are constructive crits a standard in comments?
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Printed Date: 13 September 2025 at 6:46am
Topic: are constructive crits a standard in comments?
Posted By: meagz
Subject: are constructive crits a standard in comments?
Date Posted: 14 December 2009 at 2:41am
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um, ok, so yes i admit i'm new here and havent really lurked at all so i dont know what the standard is around here, but i was very taken aback when the first thing i posted was criticised.
its not that i don't mind constructive criticism, i just wasn't expecting it, especially as i was posting a finished piece. so i was hoping someone could explain to me the standard comment etiquette, and is there an option to... not get criticism? |
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Posted By: jeremy
Date Posted: 14 December 2009 at 4:17am
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Criticism is a part of what the gallery's about here :3
I assume you're from DA? The criticism you receive should never be felt as a personal attack, it's just how things happen on PJ. Don't let it discourage you; the people commenting should never be needlessly hurtful and I personally am glad for any things I've overlooked being pointed out. People post suggestions in the form of edits and everything, the critique is not simply rating a piece but noticing things you can improve. (I'm sure if you say nicely in your description that you would prefer no critique, people will do as you ask. It will, however, most likely reduce the amount of comments you get ;) ) Maybe even have a go at critiquing others' work too :D |
Posted By: Hatch
Date Posted: 14 December 2009 at 8:38am
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Originally posted by meagz
is there an option to... not get criticism? Absolutely not. Professional and dedicated artists thrive on criticism and it will never be discouraged here. 1) It's not personal, ever. If it is, then it's not critique--it's a flame, and action will be taken against the poster. 2) No piece, even by the best artist ever, is so good it can't be improved. Thus all pieces could benefit from critique, not just yours. So again, it's not personal. 3) The critiques are directed at the art, not at you. This is why, even if you get really harsh, blunt critique, you shouldn't take offense because it's not directed at you, it's directed at the particular piece... once again, it's not personal. 4) Just because someone offers a point of critique doesn't mean you have to accept it or even acknowledge it (though you should consider all critique carefully and make sure you're not just rejecting it based on an emotional reaction). I strongly recommend you read http://pixeljoint.com/2007/09/06/2316/Surviving_A_Pixel_Art_Forum_-_The_9-step_program.htm - Surviving a Pixel Art Forum - The 9-step program , particularly step 4 (I don't know whether or not you're a doller, but it doesn't matter--step 4 just deals a lot with coming from other communities where critique is uncommon or prohibited). ------------- |
Posted By: greenraven
Date Posted: 14 December 2009 at 9:02am
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Originally posted by meagz so i was hoping someone could explain to me the standard comment etiquette, and is there an option to... not get criticism? We speak our mind. And yes, there is an option, it's called: "Don't submit anything."  And I looked at your one single piece, pffft, I've seen worse. Much, much, worse. (Comments, I mean.)  -------------  "pwnage comes with patience, practice and planning." ~ Jalonso 
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Posted By: Manupix
Date Posted: 14 December 2009 at 9:48am
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Since I did some of that crit on your piece, I might as well try to explain ;). I'm sorry you felt bad about it, I could read that in your answer. But, as others have said above, CnC is the main purpose of PJ, both forum and gallery. Most members do expect it, all are encouraged to give it too. Feedback on your art will help you, and the person giving it, and everyone reading it afterwards ('em lurkers, do that too!). True, not all crits are relevant, and as Hatch says, you're free to dismiss the contents of crits. But you shouldn't dismiss the crit itself. The person giving it took of their time to give a close look at your art, and write something about it. I also understand some crits can be hard on the receiving end: a heap of relevant but blunt information might hurt a beginners motivation. I for one am not always careful enough about that, I'm afraid. But as Green said, the crits on your piece were of a rather mild kind, not forgetting positive feedback and encouragements too! So I really hope you come to appreciate this feature of the PJ community (and http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php - this community too). Speaking only for myself, I couldn't have believed 6 months ago the kicks I'm getting every day from looking at, studying and doing PA. This mostly results from the fantastic amount of feedback that has been piling around here, for us dedicated pixel pushers to get inspiration from. This being said, you're always free to post something like 'no CnC please' in your descriptions. We'd be sorry for that, but we'd have no hard feelings either. Looking forward for your bashing my work!  Edit: Hatch, great link, thx! |
Posted By: Anoniguy
Date Posted: 14 December 2009 at 5:10pm
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Getting a lot of feedback is a blessing, even if the feedback is harsh. If nothing else, it means at least someone is -looking- at your work. It gets very frustrating to submit a piece and have it sit, for days on end, with no feedback at all, or limited feedback like "this is cool' or 'i don't like this'. At that point it's as if your work doesn't exist at all. What would be truly wonderful is if there were a nice NPA art site with as many skilled and friendly users as PJ who would give honest C+C. My art would be twice what it is today if I'd always been getting as much brutal crit as people here offer. ------------- http://tillmyhands.blogspot.com/ - Till My Hands Fall Off: My Daily Sketch Blog |
Posted By: IQbrew
Date Posted: 14 December 2009 at 6:41pm
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http://pixeljoint.com/2007/09/06/2316/Surviving_A_Pixel_Art_Forum_-_The_9-step_program.htm - "Surviving a Pixel Art Forum - The 9-step program" How did I miss that? Anyway, you should add in a filler step so it equals 10, like they did with the commandments. |
Posted By: meagz
Date Posted: 14 December 2009 at 7:46pm
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Originally posted by Jeremy
Criticism is a part of what the gallery's about here :3 I assume you're from DA? The criticism you receive should never be felt as a personal attack, it's just how things happen on PJ. haha, yep. i was on DA, once, but that was a long time ago  and like hatch suggested, i was a doller - its what got me into pixel art (waaaay back in... 2000). so yeah, coming from those communities to PJ is a step in a different direction.
but im a big girl, i can handle it  god knows i can dish it out
it was an emotional reaction, i'll admit, but thinking about it now (after finally having a day off from working in retail where people abuse me left right and centre) i do appreciate criticism, i guess i just really wasn't expecting it. perhaps PJ can implement a 'getting started' guide when new members join? that link to 'surviving a pixel art forum' was really helpful, i just wish i'd seen it before starting this thread
oh and thankyou, everyone |