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b236
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each day a new palette of 2 - 64 colours.
random generated. test run: https://www.humanworlds.org/_pal/ (rgb) https://www.humanworlds.org/_pal/hsb.html (hsb) ![]() gold and blue dress |
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b236
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Hapiel
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Cool idea! Maybe share it with Pixel Dailies, so they can use it some time for one of their daily challenges? How are the palettes generated? Is it a list, are they random, and to what degree? Have you tried to balance the colors?
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b236
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what are these pixel dailies i keep hearing about? and where can i find them?
palettes are completely random generated. random seed is taken from date - the number in right corner. i did not try to make colours balanced, because there are already multiple palette generators trying to implement different harmonies etc. so they get more pleasant results. i like this one: https://perchance.org/color-palette my original idea was to let rng unleashed, so there isn't even protection against duplicates. i'd say it brings more challenge this way :]] this month's start is a bit slow, if i started just one month sooner, we would get this: ![]() strangely enough even though this looks very messy, when i sorted it out by luminance and run db's analyzer on it, it turned out to be actually quite usable palette :D ![]() |
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b236
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![]() green (mon)day |
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Hapiel
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rng is never truly unleashed, we always design how we use it. For example you will get different results if you do random R, G and B than if you do random H S V.
Since some colors appear more in pa than others (random sampling gives you way too many blues-purples-magentas, and way too few whites and blacks), I'd be curious to see palettes generated from a list of colors as they appear in pixel art? Luckily I know such a database, see chart 2 on this page. Pixel Dailies can be found here on twitter.
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b236
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ah, yes, twitter. i don't use it sadly...
you're right about rng - after all, usual random() function is far from being truly random. it's just good enough when the true randomness isn't crucial. i honestly don't know how i would quantify the difference between randomizing rgb channels and hsv components. so it might be worth to check it by doing both! and i will try that (although i expect the results to be similar mess). btw. why is there graph for #D9A066 colour? :] also, i noticed that most used colours in pixel art are greys. i guess it makes sense. just like it makes sense to set blues or purples as the darkest colours, because the blue has the lowest percieved value and purple helps bridging warm and cool part of the spectrum. i'd be glad to make the version of the generator taking the colours from the list. can you provide it? also it would be interesting to have the most used colours as a set of 64 swatches - something like the quintessential pixel art palette (although we know that's db32). |
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b236
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b236
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i think i'm leaning more towards the preference of rgb.
because in rgb all three elements have same importance. in hs* model, the importance is: value/lightnes, hue, saturation. and i'm not sure i like that. |
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b236
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turns out that random seed really doesn't like small changes, hence numbers like 2022410 to 2022431 do change colours, but the number of colours in palette remains the same.
so, from now on the format is with leading zeros and starting with day instead of year. for example: 25042022. this seems to solve the problem (fingers crossed). i'm keeping the number in corner the same because yyyy-mm-dd is better for categorization. so, the palette of the day today actually is: ![]() |
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b236
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i say this project is tremendous success so far. these palettes have no business to be this good.
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b236
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now there's also gpl output:
GIMP Palette although i'd like to make it as a prompt to save it drive - like the save image is now... or at least as a clean gpl txt output, so the users don't have to select and copy the text. |
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b236
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Hapiel
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Originally posted by b236 btw. why is there graph for #D9A066 colour? :] Yeah it's a bit out of context there. But the graph is about the 'birth of a color'. With 16 million possible colors, most colors are not even present in any PJ art. This #D9A066 is a color from the DB32 palette, the graph shows how it didn't exist before Dawnbringer "invented" it. Originally posted by b236 i'd be glad to make the version of the generator taking the colours from the list. can you provide it? I'll DM you a link on discord in a bit :)
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b236
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Originally posted by hapiel
Yeah it's a bit out of context there. But the graph is about the 'birth of a color'. With 16 million possible colors, most colors are not even present in any PJ art. This #D9A066 is a color from the DB32 palette, the graph shows how it didn't exist before Dawnbringer "invented" it. |
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Gecimen
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This is great, following with interest :)
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b236
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b236
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@gecimen: glad to hear that!
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b236
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b236
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inverted & hsb
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b236
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b236
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GIMP Palette
Name: paletteoftheday 20220428 Columns: 8 # 65 65 105 Index 0 215 52 72 Index 1 38 120 127 Index 2 104 170 238 Index 3 152 197 12 Index 4 126 199 114 Index 5 82 241 45 Index 6 75 75 125 Index 7 123 197 157 Index 8 249 99 4 Index 9 65 115 223 Index 10 218 175 77 Index 11 209 174 80 Index 12 138 171 67 Index 13 9 248 28 Index 14 235 251 58 Index 15 221 190 194 Index 16 3 60 161 Index 17 204 251 230 Index 18 106 155 33 Index 19 21 102 8 Index 20 142 42 242 Index 21 215 10 81 Index 22 9 54 204 Index 23 191 225 239 Index 24 78 150 27 Index 25 119 19 147 Index 26 242 16 199 Index 27 11 148 172 Index 28 46 210 125 Index 29 98 147 37 Index 30 130 109 230 Index 31 158 237 52 Index 32 160 207 200 Index 33 203 17 30 Index 34 76 221 201 Index 35 218 243 240 Index 36 50 211 214 Index 37 132 133 191 Index 38 23 122 184 Index 39 75 168 170 Index 40 31 176 186 Index 41 187 185 17 Index 42 116 137 134 Index 43 1 227 185 Index 44 76 0 74 Index 45 68 170 208 Index 46 31 11 106 Index 47 217 115 225 Index 48 99 22 160 Index 49 119 101 50 Index 50 86 33 245 Index 51 231 121 113 Index 52 234 168 115 Index 53 18 24 40 Index 54 211 91 155 Index 55 114 107 137 Index 56 147 114 69 Index 57 161 45 57 Index 58 25 89 111 Index 59 93 46 153 Index 60 31 63 183 Index 61 100 171 15 Index 62 43 66 254 Index 63 |
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b236
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Hapiel
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I wonder if the palettes feel less same-y if you generate smaller ones? I'm more tempted to use a random set of <8 colors I think than >16 !
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DawnBringer
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What method are you using for randomizing?
Here's a fun fact: if you define a dark color as one with all three color-channels in the bottom 25% (0-63) ...the chance of producing a dark color by randomizing a RGB value, is just 1/64! |
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Hapiel
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Oh wow, that kinda makes it all the more obvious what goes wrong with random palettes! The same is true of course for a bright color. Even if you try to hit all three in the bottom 33%, that's still a chance of only 1/27, meaning that a 16 color palette is quite likely not to have any.. But a highly saturated color, with 1 or 2 colors in the top 25% and 1 or 2 colors in the bottom 25%, and no colors in the middle 50%, that likelihood is only 1/10.6, which explains why all these palettes are so full of them!
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DawnBringer
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It's not really the same for bright colors (other than mathematically). Brightness is exponential, and tend to be defined by the strongest channel, especially green which is by far the brightest and most powerful. So if green is in the top 20-25%...you basically have a "bright" color (especially considering that red & blue in addition are only both going to be in the "dark" 1/16 times).
But, yeah purely random RGB-palettes are unlikely to be "well balanced". |
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b236
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Originally posted by Hapiel
I wonder if the palettes feel less same-y if you generate smaller ones? I'm more tempted to use a random set of <8 colors I think than >16 ! yes, they are, but they seem to be harder to use. but then again, i'm not in charge of that ;] |
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b236
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Originally posted by DawnBringer
But, yeah purely random RGB-palettes are unlikely to be "well balanced". i'm honestly surprised they are usable at all. :D anyway the goal isn't to produce well balanced palette, quite the opposite. there already are plenty of generators trying to output pleasant color combinations. then there's lospec and so on. this experiment is about: here's a palette. it's pretty horrible. let's see if you can do something with it. |
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b236
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@Hapiel: you're in luck ;]
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b236
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contaminated brownfield:
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b236
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