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Posted: 13 December 2006 at 10:13am

I'm not gonna be able to work on this for the next three days, so any comments on the lines would be nice, especially the hands and feet. Any help on thsoe would be appreciated thanks.

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Posted: 13 December 2006 at 12:19pm

The thing that stands out to me first is that he appears to have one leg. At this angle I think we would still be able to see his right leg. I am guessing that the shape between the two hands is his right foot, but it isn't connected to anything.

If this islike a gorilla type of creature then I think the brow should be lowered and more pronounced, to give him that ape-ish appearance. Also, I think that while the angle of his left hand is pretty good, the right hands angle seems strange. And finally, I feel that the fingers are a bit long. If you look at a gorilla, they walk with their hands not as fists, but almost in a palm strike sort of position, so that they are walking using their 2nd part of the finger to distribute the weight rather than on a fist.

I think that the hairy parts look pretty good right now, and the overall shape gets across what you are going for, but try looking at a few pictures of actual gorillas for a good reference on the stance and other features.

Ha, I wrote all that and for all I know it isn't even supposed to be an ape at all.

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Posted: 13 December 2006 at 9:45pm

Originally posted by Zetabot

...he appears to have one leg...the brow should be lowered and more pronounced...the fingers are a bit long...supposed to be an ape...

That sums it all up

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Twizzler
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Posted: 13 December 2006 at 9:49pm

his hands look like those sock'em boxers thingys. lol. maybe add some shading and texture so they look less like inflatable hands.

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Posted: 17 December 2006 at 4:54am

Hmm, trying out the hands, they look full of foam too me ...

Don't worry about the lines and door, didn't realise I uploaded ther larger version :<

Edited by 3_32 - 17 December 2006 at 4:54am

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Posted: 18 December 2006 at 4:57am

Hmm, ;_;

Anyway,

I think thats the basics down, now to actually shade it ... :<

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Posted: 18 December 2006 at 5:59am

The hands look great now. I don't know about that shade of blue tho

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Posted: 18 December 2006 at 6:29am

How about now, that a better colour?

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Posted: 18 December 2006 at 6:37am

Looks a lot better. The brow is better, everything is better, really. The only two things that are bugging me still is that his fingers on his right hand look a little strange to me and right foot still looks like it's coming from nowhere. His waist is very tiny.

Other than that it's really coming together, and again those are just my opinions. I hope we get to see some facial features with the next update.

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Posted: 18 December 2006 at 7:05am

Yes, its more interesting a shade, imo. I have to agree with zetabot on the rear leg. maybe some hint of a hip back there or something :/

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skeddles
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Posted: 18 December 2006 at 2:22pm

this is coming along nicely.one crit though: on the shading on his arm, make the second to last brown a little lighter....=] i think it would look a little better. cant wait to see this done =]

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Posted: 18 December 2006 at 2:27pm

Looks much better, but I think you should make a part of the hip visible behind the arm, because it does look like the foot is just hanging in midair.

On a different note, did you get inspired by the mantarilla? (made by helm i beleive) Just wondering, because it's the same posture, both beasts have the same body structure.. etc.

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Posted: 19 December 2006 at 12:17am

Damn, overwrit the file on upload :<

Thanks, Colours aren't my strong point. I played around a little with the skeleton, and really, cos the hips are so small, the arm seems to cover it no matter what, although if people think otherwise, feel free to doodle over mine, and I'll see what it looks like, cos otherwise I'll stick with

On that differnet note, I don' think I've seen it, I kinda just made this up as I went. :>

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Posted: 19 December 2006 at 7:43am

Wel, to me at least, with the way you drew the "skeleton" the top half of his body is twisted, like it is not facing the same way as his bottom half. Part of what may help that is again, messing with the lower half a little more. His legs connect directly underneath the waist and they are touching. The legs could stand to be a little more spread apart where they meet the body. Maybe with the feet around a distance of what you have the shoulders at. Looking at a human, or even a gorilla skeleton if you can find one, would help.

Also, and I know I am being a pain here, I think his feet could be a little bigger. His hands are very large but his feet don't really look like they would support him too well.

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Posted: 20 December 2006 at 9:20am

http://www.dundee.ac.uk/museum/zoology/bagful/2149.jpg

http://www.evolutionnyc.com/ImgUpload/P_72033_961775.jpg

OK, after looking at a few skeletons on gorillas I'm still not sure I should widen the hips, the feet definatly need work though, which I'll get on ASAP.

Edited by 3_32 - 20 December 2006 at 9:21am

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Posted: 20 December 2006 at 9:27am

You are right about the skeleton and how the leg is positioned. However since its a glaring thing that most viewers can get past. Maybe a solution is to bend the leg at the knee just enough to show a bit. Since you are reworking the feet. Maybe the back leg is bent forward a bit and the other leg bent back, as if in mid stride. Just a thought...

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Posted: 22 December 2006 at 10:39am

Its gone down hill, cos I'm so bloomin cold. But i've added a knee to the other leg, maybe it shows a little better now?

ALSO, still redoing the feet, I can't seem to shade at this temperature.

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Posted: 22 December 2006 at 1:36pm

i love this monster! i think hes sexy :P

love the grain texture on the flffy hair.

maybe you could put a little more detail into the eye parts ??

i think ill give it 9/10.

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Posted: 22 December 2006 at 11:14pm

That little bit of knee has helped it a gazillion times over. The foot to our right could use more of a \ rather than a |

With the ears pointing that far out you'll need to show the other one's tip too.

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Posted: 23 December 2006 at 12:05am

Cool thanks for the help, I'll get backj on it if I wake up, little tooo merry to do anything now, but glad the knee helped that problem. Thasnks guys, and merry Christmas

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3_32 Seaman Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24	Topic: Monster PA Posted: 13 December 2006 at 10:13am
	I'm not gonna be able to work on this for the next three days, so any comments on the lines would be nice, especially the hands and feet. Any help on thsoe would be appreciated thanks. Edit: Update Link 17-dec-2006 Edit: Update Link 18-Dec-2006 Edit: Update Link 18-Dec-2006 Edited by 3_32 - 18 December 2006 at 6:30am
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Zetabot Midshipman Joined: 28 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69	Posted: 13 December 2006 at 12:19pm
	The thing that stands out to me first is that he appears to have one leg. At this angle I think we would still be able to see his right leg. I am guessing that the shape between the two hands is his right foot, but it isn't connected to anything. If this islike a gorilla type of creature then I think the brow should be lowered and more pronounced, to give him that ape-ish appearance. Also, I think that while the angle of his left hand is pretty good, the right hands angle seems strange. And finally, I feel that the fingers are a bit long. If you look at a gorilla, they walk with their hands not as fists, but almost in a palm strike sort of position, so that they are walking using their 2nd part of the finger to distribute the weight rather than on a fist. I think that the hairy parts look pretty good right now, and the overall shape gets across what you are going for, but try looking at a few pictures of actual gorillas for a good reference on the stance and other features. Ha, I wrote all that and for all I know it isn't even supposed to be an ape at all.
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 13 December 2006 at 9:45pm
	*Originally posted by Zetabot* ...he appears to have one leg...the brow should be lowered and more pronounced...the fingers are a bit long...supposed to be an ape... That sums it all up
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Twizzler Midshipman Joined: 16 November 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 82	Posted: 13 December 2006 at 9:49pm
	his hands look like those sock'em boxers thingys. lol. maybe add some shading and texture so they look less like inflatable hands.

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3_32 Seaman Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24	Posted: 17 December 2006 at 4:54am
	Hmm, trying out the hands, they look full of foam too me ... Don't worry about the lines and door, didn't realise I uploaded ther larger version :< Edited by 3_32 - 17 December 2006 at 4:54am
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3_32 Seaman Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24	Posted: 18 December 2006 at 4:57am
	Hmm, ;_; Anyway, I think thats the basics down, now to actually shade it ... :<
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 18 December 2006 at 5:59am
	The hands look great now. I don't know about that shade of blue tho
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3_32 Seaman Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24	Posted: 18 December 2006 at 6:29am
	How about now, that a better colour?
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Zetabot Midshipman Joined: 28 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69	Posted: 18 December 2006 at 6:37am
	Looks a lot better. The brow is better, everything is better, really. The only two things that are bugging me still is that his fingers on his right hand look a little strange to me and right foot still looks like it's coming from nowhere. His waist is very tiny. Other than that it's really coming together, and again those are just my opinions. I hope we get to see some facial features with the next update.
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 18 December 2006 at 7:05am
	Yes, its more interesting a shade, imo. I have to agree with zetabot on the rear leg. maybe some hint of a hip back there or something :/
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skeddles Commander Joined: 08 April 2021 Online Status: Offline Posts: 636	Posted: 18 December 2006 at 2:22pm
	this is coming along nicely.one crit though: on the shading on his arm, make the second to last brown a little lighter....=] i think it would look a little better. cant wait to see this done =]

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ceddo Commander Joined: 01 June 2020 Online Status: Offline Posts: 466	Posted: 18 December 2006 at 2:27pm
	Looks much better, but I think you should make a part of the hip visible behind the arm, because it does look like the foot is just hanging in midair. On a different note, did you get inspired by the mantarilla? (made by helm i beleive) Just wondering, because it's the same posture, both beasts have the same body structure.. etc.
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3_32 Seaman Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24	Posted: 19 December 2006 at 12:17am
	Damn, overwrit the file on upload :< Thanks, Colours aren't my strong point. I played around a little with the skeleton, and really, cos the hips are so small, the arm seems to cover it no matter what, although if people think otherwise, feel free to doodle over mine, and I'll see what it looks like, cos otherwise I'll stick with On that differnet note, I don' think I've seen it, I kinda just made this up as I went. :>
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Zetabot Midshipman Joined: 28 February 2006 Online Status: Offline Posts: 69	Posted: 19 December 2006 at 7:43am
	Wel, to me at least, with the way you drew the "skeleton" the top half of his body is twisted, like it is not facing the same way as his bottom half. Part of what may help that is again, messing with the lower half a little more. His legs connect directly underneath the waist and they are touching. The legs could stand to be a little more spread apart where they meet the body. Maybe with the feet around a distance of what you have the shoulders at. Looking at a human, or even a gorilla skeleton if you can find one, would help. Also, and I know I am being a pain here, I think his feet could be a little bigger. His hands are very large but his feet don't really look like they would support him too well.
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3_32 Seaman Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24	Posted: 20 December 2006 at 9:20am
	http://www.dundee.ac.uk/museum/zoology/bagful/2149.jpg http://www.evolutionnyc.com/ImgUpload/P_72033_961775.jpg OK, after looking at a few skeletons on gorillas I'm still not sure I should widen the hips, the feet definatly need work though, which I'll get on ASAP. Edited by 3_32 - 20 December 2006 at 9:21am
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 20 December 2006 at 9:27am
	You are right about the skeleton and how the leg is positioned. However since its a glaring thing that most viewers can get past. Maybe a solution is to bend the leg at the knee just enough to show a bit. Since you are reworking the feet. Maybe the back leg is bent forward a bit and the other leg bent back, as if in mid stride. Just a thought...
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3_32 Seaman Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24	Posted: 22 December 2006 at 10:39am
	Its gone down hill, cos I'm so bloomin cold. But i've added a knee to the other leg, maybe it shows a little better now? ALSO, still redoing the feet, I can't seem to shade at this temperature.
	I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure. Clarence Darrow Suicide is man's way of telling God, "You can't fire me - I quit." Bill Maher
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Yoggii Seaman Joined: 28 November 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 38	Posted: 22 December 2006 at 1:36pm
	i love this monster! i think hes sexy :P love the grain texture on the flffy hair. maybe you could put a little more detail into the eye parts ?? i think ill give it 9/10. Edited by Yoggii - 22 December 2006 at 1:38pm
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jalonso Admiral Joined: 29 November 2022 Online Status: Offline Posts: 13537	Posted: 22 December 2006 at 11:14pm
	That little bit of knee has helped it a gazillion times over. The foot to our right could use more of a \ rather than a \| With the ears pointing that far out you'll need to show the other one's tip too.
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3_32 Seaman Joined: 14 March 2006 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 24	Posted: 23 December 2006 at 12:05am
	Cool thanks for the help, I'll get backj on it if I wake up, little tooo merry to do anything now, but glad the knee helped that problem. Thasnks guys, and merry Christmas
	I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure. Clarence Darrow Suicide is man's way of telling God, "You can't fire me - I quit." Bill Maher
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