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Platnium (Level 5 Sniper) at 12/16/2007 10:46:25 AM
WOOW this is just amazing,i love the dithering.
Helm (Level 5 Detective) at 8/29/2006 3:20:10 PM
Please credit all reference material used in your original post of the artwork for the benefit of the viewer.
AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/28/2006 1:34:04 AM
Just like to add, this has not been traced, the comments in my WIP page from a few people mentioned tracing, I have never traced anything in my life.
Nomade (Level 3 Private Eye) at 8/27/2006 10:54:16 AM
hm.. i dont really like his muscles.. Daredevil itself doesn't has all those muscles :Pand his eyes look weird..
Other than that, everything seems perfect to me
AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/26/2006 2:48:55 AM
No worries space2. Elk, cheers mate, yeah the background was really annoying, I kind of ran out of colours being I was resticting myself to 32, so I just knocked it up really, just to get it done, bad attitude I know but the main focus is on Dare Devil so, what the hell.
Elk (Level 1 Depressed) at 8/26/2006 2:04:41 AM
The background dithering is a bit wierd but its cool :D
space2 (Level 2 Flatfoot) at 8/26/2006 1:24:42 AM
@pixelblink - I actually liked the last comment in the description, it was like a joke ;-)@Wolverine - you said there are a few things you would fix up... can you tell us what?
@AlanDryhair - thanks for the WIP!
pixelblink (Level 8 Marshal) at 8/24/2006 8:43:09 PM
Everybody needs to calm the hell down. And I mean EVERYBODY. I will delete all comments if this does not happen. Don't make me send you all to the corner.Yes, this was waiting in the queue for a bit untl some of us decided on its worth and legitimacy of Alan and his crews work. You need not be all up in arms about how fast the gears work behind the scenes but know that they are always working.
Personally, I would still love to see a WIP animation of this piece. Not that I doubt it but because I'd love to see how it was built.
On to the image itself: I love it. I think the anatomy is spot on. Some of the highlights seem off - such as the back of his head... doesn't seem right the mre I look at it. Also, I would love to see some contrasting colours especially in the background to give this piece some more vibrancy.
As per your description: I don't think you should be giving a rat's ass about people's judgement on your sexuality. This has nothing to do with the image itself. This has nothing to do with the community. Personally, I don't think someone's sexual identity should have anything to do with the rest of the community. We are all pixel artists. 'nuff said.
Wolverine (Level 8 Brigadier General) at 8/24/2006 3:33:06 PM
Wait, all that was over whether it was pixelled or not? I don't consider myself an expert or anything (just decent is all) but it doesn't look color reduced to me. Seen plenty of pieces on the net and some on here that have been but I can see the techniques used in this piece clearly. It looks flawed rather than manufactured to me if that makes any sense whatsoever.. Prob don't seeing as how I'm tired as hell and my busy lil typing fingers seem to wanna share any crap swirling around in my mind right now.. I apparently need new training shoes, for example... didn't even realise that... but point is it seems a bit crazy there was such an argument over this. In my opinion it's a pretty decent (not spectacular) piece of pixel art, theres some things I would adjust or fix up but that could just be personal preference... Night night...
PKT (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 3:19:21 PM
a blind lawer looking like that, smells fishy :P
jk, it's awsome, really really well made.
ebby (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 2:09:43 PM
jalonso, you are a friendly chap, but the "not commenting and rating other's work" is describing half of the people on this forum. most of the veteran people only comment at their buddy veteran members and basically ignore the people who can really use their crits and help. whats the difference.and no larwick, that wasn't "good" crit. sorry.
oh boy. AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 12:43:49 PM
I'll post my WIP in the morning, all 100 frame saves. I want to close this matter please, I've had my say, I just want to get along. Thanks for the appraise space2 :) I really enjoyed working on it, but I did find it challenging. Yes Larwick it was approved, my attack wasnt aggressive I just wanted an explaination thats all, we are new here.
Ensellitis (Level 11 Special Agent) at 8/24/2006 11:54:17 AM
ok, i already explained why your art wasnt accepted right away, and you bring it back up? necky, every comment you made, with the exception of 2 or 3 were on your guys' demoscene stuff, so as far as i am concerned, you have done nothing for this community but help fuel debates.ok, if you want this conversation to continue, take it to the forum and start a new thread about it, it will NOT continue here. period. the gallery is to comment on the art, not complain about how we run things around here. if this continues after this comment, bans will be handed out, and i am serious.
Larwick (Level 8 Shodan) at 8/24/2006 11:53:44 AM
*AHEM* This has been approved, has it not? I gave good critisism and defended your attacks on the administrators of the forum, i don't see why you are still complaining. Why can't you just accept the fact we needed to make sure whether you were real pixel artists before we could accept your art? My first impressions from you were bad because you immediately said about me being jealous because i found it suspicious. Something i find very immature, even if i am immature myself at times. You can't seriously expect a community such as this to be so leanient with everyone, or it'd be chaos (more so than this). Necky (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 11:03:14 AM
This doesn't apply to everyone. I've met some nice people on here already that have been very welcoming. Thank you to those people, it's much appriciated. 
Necky (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 11:00:30 AM
Such a clicky webpage. We've done nothing else other than try to be nice. But when you are met with a wall, that's very difficult. "Sure come in and join our community, but you can't show any of your art, because we simply don't believe you drew it. "
"Why how friendly!! That's really put me in the mood to go and chat and compliment!"
And you wonder why we are defensive.
Schnauzer (Level 1 Quiet One) at 8/24/2006 10:57:30 AM
Is hard to believe that was made pixel by pixel. No rated yet.
jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 8/24/2006 10:33:29 AM
My final words on the matter. Making a good first impression is a very good thing. With this much experience and history, letting the art speak for itself is the best road to take. I say, most questionable matters are best resolved through PMs. As Necky quite rightly says "it's gonna be obvious once they start working", as it relates to reputation. If I were an employer I would stay far away, to tell the truth. Skill and talent is a great thing but I'd much rather have a pleaseant, non-egotistical team player with the capacity to learn and grow.The best way to get involved in any community is to participate. Commenting and rating others work is something that is not happenning yet from this small group of friends. Keeping these running commentaries on each others pieces with their "pat on the back" tone is very off-putting. I am beginning to lose all interest in the art itself.
Necky (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 9:50:41 AM
Hi Ensellitis. Yep I agree about the demo scene artwork, it is a very difficult thing to judge. You'd be surprised how many people have tried to even cheat an interview at companies I've worked for (never seen the point in that myself it's gonna be obvious once they start working). Anyway I digress. It's been a tough 2 weeks for myself Al and Andy regarding Pixeljoint. We all want to join this community as it's a subject close to our hearts and has been a major part of our lives. From our angle we came onto pixeljoint to share our work, knowledge and stories about pixel art when it really was the driving force in the games industry. Instead we have come under a lot of flack and suspician. I'm sure you can see why we've lost our rag a few times. Now you've cleared things up though, I feel happier about the situation, as I understand where you are also coming from
I do appologise if we have come across as defensive about our work. But you have to undertand that our reputations are at stake too (a future employer may type in any of our names into Google and this comes up about their being suspecians about the authenticy of our work, that really won't look good at all, it's especially harsh when it isn't true.)
space2 (Level 2 Flatfoot) at 8/24/2006 9:27:13 AM
I don't know if it's similar to the real daredevil or not, but as a piece of pixel art, IT'S PERFECT!(I wish I could draw as good as you ... well, maybe it just shows I should spend more time on coding then pixeling :-)) )
Ensellitis (Level 11 Special Agent) at 8/24/2006 9:21:19 AM
Necky, the admins here have seen alot of different types of pixelart, and if we become suspicous for any reason whatsoever, we will either let it sit in queue while we discuss it. or if we are unable to determine wether or not it was done by hand, we will send it back for revision. there are times we are wrong, i will admit it, but but more often we are right.demoscene is a very touchy area. there are alot of pieces that look amazing and were done pixel by pixel, then there are alot that are done via color-reduction, then cleaned up. at times it is very hard to tell the difference. the art programs out there are getting better and making what isnt pixel art to seem like pixel art. im not saying thats what this, or andy's, is... but im also not saying it isnt, it can be hard to tell.
and thats enough with the immaturity... it can easily be said that complaining that your pixelart didnt get approved, or finding age funny is immature.
AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 8:06:54 AM
'and indeed being 16 is not what makes one immature, but, rather, one's actions. '
So that rules out 2% of all 16 year olds then.
Necky (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 8:06:23 AM
Calm down Al ol' pal, Ensellitis is making a valid point. It would be a travisty if you get thrown off this site My only problem with this site, and the way it is run at the moment, is it's a bit of lottery if your work is excepted. That can be VERY hard to except if you worked something like 24 solid hours on a picture. It just doesn't leave any room for innovation and raising the bar.
Any old 2D work is rejected on the grounds that there is no 'proof' of it being pixel drawn. Which I've personally find to be quite upsetting and a quite a loss to this community. I've got old pieces of 2D work that are from old games that never got released. I'd post them on here if I knew they'd get accepted, but I can't guarentee that at the moment.(although you let my All Stars Tennis picture though which I'm very grateful for
) I've looked through this site, and I've noticed some pieces of work, that in my eyes, haven't been pixel drawn, or are on far more dubious grounds then some of the stuff you refused AndyOaks on. So I can see where Al is coming from on this point, even if it isn't the case.I can fully understand your system, and it's a pretty good one.
You have to whittle out the true from the false, which is a good and honerble thing to do and you should definately keep that up otherwise this site will go into chaos.I think with your process of excepting a piece of work should also have someones career history as an exceptable concideration.
AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 7:59:05 AM
Okay that's more like it, this is merely all I've been after right from the start. Naturally I didn't take a shot every pixel placed, that would be crazy, I have a 100 frame animation of it, so I'm sure that would of sufficed to speed things up. The only reason why I began to feel targeted was the insodent where I stuck up for a couple friends I used to work with, I kind of felt that perhaps a few people on here maybe thinking negatively towards me, obviously not. I naturally don't have a ploblem with the way things run, perhaps I have a problem with a few smarmy sarcastic comments I get from time to time. Thanks for your time.
ThereIsNoCure (Level 11 Godfather) at 8/24/2006 7:56:17 AM
Also, it is evident to any reasonable, sensible person that age is not the only factor in maturity, and indeed being 16 is not what makes one immature, but, rather, one's actions. Such as the act of assuming maturity is based on age. ThereIsNoCure (Level 11 Godfather) at 8/24/2006 7:53:39 AM
How very emo.
And spelt IS spelt "spelt", believe it or not, there are such things as alternate spellings.
Ensellitis (Level 11 Special Agent) at 8/24/2006 7:32:36 AM
alandryhair, you really need to stop right there. anyone can "reverese engineer" a color reduction very easily, so unless you took a shot of every single pixel placed by hand there is no proof.plus, you dont know how the acceptance policy here works, it isnt as simple as clicking a big red shiney button*, if there is any shadow of doubt about the piece, then we do 2 things: we the admins discuss it, and give it time in the public queue to see if anyone finds it a rip to vote on whether it gets in.
we dont get very much "demoscene" art here, and we get alot of rips, so we double check everything. you are targeted about as much as every other pixeler here is, so dont think you are any more special than any other person who is a member here, because you are not.
if you have a problem with the way this place is ran, you have 2 options: 1) post your problem in a CONSTRUCTIVE way in the forums, or simply leave and go somewhere else.
ebby (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 7:06:29 AM
the internet: a place where 16 year old kids call 30 year old men immature. and then tell them how to spell something by mispelling something.you can't but laugh.
AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/24/2006 6:07:11 AM
I can’t believe I’m reading this, your completely contradicting yourself.
At what point have you done your jobs correctly? None of the admins on here asked me for WIP, if you had trouble checking my work for authenticity why not simply ‘ask’ for proof, instead most of the other work which was posted the same day as mine was approved accept mine, can't you see my argument?
If I was an admin, and there was an entry which I wasn't sure if it was pixel drawn, I would of demanded WIP to be posted to the WIP Thread, I wouldn't just ignore it, or put a 'no' down on the approval, that would be rude and disrespectful to the artist. I am not trying to tell you how to do your jobs, I am merely pointing out the obvious, that mine was lingering around the approval page for nearly 48 hours without any queries and a friend of mine had to convince an admin to allow my approval. It’s blatantly outrageous, the same as what you have just written, childish and serves only to annoy someone.
verfum (Level 3 Private Eye) at 8/24/2006 5:31:47 AM
PS. Spelled isn't spelled spelt - spelt is a type of wheat.
Larwick (Level 8 Shodan) at 8/24/2006 2:03:18 AM
Alan, if you're going to make it seem as if we as the admins are doing a bad job or are purposefully picking on you then you seriously need to use some of that 15 years of experience to help with your immaturity. We have every right to make sure every member here is as truthful as possible about their art, even if we're wrong.
I don't doubt this is a great piece. Although personally i find that your AAing and dithering could do with some improvement, as can be shown in the sky and the jaggedyness of some of the lines and shapes. This could just be a general style of pixelling, but i still think it really lets down some of your work.
PS. Allowed isn't spelt aloud. Just so you know.
jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) at 8/24/2006 12:30:45 AM
Nice art blah, blah, blah!The human figure used in any work of art is not gay, saying "I'm giving it 2 more hours then I'm taking this off and going elsewhere. Taking too long." is very gay.
Sgrum (Level 5 Sniper) at 8/23/2006 2:33:38 PM
I hate my keyboard. I said "hour" instead of OUR TOOTH Sgrum (Level 5 Sniper) at 8/23/2006 2:30:26 PM
Don´t worry Alan... If they don´t put it on, we´ll swim across the Ocean whit a BIG slipper each one between hour tooth... and they´ll miss mummy scoldings 
Setzer (Level 7 Mass Murderer) at 8/23/2006 2:20:25 PM
alan: I'd say have patience, it's only been in queue for about a day, and most of the staff here are busy with other aspects [life, work, etc]. plus it's not a very large group AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/23/2006 12:11:20 PM
Why? Nobody has asked me for the WIP dude. Thanks for the comments Sgrum, dont mind your crits, they are welcomed. Sgrum (Level 5 Sniper) at 8/23/2006 9:59:35 AM
I don´t believe that this art can be make with a scanner and the low colours exporting. It´s neccesary a hard work to create a dot patterns and dithering in a bit colours. Photoshop makes it but in a hundred of colours. I know that the art is yours, not a fake made with photoshop. ´Cause that I say you: CARRY ON... Sgrum (Level 5 Sniper) at 8/23/2006 9:47:50 AM
Hey Verfum! Thanks for your words, but I don´t be a long time pixel artist to consider eminent my oppinions. I began to pixel two months and a half 
. Anybody can explain his likes and be wrong or right, but all critics must be received whith a smile, doesn´t matter who say it.
Badassbill (Level 8 Cannibal) at 8/23/2006 6:14:46 AM
The background isn't in the same league as the Dare Devil himself. Nice annatomy and lighting. AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/23/2006 5:59:41 AM
Shame I'm taking it off this forum though ay. Pity, just goes to show that it's not just bad or fraud artwork that gets turned down on here. I hope I am setting an example of what's going on, I've been targeted and that shouldn't be aloud, there is nothing wrong with this artwork and I haven't been asked to submit WIP which I have plenty of.
Very disappointed. I'll keep it here for another hour just to see if anyone has anything to say to this, if not then we all know whats going on here.
Necky (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/23/2006 4:07:59 AM
Really excellent mate !! Still think he's arse is overly lit though You got the link to the WIP? AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/23/2006 3:35:21 AM
I'm giving it 2 more hours then I'm taking this off and going elsewhere. Taking too long.
AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/23/2006 2:05:02 AM
Must admit it is a bit on the large side. I'm very curious why this is taking so long to approve?? verfum (Level 3 Private Eye) at 8/22/2006 3:41:05 PM
Al - Sgrum is cool 
- He's old skool like us. I respect his views. One person you can rely on on this site. Unlike several jealous people I could mention. I like Sgrum. ebby (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/22/2006 3:12:55 PM
yeah, great sprite. there is nothing wrong with the size of his left or right arm. so, sqrum, that was a deconstructive crit you gave. 
Tomas (Level 4 Deputy) at 8/22/2006 2:58:08 PM
W-O-W! That's tight. And I don't agree with Sgrum about one arm looking too big. It looks perfectly fine to me. Sgrum (Level 5 Sniper) at 8/22/2006 9:36:54 AM
One constructive critic: The left arm of the Dare are diproportioned, it´s too big Sgrum (Level 5 Sniper) at 8/22/2006 9:34:06 AM
See the comments on your "Horde of Demons - Simarian" and you´ll understand my comments in this art :) AlanDryhair (Level 1 Rookie) at 8/22/2006 4:23:12 AM
PAHAHAHA I thought you were going to say that, I did mean your comment, I was starting to get paranoid, didnt want anyone getting the wrong idea 
Thanks for the wow :) Sgrum (Level 5 Sniper) at 8/22/2006 4:09:22 AM
Hey!, I didn´t say that you´re gay...I only said about your barbarian...Keywords
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