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Quote Lozd Replybullet Topic: Head w/o body
    Posted: 09 April 2008 at 8:40pm
I am making a head and i can't get the shading right. this is the prgress i've gotten so far:
 
 


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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 09 April 2008 at 8:55pm
this is not pixel art. You need to relabel your topic as NPA please
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Quote Lozd Replybullet Posted: 09 April 2008 at 9:00pm
how is this not pixel art? i did it in mspaint.  Oh, i see, i saved wrong(jpeg), and then had to refine it, leaving some unwanted parts.  I fixed it.

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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 09 April 2008 at 9:48pm
The main question is do you have the time and patience to make this a pixel art style work at this resolution? That is a pretty big space for anyone to fill using the pixel art style. I would advise that you use something smaller something like standard avatar size might be best.
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Quote Lozd Replybullet Posted: 09 April 2008 at 10:15pm
i suppose, but i already started and i don't feel like giving up on it.
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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 09 April 2008 at 10:31pm
Well I can honestly say that I doubt you will finish at this resolution. However my opinion doesn't matter if drawing at this size makes you happy. Part of the problem is that you are thinking in terms of outlines rather than midtones. You don't often see lines but rather harsh contrast between shapes that give the illusion of lines.
Look here:
 

 
You won't see lines but you can tell the edges of a face or other shape because there is contrast between the edges. There are no lines showing where my shirt ends but you know my shirt stops because you can see that the background is a different color. The same holds true for faces. You can see my jaw simply because the shadow from the light defines it. Please take some time to study how shadows and reflections make shapes and you will begin to understand how to better shade your face drawing.


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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 12:42pm
Originally posted by Lozd

how is this not pixel art?


You used the spraypaint tool. That makes it not pixel art, for one.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 12:50pm
We wouldn't call it pixelart because the full importance of the pixels is not being used in what you currently have shown, and we highly doubt you will be able to do it. It's purely because you have such a huge canvas for pixelart - i know i wouldn't be able to work on something that big. If you're new to the media i suggest you start smaller, to get to grips with the basics and fundamentals of pixelart.
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Quote Pixel_Outlaw Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 1:00pm
Sometimes it is best to let them try. If one fails then they learn their limits and where they are weak.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 7:02pm
in other words you decide: you try and get nowhere with this, or listen us and start with something smaller that could really help you.

besides, how much eforth could this need? you're used the curved line, the flood fill and the spray paint tools. all automated.
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Quote Stroodle. Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 8:38pm
Ok first off this is pixel art! Second im with Metaru Start with something simpler it will help you. This is good for a beginer though. Needs more shading on the edges and around the nose 2 also its a bit sloppy around the nose and mouth. take a while and stare it down you will see these things 2
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by Lozd

i did it in mspaint.


I am so tired of hearing that excuse as justifying that it is pixel art just because you use MSPaint.

First off, it looks like you traced a picture. Second, you used the spraycan, a definite no-no. Thirdly, work on a smaller scale when starting out in pixel art. You'll learn more as you go and can work up to a larger scale later if you need to.
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Quote Lozd Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 9:50pm
1. i did not trace it.
2. no spray can used, those were left over from my rought fraft and i thought i would keep it there.
3. I thought i'd learn more from making a larger scale.
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Quote Hatch Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 10:52pm
The only thing you'll learn from making pixel art at this scale is how quickly one can get discouraged. Please please please listen to everyone's advice, even if you don't fully understand it. They're not handing it out just to make you bend to their will; they want you to be happy and satisfied with your art. You will not get to that point with this piece. That's not a comment about your skill as an artist; it's that no one could! I honestly can't think of a single piece in all of PixelJoint that's nearly as big as this, and some of the best pixel artists in the world post here. It's just bad news making pixel art at this size.

Just always remember that the people advising you are looking out for you. There's no ego stroking going on here. People want you to be happy with your art, and to grow as an artist; that's it.


EDIT: Just properly read the whole thread. Great critique, P_O. Post here more :O
EDIT2: And now that I think about it, I guess there are a few iso pieces that beat this in terms of size, but that's kind of a different thing altogether.

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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 10 April 2008 at 11:47pm
size isn't a restriction when you know the basics. you can't build a city if you didn't know how to put two bricks together.

Its up to you. either take the advice wisely, or be another example of an epic fail.
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Quote Serendor Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2008 at 2:08pm
well, give the boy/girl a chance, now lets wait for an update shall we? :D

Good luck!

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Quote schrumpfkopf Replybullet Posted: 11 April 2008 at 2:18pm
Originally posted by Serendor

well, give the boy/girl a chance, now lets wait for an update shall we? :D

Good luck!

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agreed - nonetheless drawing a proper 100x100px piece can take days =)
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Quote Lozd Replybullet Posted: 03 May 2008 at 8:06pm
 
Ok, i made the face smaller and gave a little more anime style to it.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2008 at 3:38am
now, I suggest you an interesting reading

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Quote Blad Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2008 at 3:49pm
I thought the huge head at the top was more handsome looking, but yeah, you could learn more and make it better with the smaller one.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 04 May 2008 at 9:00pm
Ha, for a second i though you said that the first huge npa thing of the first post looked good.
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Quote Blad Replybullet Posted: 05 May 2008 at 7:27am
Yeah I did, I didn't mean it as if it was well made, I meant to say that the huge npa head looked handsome, it has good facial features. 
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 05 May 2008 at 8:26am
Not a bad start, but the man needs a neck.
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 06 May 2008 at 12:18am
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Yeah I did, I didn't mean it as if it was well made, I meant to say that the huge npa head looked handsome, it has good facial features. 

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Quote Blad Replybullet Posted: 06 May 2008 at 11:18pm
Could I print the NPA head at the top and use it as a paper mask? I'm sure all the girls would dig me with that on.
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Quote Lozd Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2008 at 9:38pm
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 07 May 2008 at 10:18pm
I already did, without good results.
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Quote QuaziGNRLnose Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2008 at 6:19am
thats way to big to be done as a nice pixel art, especially for some1 whos new to it, try to start with something small and simple. and try to lay off using the line tool for you final outlines
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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 11 May 2008 at 10:08am
Originally posted by QuaziGNRLnose

thats way to big to be done as a nice pixel art, especially for some1 whos new to it, try to start with something small and simple. and try to lay off using the line tool for you final outlines

we are actually commenting the second piece his posted, if you didn't notice.
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