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URL: https://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9189
Printed Date: 09 September 2025 at 5:38pm
Topic: -Resolved-
Posted By: AngelOTG
Subject: -Resolved-
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 9:42pm
Okay, so I need to know if this bear was a rip. Here's the evidence presented: This was what they presented as counter-proof:  Does it look like a rip to you? Kinda' need as much evidence as possible... |
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Posted By: cure
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 10:12pm
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does this look like a wip to you? topic moved. and no, it doesn't particularly look like a rip. |
Posted By: minipuck
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 10:35pm
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So what should be ripped, the head of the big bear or the small bear?
------------- http://dragcave.net/viewdragon/G3eW"> 
please click it, otherwise it will die, and it seems special. |
Posted By: AngelOTG
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 10:38pm
| The big bear is the accused rip. |
Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 11:06pm
 The image is a bit misleading, this is the area I'm concerned about. Angel is just trying to help me out here. n.n;; |
Posted By: Hapiel
Date Posted: 01 October 2009 at 11:52pm
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I assume it is highly referenced. What does the artist itself say about it?
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Posted By: minipuck
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 6:04am
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colors are different, but it looks like he took part of the lineart, and did use the shading the other guy used as a ref.
------------- http://dragcave.net/viewdragon/G3eW">
please click it, otherwise it will die, and it seems special. |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 6:57am
http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6269 - Highly relevant to topic .  *The lecture finger was in no way, shape, or form really necessary, but I just felt like being a big man. :D -------------  "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso 
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Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 9:14am
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Over half those images are broken, so can you explain please?
The artist of the original? That would be me. I say it's been distorted/color changed. The similarities are too close for coincidence, as others I've spoken to, and the accused "theif" (for lack of a better term) and their superior claim). The artist of the new piece? I've been denied a chance to speak with them as of this point in time. |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 9:35am
I really don't see this as a rip. If every little thing that looked like something else was frowned upon, then art as a whole would become stagnant and very much so dead.  Because if we start following the whole "it looks too much like mine" logic then over three fourths of the gallery would be in an uproar because of the "I made my piece in the (X) style". ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 9:43am
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Unfortunately this isn't "every little thing." It isn't a question of style, either.
My claim is that the image looks like my original distorted in an attempt to make it different. Copy image + paste in photoshop + transform + additional crap in furthered attempt to make it different = that thing. That's my theory. |
Posted By: Hatch
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 9:58am
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This looks highly suspect to me. The head shape in particular is just way too similar for me to easily accept that it's just a coincidence.
I do not understand what the counter-proof is meant to demonstrate. ------------- |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 10:18am
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Originally posted by marova My claim is that the image looks like my original distorted in an attempt to make it different. I really hate to drag in an innocent bystander into this, but... http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/43694.htm - Not so different than this topic. "An original artist is unable to copy. So he has only to copy in order to be original." ~ Jean Cocteau I understand if someone just took your piece and put their name on it. That's inexcusable. But what is a learning process I ask you? Imitation with variation. Everything is always going to looking like something else. I'm willing to bet my soul that I can probably take one of the almighty Fool's early pieces and find something, somewhere, and say that he just "ripped it". It's your piece, you're feel to voice your opinions in any matter you want. But I for one am tired of hearing these type of complains. Art is art. Everyone just needs to chill the f**k out and learn to relax and loosen up that stick up the arse a little bit. XD Those are my two cents, feel free to take'em or leave'em. XD ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: ellie-is
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 10:58am
| Its either heavily referenced, or ripped. The shading on both of pieces are really similar, and the head shape too. But there are some minor details that look different. Maybe that person could be looking at yours while doing theirs, and it ended up looking almost the same. There is no way to be sure though. |
Posted By: AngelOTG
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 11:08am
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This isn't a simple "they stole it and I'm mad" case. They are selling the piece and making a decent amount or personal gain.
That's why we're so eager to get this resolved. |
Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 11:16am
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Greenraven; I am not so certain you grasp what I'm saying here, and I know I don't understand/see the relevancy in the things you've posted. You seem to be basing your post off of your ideals. Please correct me if I am wrong.
If it is at the very least reffed, I should still be able to ask the artist and his administrator to take down the reffed piece - this isn't just somebody's exploration into pixel art. This is an item being used on a site like Gaia Online. If wanted people to ref my work (which already serves a purpose beyond being my own personal art), I would expressly say so. And if this is a case of extreme referencing, the artist could have at least had the decency to ask first. |
Posted By: jalonso
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 12:30pm
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I find nothing that says this was ref'd from this actual piece. All these cute bears look alike and there are a million of them. Even if this was the actual ref piece it is distinctly unique enough that it does not need a ref credit...really. ------------- |
Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 12:33pm
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You wouldn't find anything that says so. I found the artwork on a site I'm registered at, and honestly the two are just too damn similar.
And no, they don't all look alike. I've seen enough to know. |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 12:48pm
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Originally posted by marova Greenraven; I am not so certain you grasp what I'm saying here, and I know I don't understand/see the relevancy in the things you've posted. You seem to be basing your post off of your ideals. Please correct me if I am wrong. Alright, fine, let's take this a little slower then. XD Just quickly explain to me your first reactions about http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/43694.htm - this piece . Don't think about how it's related to the topic at hand, or anything, just look at it, and give me your impressions. What do you think about the piece? ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 1:11pm
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Seems like to me he wanted to see how close he could get to looking like that particular style.
I honestly can't say if he accomplished that or not, since I've never played the game and am not familiar with that style. |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 1:27pm
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Here's a quick google search then... (I couldn't find the exact screenshots I had in mind, these will have to do.) Game 1  Game 6  Piece  The 6th game's vibrant atmosphere with the 1st game's graphical style. Everything and anything is going to be the same if you look hard enough for it. ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 3:04pm
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Uh...no. Those pieces are the same because they are supposed to be the same, or similar. And really, I should replace the word same with similar, because they really aren't the same at all. And the nature of those images is not the same nature of the ones I last posted. You might argue that that is also what the artist of the reffed bear wanted for their piece, but it doesn't matter - I don't want my work being referenced like this, to the point where it looks like all they've done is taken my piece and distorted it. |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 3:30pm
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Even if your original piece was referenced, and I stress that 'if' because I'm not all too convinced, it's different enough not to be considered a rip. Influenced by? Yes, maybe. Ripped? No. Like I said, if they just took your piece and put their name on it, that's one thing. This is something else. You are obviously free to demand whatever you want from that other artist, whether he/she did or did not reference your work, but personally I think you're making a big deal out of nothing. It's all about how you choose to look at things.  ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 3:41pm
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Have you actually looked at the second image and analyzed it or what? It's incredibly hard to deny something deeper, like image distortion. Well, I don't think I am. I'd like to see how you'd react if you were in my shoes right now. |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 3:58pm
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A) I can analyze till the cows come home. Have you ever seen a character template for most games? They are all roughly 90% the same. I'm sure there's 1,000 other bears out there floating on the internet that you could make the same claim about. XD B) Been there, done that. Though mine was an oil painting, but the principle is still the same. Someone saw something of mine they liked, so they decided to put it into something they like, I don't see where the problem is. I dunno, I guess I have a very lax view on life. XD As I said, I think you're wasting your time, but it's clearly your time to waste. XD ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 4:05pm
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A) Guess what though? They're templates! My work is NOT a template, and it is not to be compared to/used as one. =/ I highly doubt there are 1000s of bears on the interwebz that look almost identical to mine. Highly doubt it. B) Good for you that you feel that way, but what I'm asking for here in this thread is help with the evidence. If you cannot do anything other than try to tell me I'm wrong for pursuing this, or that I'm wasting my time, I have nothing more to say to you. |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 4:18pm
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A) I'd like to take that bet. Though I guess 1,000 might be a bit much. :P B) You asked "IF" it was a rip. As in you want an opinion. I gave it to you, and since you don't like my answer you're just going to ignore me? Touchy much? XD ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 4:34pm
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A) Go right ahead. B) Actually, I didn't. Angel =/= me. I still don't even know what a rip is. |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 5:22pm
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Originally posted by marova I still don't even know what a rip is. Well if you mentioned that in the first place we wouldn't be where we are now. XD Seeing how you don't really know what a rip is, and seeing how I was practically clobbering you over the head with the fact that it's not, I'd like to apologize for being ass. Little details like that are helpful to know before starting a conversation. Again, sorry. XD It's like the whole newb and noob thing, I'll kill you over one, and give you hugs and kisses over the other. Little details, very important. XD ------------- "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso
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Posted By: Shrub
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 6:20pm
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Okay, what's meant to be ripped here? Are you saying you think the "Bridget" pink bear is a rip of the chibi-fied mini bear? Or the chibi-fied mini bear is a rip of the large bear? Or the pink and chibi-fied bears are rips of the large bear? |
Posted By: marova
Date Posted: 02 October 2009 at 8:16pm
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Raven; well I did mention that I didn't really understand what you were talking about, but oh well lol. Apology accepted :> Shrub; Scroll down till you get to the next pic - those two are the ones being compared. |