Oh crap, I really really wanted to do this challenge and had several designs ready... but then, on tuesday evening, the flu struck.. *sigh*

Ohwell, let's hope next week's challenge is as fun (and do-able for me).

this nice

All entries are very cool!



Edited by monotov - 13 June 2009 at 2:33pm

•Use www.tinypic.com

•So that you know the challenge is about SPACE ships not just ships.

•Use the lineden if you wish to donate linearts for coloring.

•"I'm way too inexperienced to do it justice anyway" We'll have none of that talk around here. You will try and try and try until you get the experience. If you dream it, it deserves it.

Fawful, your ship is looking great. I do think you should smooth the yellow stripe in the jaggiest areas on the bow since you have 3 yellows to easily do this.

hmmm...that didn't do much.
Maybe bring gold pipes to cover the worst areas ;)
Your ship has the general feel of a train so you could add a cow catcher just below the observation deck? It would break the boxy front a bit.




Notice the big blue exhaust pipes do not connect nicely.


Edited by jalonso - 14 June 2009 at 11:52am

I put this together over the last couple of days. C and C would be nice. It is probably rife with errors, as I've never really drawn either a spaceship or anything this size before and I don't have a great deal of experience at pixel art yet either.

Oops, sorry, Jalonso (I'll try to be less humble in the future ).  Even though I didn't get finished by the deadline, can I still work on it in this thread, and ask for advice?  (for example, should I have animated flames from the engines - seen at the stern - and does my palette need work, and does it need a starry background?)
Thanks!

Thank you, I'll fly it over there soon, and er, pretend I just came up with it....
By the way, a nice jaunty new avatar you have there - any kind of good stories behind it?

So, whats the problem?
that is still allowed, he changed the colors of something that was already pixelart and the result was the same as if he'd done it by hand
It only changes the colors and not the pixel technique...
If you're reducting colors from something like a photo and then claim that its pixelart, that is not allowed but using color reduction to quickly reduce the colors of your PIXELART is allowed.

You know what - the challenge is OVER - stop nit picking - Have you SEEN Elk's work?  He/She/It is a god of pixelling - so tone it down and get over it - sheesh!

Edited by Celri - 01 July 2009 at 11:07pm

I am not convinced, looking at the versions in detail gives signs that it could both have been done manually or automatically.

He probably did do some automatical saturation shifting or so, and he probably did not use the same tools for reducing as you do if he did reduce.

Either way, I would not call it a problem

But:

Why don't we just ask him? That could clarify a lot more than trying to see things in an image there might not be!

I believe that you are blowing this completely out of proportion. This point need not be argued as I'm sure that it is completely justifiable in regards to pixel art.



You have quoted this rule, however, I am sure that you are aware that almost every pixel artist (Ones on this forum included) do not place every.single.pixel by hand, and yourself probably included. The line tool, fill bucket, the ability to change brush sizes and the color replace tool are tools that almost all of us use. Using these tools make pixel art easier, however, each pixel is not placed by hand when using these tools. Would you still consider a piece that uses the fill bucket tool or line tool not pixel art?

The color redux in this instance has been used as another tool to make the creation of pixel art easier. It is not as if Elk has used the redux tool on a photo from the internet and claiming that it is pixel art that he has created. The piece that Elk has color reduced is his own, color reducing it has not given him an advantage over other pixel artists. The pixel techniques present in the end result are solely his own and not generated by the computer.

It is comprable to those pallette generators on the internet (The ones where you input on color, usually your midtone, and it will generate a pallette with highlights and shadow colors based on your input). This is a computer generated effect that you can apply to your pixel art, though would using a palette that a computer generated mean that your pixel art is no longer pixel art? Because thats exactly what Elk has done here, his pixel art is still his pixel art. The computer did not generate the art for him, it simply generated the pallette.

This is also not a case of favoritism. I'm sure that if you had used the color redux tool in the same way you would not be attacked on it the same way Elk is currently. I find Pixel Joint to be a fair and welcoming community, it is you who are stirring the trouble and pretending that it isnt fair.


Without trying to sound like a personal attack on you, because believe me its far from it, an attitude like this won't get you far on these forums and most likely in life either. Whilst it is true that it isn't ultimately Lollige's call, it isn't yours either. It is the moderators calls, and by the looks of it, if they havn't replied to your report or taken the image down, they have made their call. You may not think that it is fair etc. etc. However, the moderators are the authority here and even though you may not agree with their decisions you should at least respect them. The moderators are here to keep the forums and gallery running smoothly so ultimately what they say goes.

Before you flame this post, or any other posts in this topic, try to look at the situation in detail. Is it really worth arguing about? Is it effecting your life so dramatically that you feel you must do something about it. You're better off not wasting your own and others time creating arguments over a piece of pixel art.

Then, if what elk's doing is fine, I could use digital drawing (which is way easier) and even use sai's line corrector, then paint the picture digitally, use color reduction and some retouching and that would be pixel art? Pixel art that I could submit to a challange? I think not. It's taken me too much time to train my eye for the right colors for then being told I could have done it that way

1. Err, jealous? Far from it~

Elk has some great work in his gallery, no doubt, but I'm not jealous of him. I'm very happy with my life and my techniques. Why would I be jealous of someone when I'm happy with what I've already got?

I'm fighting this because, quite simply, if he used color reduction it's not fair. It demeans the work of everyone in the competition. I didn't enter, start an entry, or even contemplate entering, so I'm an unbiased observer.

I... don't really see how you pulled jealousy out of all this? o.o;

2. Coming from the one screaming at people fighting for justice? Talk about hypocrite~

And: Genius, no. Good pixel artist, yes, but... no, not a genius. A genius of pixel art wouldn't have any contemplation over the validity of his works. :P