix the blending, looks OK for a game though...
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 04 September 2005 at 8:58am
edit:
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 4:59am
Well there havent been any more crits on this so its being uploaded
http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/5629.htm - http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/5629.htm
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Posted By: Pixel_Outlaw
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:01am
It looks very nice!one last detail though, most grafitti has a sharp highlight on the letter cornes sort of like chrome reflecting the sun, i guess id be like a star hape.
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Posted By: Shark
Date Posted: 05 September 2005 at 8:07am
i had a look on googel, but i coodnt find any images of what u
describe, can u find me a picture, if not ill just leave it
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