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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Topic: PJv3 discussion
    Posted: 10 August 2006 at 9:50am
a newer, better, faster, and even prettier version of PixelJoint is upon us.  we have the technology.

this topic is dedicated to the new version.

first of all, let me explain what will be happening:

i will be redesigning all of the PJ pages.  they will be going all standard compliant, with WAP enabled.  the ability to customize it will be expanded, making almost every aspect of the look and feel left to your imagination.

here is where you come in...  we want to know what YOU want.  what would you like to see on the front page, what would make your PJ experience more enjoyable?

consider this a focus group.  suggest ideas and discuss ideas people have offered.

Here are suggestions recieved so far:
  1. Better control over fonts
  2. Something for featured artists
  3. Russian language/more language support
  4. Ability to add/remove content on frontpage
feel free to offer your opinions on those, and be sure to suggest your own


Edited by Ensellitis - 10 August 2006 at 9:49pm
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Quote PandaPlanet Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 5:27pm
It would be handy if there was a way to enlarge all text with a single button. I tend to look at PJ before going to bed (2:27 AM atm) and things get woozy then.  This would also help any people with eyeproblems and/or dyselexia.
 
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 5:32pm
How about no character limit on comments? I guess debates aren't really to be had in the news area but... still. Text limits are aggravating when you want to say a lot.
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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 5:39pm
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 5:42pm
Aleiav, i'm afraid there has to be a limit for comments to avoid serious spamming. Not sure what the limit is at the moment but it might be haggleable i suppose.
 
Can't think of anything i'd like to see added atm, but i'm sure i'll think of something soon. Or i might not. =D
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 5:46pm
Ensellitis: Don't you mean v3?

Panda: I'm pretty sure ALL browsers have a text size option in the tool bar.
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Quote Demon Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 5:48pm
Ctrl+MouseScrollWheel
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Quote Wannahlakujuu Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 6:16pm
However, I've noticed that CTRL + Mousescroll doesn't work on all text. I, being mildly dyslexic, am annoyed ...sortof.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 6:43pm
font size will be addressed.

any other ideas/suggestions?  this being a community, i would love some community input to the new design.

what happened to my sticky?


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Quote Dejital Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 8:32pm
More featured pixel artists! Hah. I guess that's not a v3 thing but we need more.

And why not a Russian language translation! Google has that I think? Look at Gas13's stamp collab, a bunch of us Russians.


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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 9:51pm
i will make some sort of area for featured artists to coerce those pesky admins to do more of them.   
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:29pm
Originally posted by Ensellitis


what happened to my sticky?
no one notices stickies..  at least i never do. hmm
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Quote halfDemon Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:39pm
Instead of having to find the news article, it'd be nice for there to be a link to last month's top ten pixel pieces on the front page. That is, unless I'm missing something...
Every pixel counts, even the dead ones.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:57pm
no, your not, another good idea
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 12:02am
Just an idea. Maybe there is a way to link a partcular piece to its WIP thread when applicable? Say in the art submission page right below the PJ rules* a check box to indicate that it had a development thread and somehow creates a link to it.

*Wish List - A hand that pops out of the screen and slaps the artist who violates rule #6 then lists them on the front page in the "shame" section
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Quote PandaPlanet Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 3:57am
@PixelBlink: I know about the option but it doesn't work on any site but Google. I think it has to do with HTML tags (<Paragraph>?)
@Demon: I just had a PM from Larwick who also sent me the CTRL-Scroll thingy, but it only enlargens the •'s on the right frame.
@Wannahlakujuu: Exactly, my nephew adores this site for the 'pretty pictures' (Mostly Medieval related) but whenever I try and get him to sign up and join the community he says: "It's hard for me to read". I've also got 3 friends in class who're slightly dyslexic and they've got the same problems. I'm sure they aren't the only ones on the globe ;)
Originally posted by Ensellitis

font size will be addressed.

Godbless you!

Edit: Did you already add the font size? Because I just noticed the little bar ontop of the news with the 'Adjust Font'-option
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Quote maloART Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 5:04am
According to the font size suggestion, to make this relative to the user's preferences (font size option, Ctrl+Wheel, etc. ), you'll have to change all absolute text size in the css file : http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/css_styles/default_style.css :
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/* Text */

.smText{font-size: 10px;}

.lgText{font-size: 15px;}

.heading{font-size: 19px;}

... this should be expressed in % or with keyword (normal/large/small/x-large/xx-large/ ...)
 
 
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 5:20am
Going along with jalonsos suggestion, howabout having some more areas you could fill out when needed for when you're submitting a piece? For example, "WIP thread/image:" and "#ofFrames:" could be useful.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 7:58am
@panda, that has been there foir awhile XD
@maloart, that css file is not going to be used.  everything is going to be redone.

my  idea so far is a ajax based design.  ajax would allow you to add and remove sections that you want, dont want, and also reorganize to your taste.  along with a way to customize the colors/sizes without having to submit your css, but do it in real time.
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Quote maloART Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 10:13am
@ensellitis : Well, I just pointed out why people could not resize their font while browsing PJ's ... Planning to use Ajax framework is definetly a good idea, technically speaking.
The Larwick suggestion is good. You should add new attributes to submitted pixels like UrlToThread (allowing to link the forum directly but also other forums like Pixelopolis), UrlToRef (allowing to link every referenced pictures).
Could we have some personal statistics like 'How many new pictures have been submited since my last visit ?',  'How many people rated (not showing the values of course) for my pixel ?' ...
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Quote alkaline Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 11:01am
what if.....you can't rate art until you click the preview to view full image? it may be a little inconvenient, but who knows how many people rate based on the preview image. it isn't exactly essential or convenient but it may throw off ratings..     opinions? i'm not sure if many people would like that though
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Quote pixelblink Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 5:08pm
I agree with alkie.

What about adding some function to the news submissions where one can add images and format the news post to their liking? I'd like to see that.
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Quote leel Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 5:28pm
yeah, people rate the previews to get the highest # of ratings..
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Quote Dejital Replybullet Posted: 11 August 2006 at 5:50pm
How about more "new" pixels on the front page, like on PJv1.
Cause now most people will click more on the high rated pixels and only the 3 newest.


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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 12 August 2006 at 9:10am
Here's an idea for the v3 programming nerds;
Is it possible to include an "@" alert tab in the comments. Say you look at a piece and make a comment with a question for the artist or your comment includes something that sparks a debate of some kind. Unless an answer is directly above yours you have no way of knowing something needs a further reply from you or a need to manually check the piece again. This happens to me often and often feel like an idiot for not noticing till its too late. Maybe any piece that mentions you by name could be an alert or even better a check box that you choose to follow then alerts you of new comments on that particular piece that is not yours?

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Quote Dejital Replybullet Posted: 12 August 2006 at 11:54am
Originally posted by jalonso

Here's an idea for the v3 programming nerds;
Is it possible to include an "@" alert tab in the comments. Say you look at a piece and make a comment with a question for the artist or your comment includes something that sparks a debate of some kind. Unless an answer is directly above yours you have no way of knowing something needs a further reply from you or a need to manually check the piece again. This happens to me often and often feel like an idiot for not noticing till its too late. Maybe any piece that mentions you by name could be an alert or even better a check box that you choose to follow then alerts you of new comments on that particular piece that is not yours?



How about a comment system like Youtubes, where you can post comments, and you can also post a reply to a comment which will send an alert to the person who you are replying to.
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Quote halfDemon Replybullet Posted: 12 August 2006 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by Dejital

How about a comment system like Youtubes, where you can post comments, and you can also post a reply to a comment which will send an alert to the person who you are replying to.
Seconded!
 
How about top ten pixel art of the year.


Edited by halfDemon - 12 August 2006 at 7:46pm
Every pixel counts, even the dead ones.
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2006 at 4:19pm
I'd like a consistent PM inbox so that you only need to check it once to be sure nobody has PMed you, and so you never miss PMs.

RPG is numberwang.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2006 at 4:29pm
MoD, i dont understand you thar... do you mean one which notifies of the amount of 'unread' pm's? like.. '422 NEW PMS, YU R POPLAR' =D
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2006 at 4:40pm
Naw, you have 2 separate inboxes and they should be merged ftw.

RPG is numberwang.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2006 at 7:04pm
you mean like a "unread pm" box, and once read they go to a "read pm" box?
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2006 at 7:33pm
Oy, I feel like I'm showing a drawing to a bunch of blind people.
 
You have a PM inbox at the gallery and one at the forum. Currently, they are totally independent of each other, and work very differently. My suggesstion was to replace them with a unified PM inbox that recieves messages sent on the forum or the main site without distinction between the two.

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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2006 at 8:07pm
ahhhhh, you see, you never mentioned anything about the forum before XD
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 13 August 2006 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by MoD

Oy, I feel like I'm showing a drawing to a bunch of blind people.


Says the monkey with the text based browser
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Quote Brian the Great Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2006 at 4:51am
Originally posted by jalonso

Originally posted by MoD

Oy, I feel like I'm showing a drawing to a bunch of blind people.


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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2006 at 6:13am
I felt that one even through the monitor.
 
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2006 at 4:55pm
Originally posted by Brian the Great

Originally posted by jalonso

Originally posted by MoD

Oy, I feel like I'm showing a drawing to a bunch of blind people.


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SNAP!  crackle...  BURN

ok, back on topic folks
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Quote Akira Replybullet Posted: 14 August 2006 at 7:40pm
howabout a notification when a certain artist posts new stuff? cause i don't have time to look through all the new art to find my favourite pixel artists... o course this could mean that alot of new art gets neglected. idk.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2006 at 1:49am
anyone have any ideas for the design of pj?
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Quote Dejital Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2006 at 8:38am
Is it possible to make it so instead of X Messages it says X Alerts, Y PMs?
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Quote halfDemon Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2006 at 11:40am
Originally posted by Dejital

Is it possible to make it so instead of X Messages it says X Alerts, Y PMs?
Every part of the layout should be hand pixeled.
Every pixel counts, even the dead ones.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2006 at 11:47am
I could not agree more. No code borders/lines/shapes (within reason). Pixel fonts. 100% pixelart.
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Quote Faktablad Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2006 at 12:00pm
I agree about everything but pixel fonts.  While they're shecksy, they're a pain in the ass to read, especially if you have paragraphs of text.

Keep the regular text something normal, but use pixel fonts for buttons, etc.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2006 at 12:58pm
Don't forget about a  direct link to PJs irc channel
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Quote halfDemon Replybullet Posted: 15 August 2006 at 1:18pm
The IRC channel is always down for me.
 
As for the font, I think there should be an option to choose whether it's pixeled, or a regular font.
Every pixel counts, even the dead ones.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2006 at 1:23pm
the irc channel is never down :O  what problem are you having?
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2006 at 2:02pm
Just thought. It would be brilliant if we could pick our own 'favourite artists', because sometimes i want to fav all the art by one person, but i know that'd be silly.
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Quote Dejital Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2006 at 4:29pm
Originally posted by Larwick

Just thought. It would be brilliant if we could pick our own 'favourite artists', because sometimes i want to fav all the art by one person, but i know that'd be silly.

I've been using the "friends" feature for that.
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Quote Aleiav Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2006 at 9:31pm
the forum has issues with knowing what's been read and what hasn't. i've got to make sure to click "mark all forums read" before i leave, even if I HAVE read all the new posts in the forum.
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Quote Ensellitis Replybullet Posted: 16 August 2006 at 11:40pm
this is for the main site, aleiav, not the forum :P
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