And no clue.

What is the PJ game? Can be my question is stupid, but I have never heard of it ^^

Yeah, sounds like it would've been great... ^^

How was this game going to be made in the first place? I mean, what program/language(programing)/etc...?

Just curious.

No problem in quality only in keeping things focused and on pace.

It should be the PJ 2008 resolution to get it set.

My suggestion for staring is to create all (90%) of the graphic files, sprites, tiles, items, GUI, etc.
THEN
talk about the coding and programming. The coder/programmer(s) will then be able to freely work and get into it.

So much motivation.. but so little work has been done.. why I ask you.. why!?!

/drama

Err... yes I like this idea, well I like any idea that involves pixelart and gameplay. But isn't it a good idea to choose a director then? Democratically?

My vote goes to the big bug Jal! *grin*

We had those all going.
Thats not the problem at all.
Its making the pixelart first
THEN
getting the programmers and technicians involved.

they will then just need revisions and modifications to the art itself and the project moves.

trust me here.

Just start making sprites y'all. High quality, PJ top-notch stuff.
Not the crap B.O.B, frankie and cure put together.

The old sprites are awesome.
We are just discussing bringing the project back live,
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused
but only if driven and focused

Shouldn't function determine form? I don't think it's such a good idea to let sprites' designs determine their function (and therefore the overall game-play). I know this is a pixel-art site, but making the pixel art before detailed ideas are thought through would probably leave a game feeling boring and generic.

PJ Game weekly challenge(s).

This would be very cool. I agree that we should decide how it'll work before we start the graphicizing, though.    

The three worlds are:

1) Iceworld
2) Waterworld
3) Painforest (a spooky, deadly rainforest)

The tile size is 32x32. The character stands around 45x60 pixels currently.

I started a project on google code. http://code.google.com/p/pjgame/

People should start learning how to use Subversion, a revision tool for software development.

We need to use the forum for polls and debate. The wiki can stay current with information, but there should be no wiki battles - keep it on the forum.

Save as PNG if you can.


Edited by Boder - 17 January 2008 at 5:54pm

Story is on the wiki now.

jalonso, feel free to send me a message (like if you want to be on the google code project)

Just a little question to think about:

Is it possible to release the game with 3 levels at first and when the development gets further more levels will be added?

Or something like that, that means the project will never die (and might even give a 2.0 version and further)

maybe add a spartan boss???????? 

Keep it simple this is exactly how things got out of hand.

I just know y'all don't want me as art director on this, mkay.
You know how I'm friendly and inexhaustible when helping others?
well...
as an art director I am a ruthless, hardcore, stoic dick-tator...

...ask any of my co-workwers

AdrianJensen, yeah I like that too! 

Club Beuker, it would probably be three worlds with about 3-5 levels in each one. But yeah, it would always be possible to add more later, however that later won't come without focusing on the getting the first world running.

kwigbo, good work on those tools. The sprite editor is interesting. My concern is that the flash tools aren't going to mesh with the C++ game. I was wondering if you would like to work on tools in Java/C#/C++ or you could continue with the flash version?

spartan_117, those are all great, creative ideas for a game. But they are the type of ideas suited for the beginning of a project, not the phase we are in now. Any developer could tell you that focus is a major problem to completing a project. It won't work for individual members to try to take creative control, because everyone will have different ideas.

But luckily one of your ideas is already planned - that the bosses are PJ members.

The easiest way to contribute artistically at this point is to *rough out sketches* of possible decorating tiles (spice up the level by adding variety, but also can be used as passive objects), objects in the levels (trees, rockes, vines, etc.), passive animals, baddies, or boss ideas (but use the bosses already decided on).

Next, is to actually create new tiles in the theme. The danger is if the tileset changes. Objects can also be created, trying to keep the style and palette consistent.

Working on baddies is fun. but a lot of thought has to go into how it will behave before it is animated. Most of the work is on animation here.

Bosses are probably the most fun, right? But probably should be our lowest priority right now.

On the code side, to contribute we are working on the tools and the engine properties of the game. Also we could work on compiling for different compilers, IDE's, build scripts, etc.

Check out the wiki, I put a lot up there.  I'll try to put up a list of art needed from the programming side, that is mostly guaranteed inclusion i the game if it is good enough.

I've helped with a similar community-like project and I'll tell you the problems on the art side from that project.
1) inconsistent style
2) people do there own thing and their art gets ignored
3) people's art gets surpassed by someone else's version, which is frustrating for them
3.5) people working on the same thing at the same time
3.7) someone takes forever working on something, and others don't work on it because they are trusting the person with the "lock" on it
4) people shy away from animating (doesn't seem to be a problem here?)

I'm working as if the ice world will be the first world. You just have to start somewhere and it could poke fun at supertux (or just make some funny references).

Hey, I will help in any way I can, just tell me specifics like the colors, dimensions, and whatever is needed to be known! I love animating things too...maybe that can help.

Edited by 6dof - 18 January 2008 at 3:47pm

They are all good questions surt.

Of course we want to make a great game that showcases the art of the community, but if we are too ambitious we could end up with nothing, which is certainly worse than something in this case.

Your questions about license and art style will have to go to the art lead. If google doesn't allow the images to have a different license, then the images will be hosted elsewhere.

Overworlds can definitely provide opportunity to show-off if anyone is up for the challenge. Overworlds are planned, but the mini-games are not a priority for me right now.

I don't want to sell anyone short, or be annoying by trying to be realistic. Positive criticism is always welcome.

Well, it's interesting, BUT

we already have a story and worlds, so I don't know what you want people to say to your ideas

If you want to really be part of the project, start by:
A) reading everything on the wiki
B) reading this whole thread

OH my Dear Mangos! I just gotta be a part of this! As for reading the entire wiki AND thread...ehehe im not even close... wow that was fast reading.

Edited by l3m0n5 - 19 January 2008 at 2:43pm

Before I will start pixeling anything, isn't it a good idea (which is mentioned before) to make a list of items needed (items, baddies, etc.)?

And also a sheet of pixels which are already approved for using. This way the style and setting is determined.

PixelBlink has given the OK to assign a new art lead.

Get in touch if you want to lead. You should have a good understanding of pixel art and hopefully some experience with games.