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Title: Fil
Pixel Artist: turbo_bnx  (Level 1 Rookie :: 289 points)
Posted: 11/1/2006 05:00
Palette: 121 colors
Statistics:  67 comments    86 faves    0 avatars

The elephant rider reference
The city in the skyline reference

ADMIN EDIT BY ENSELLITIS: added references

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railslave (Level 2 Kukyu) @ 3/17/2019 09:17

Reminds me of some ELOY album cover (Rodney Matthews) 


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Zephyrrite (Level 8 Guerrilla) @ 4/19/2018 18:48

damn


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OareasO (Level 3 Sergeant) @ 10/17/2017 11:07

Love it! 


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Slemsvamp (Level 6 Serial Killer) @ 12/15/2008 23:55
I'm with Fuzzyleaves! Awesome!

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Fuzzyleaves (Level 5 Detective) @ 3/26/2008 20:41
holy crap, that needs a better reward

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Barker (Level 2 Dealer) @ 3/11/2008 14:42
just whoa!      

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Kingy (Level 5 Assistant Manager) @ 1/13/2008 15:51
Best pixelart ive ever seen.

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rajkosk8 (Level 5 Detective) @ 5/4/2007 02:37
i think its fine! traced or whatever its fine!

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surt (Level 11 Godfather) @ 12/17/2006 20:39
Surely you could have done more than trace, otherwise what's the point of putting in all that work?

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horcy (Level 2 Corporal) @ 12/16/2006 11:53

awesome artwork


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Scotteh (Level 1 Jukyu) @ 12/16/2006 10:37
holy shit, this should of got 1st i think

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verfum (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 12/5/2006 15:18

Oooo -  I'm really spamming this list with two identical copies of my comment.Apologies to all. (Damn that enter-button).


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verfum (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 12/5/2006 15:16

I'd just like to apologise to turbo_bnx for my apparent discreditation of this piece in my last comment. I didn't mean it so sound so critical. I think there is a place for nice conversions like this, but unfortunately the pixeljoint community tend to frown on such work.

Strangely, although pixeljoint has a stringent pixel-art criteria, for some reason it does not restrict the number of colours used (so long as you have WIP).

I'd like to know, after all the effort you've expended in producing a 'retro' art version of this original, will you be producing a version that conforms to a particular 'retro' format - e.g. Amiga or C64?


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verfum (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 12/4/2006 16:29

Before I start my rant, I'd like to say that I initially thought this piece was great, and was about to defend its to the death from the criticism it has recieved; but then I investigated further. I have a problem - far bigger than the fact that this piece is 99-percent plagarised (this piece takes plagarism to another level - but that's another story) - my problem is with pixeljoint's vetting system....

This is my first visit to pixejoint in a couple of months. I refused to take any further (graphical) participation in pixeljoint after a couple of colleagues of mine were disheartened to find that their original, legitimate pixelart pieces were deemed to be invalid pixelart by pixeljoint. You may be thinking "but plenty of  unproven artwork is submitted for approval, and is refused" - but these guys used to work for Team-17, and none of the work they had submitted failed any of pixeljoint's criteria other than the fact that because it was so old, it had no 'work-in-progress'. Fair-enough, we thought; but then, pardon my French, how the feck does this 'Fil' piece pass the pixeljoint scrutineers ?

Am I being rash in my thinking that pixeljoint has a fundamental problem with its 'vetting' system in the fact that it allows almost complete copies of work (with or without supporting references), whereas 'old master' works, which were produced fifteen year ago with D-Paint, by the artists who worked on the likes of Project-X are barred ?!!!

Has pixeljoint 'missed a trick' by alienating the artists who originally, over a decade ago, produced game artwork in the style that pixeljoint itself is founded?


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Llama (Level 3 Hatchikyu) @ 11/17/2006 01:27
WOW!  

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Indigo (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 11/8/2006 01:35
I'd like to appologize for my harshness.  I am in no way saying that this piece required no skill.  But I still stand by what I first said - that it involves no imagingation.  Imagination/originality is what defines art for me.  But I do respect the tremendous amount of skill, time and effort put into this.  Your other pieces do show that you can pixel on your own.  I'm just not a fan of this piece being here.

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HawkTheSlayer (Level 4 Button Man) @ 11/7/2006 21:22

I am sorry if I opened up a can of worms on this piece, It was not my intention to insult turbo bnx in any way and as I stated previously, I realise that this sort of pixelling requires a great deal of skill, However, I do stand by the fact that, when placed overlaying the original, it appears to have been traced, but I may be wrong and if so I apologize to turbo bnx.

Like a lot of other people here seem to be saying a reference to the original artist or artwork would have been nice and had Rodney Matthews not have been one of my favourite fantasy artists I may not have even questioned it in the first place, I'm staring to feel sorry that I did.

I do not discredit the work involved in creating large pixel pieces and would not label it as unskilled.

Sorry turbo bnx, you are clearly a talented pixeller and I did not wish to offend you, perhaps you just need to be more honest about your sources of inspiration in future. 

This is the last I shall say on this piece.


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Helm (Level 5 Detective) @ 11/7/2006 19:14
The only 'crime' this user is guilty of is not clearly stating it's a copy. Turbo: times have changed, it's not anymore presupposed that these fullscreen pictures are almost always copies. Nowdays, when you post something like this clearly state it's a copy, and who the original artist and what the name of the peice is, if not actual uploads of the original piece.

This isn't demoscene. Artistic ethics are different. Intellectual ownership and working from imagination are more highly valued now than they where during amiga demoscene days.

This doesn't mean I discredit this, or any other demoscene piece for being a copy. I love a lot of copy work. But it's not a good idea to not mention it when you post it here or in Pixelation. I'm sure you realize this now.

Again, anyone that discredits skill because it's a reproduction should better try it and see how difficult it is before passing judgement on skill.

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 11/7/2006 18:08
a) obsesif, you need to read what ptoing said again, he was defending turbo, so you just made an ass out of yourself.

b) too many insults going on in here.  if i see one more insult/attack towards any member, i will  remove this peice asap.  arguments can still consist of some form of courtesy.

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buloght (Level 6 Hitman) @ 11/7/2006 17:11
Sorry for double post, I assume that last zip wasn't all turbo's work? And spritus is a friend as his name is on the image.

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buloght (Level 6 Hitman) @ 11/7/2006 17:04
I followed your links obsesif. I found one image that is an exact copy of this (in the top half as this has water as well):
http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/12580.htm

Welcome to pixeljoint, turbo, hope to see more works from you.

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obsesif (Level 1 Rookie) @ 11/7/2006 16:40
ptoing; why not show us how well you can do such a 'copy' and we all can see how 'retarded' you can be? i can not claim that i watched turbo doing this one, but i saw him many times on some demoparties, how he managed to stay 48 hrs at a c64, or an amiga and pixelled nearly pixel-by-pixel the whole picture. this talk should be made on how well he did his work and not about talking nonsense. if you think, this is traced/copied with matrices, just ask turbo to show off some images of his tens of disks all fill of cool pixelarts, be it sometimes copies of a painting or truly invented images like: http://www.7dx-party.org/7d5/files/gfx/Kid%202005%20-%20Turbo.zip or http://www.7dx-party.org/7d3/files/gfx.zip

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ptoing (Level 7 Underboss) @ 11/7/2006 15:48
I stand by what I said, saying it takes no skill to do something like this = retarded.

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ebby (Level 1 Rookie) @ 11/7/2006 10:46
ptoing, please have a bit respect towards other people's opinions, no matter how much you think you know.

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grim666 (Level 1 Rookie) @ 11/7/2006 07:32
now thats cool little dark in the face but ok HOOOOOOO!

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HawkTheSlayer (Level 4 Button Man) @ 11/7/2006 06:52

I aggree with ptoing that it does involve a certain amount of pixelling skill, but still find it hard to believe the fact that it wasn't traced, as I pointed out earlier; this image, when placed on top of the original one found at Rodney Matthew's web stie is exactly the same size in almost every aspect. Now using a reference from a book or magazine would never result in this happening, maybe using a grid method on two windows; one with the original image and one to create in could possibly result in closer similarities, however, even then you would expect to see some degree of distortions in the proportions of the finished picture, even most of the demoscene pictures on the amiga and ST suffered from exactly this.

Try it yourself with Pshop or Graphics Gale, use two layers and see how closely they overlay.

Now if turbo bnx created this purely with pixel talent then I am very sorry for my opinion, but there appears too many factors to suggest that it required a little less effort than people may think at first. 


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ptoing (Level 7 Underboss) @ 11/7/2006 05:36
Everyone saying there is no skill involved should first try it themselves.

Also I am pretty sure it is not traced, but eyeballed from a picture or done with the grid method.

Also, people being surprised at demosceners doing copies, READ UP ON YOUR PIXELART HISTORY! Copies were and still are a common thing in the demoscene. Originally the point was not to create artistically visionary stuff, point was to make something that looks awesome on the C64, Amiga, PC whatever machine you do the pic for and back in those days there was no photoshop.

Of course I have no clue how recent this is but I still doubt it was traced. I for myself don't see any artistic merit in copying either most of the time, but saying it does not involve skill is just retarded.

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ebby (Level 1 Rookie) @ 11/7/2006 02:17
i also vote for this to be removed. people are still favouriting it because they look at the picture and don't read. there is no skill involved in this. Rodney Matthews is the only one here can be proud.

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Larwick (Level 8 Regional Boss) @ 11/6/2006 16:13
Of course, there's nothing wrong with tracing and at the time you did it i'm sure you would have gotten alot of praise (well, you will now aswel). It's just that Pixeljoint has some guidelines, and this is so strongly referenced that i won't look upto it as much as i originally did. Very pleasing to look at nevertheless.. just not as 'pixel art'.

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Adarias (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 11/6/2006 14:58
gotta admit, seeing such a direct reference moved this down from a 7/7 to a 4/7, because now theres no idea, only technical skill, and thats only part of the game (i rounded up though because you did put some thought into arrangement and coloring choices)

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Pawige (Level 3 Hatchet Man) @ 11/6/2006 11:46
I've guess I've just never quite been able to understand the point of taking someone else's work like that, referenced or not. It just seems like such an empty accomplishment, spending weeks (I assume it took weeks to copy it so precisely) in a task a computer is much more suited for. What do you have in the end? Certainly not something you can honestly call your own. If somebody could tell me what the attraction is there, I would be grateful.

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turbo_bnx (Level 1 Rookie) @ 11/6/2006 05:26

Btw. ofcourse I do respect that the original should be referenced.


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turbo_bnx (Level 1 Rookie) @ 11/6/2006 05:21

I dont know what NPA means. This does not mean that I dont respect the original... At that time, I didn't know its source, saw it somewhere printed and copied it pixel-by-pixel. If copying should be shamefull, there are tons of copies made by art-students to expand their workquality; the students also should be shamefull of these.


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obsesif (Level 1 Rookie) @ 11/6/2006 05:04
Hi, its surely cool, but to reply to the fact that is copied, surely it is. At the time this has been made, it was popular to re-create personal favoured paintings with pixels and there are lots of such images on the Amiga demos, slideshows... This does not mean that these are 'shamelessly' transferred. No, they are pixeled by hand and of course the reference to the rightfull owner of the image has been mentioned in the scrolltexts/infotexts in the demo itself. I do not mention the respectless copies of art, made by big artists, painters and sculpters in the whole art history, but creating a derivative art is also a subject of art-ethics.
Please do comment on the quality of the pixelization and gradients, or if it is a good replica or not. Turbo himself should stated that it is a copy, that's his failure. But he also didn't stated, that it's a product of his imagination. A mis-interpretation should not lcloud the fact that this is a good pixelled-replica of a painting.

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Souly (Level 5 Killer Klown) @ 11/5/2006 15:21
I vote to remove this piece.
I very much suspect this to be NPA since it's details are to the tee.
All that's been changed is the palette.

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Pawige (Level 3 Hatchet Man) @ 11/5/2006 11:50
That's because it IS a painting, rather shamelessly copied, and unreferenced at that. Kudos to Rodney Matthews though, he's a wicked cool artist.

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Sensei (Level 1 Hired Gun) @ 11/5/2006 09:39
Truly amazing work, this doesnt look like pixelart, this looks like a painting. The colors, environment...
This picture is so good it can not be described in words. When I first saw this I had tears in my eyes.

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JerryPie (Level 11 Godfather) @ 11/5/2006 08:02
I motion this be removed from the pixel joint. This is unfair to other pixel artists...and to the original artist of this image as well. It would have been a tad different if he referenced them in the first place, but the fact that he tried to sneak it by is very shady. I distrust this persons work now.

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Indigo (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 11/5/2006 01:38
its disturbing that every last detail, even the most small and un-noticeable wrinkles were copied onto yours.  this involved no creativity, thus no artistry in my oppinion.

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jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) @ 11/4/2006 14:39
Overlaying it over the ref images and playing with some Pshop filters I move this to the NPA pile :/

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Skull (Level 11 CEO) @ 11/4/2006 13:28
I love the detail and the rich colour of the elephant. Superb work.

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dm404 (Level 5 Detective) @ 11/4/2006 12:39
Even if it was referenced off an exsisting image, I still find it to be quite impressive that you were able to make such a near accurate low res rendition of it. :)

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Blick (Level 6 Commander) @ 11/3/2006 14:20
Aye, thor got the full image links before I did.

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Blick (Level 6 Commander) @ 11/3/2006 14:19
For those too lazy to find it themselves
The elephant rider reference
The city in the skyline reference
Still an impressive piece. It's obvious you're still skilled at pixel art, although as HawkTheSlayer mentioned, the tracing makes it less impressive than it was on first impression.

Make sure you show your references next time, it makes you seem like you're being deceitful if you don't.

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thor (Level 1 Depressed) @ 11/3/2006 14:18
Your references:
http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/963/drumboogiecg7.jpg
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/3780/nomeancityvm3.jpg

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Sgrum (Level 5 Captain) @ 11/3/2006 13:51
WOW :O

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ebby (Level 1 Rookie) @ 11/3/2006 10:34
would be nice if turbo bnx could have posted the traced image. not nice trying to pretend this is your own work.

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thor (Level 1 Depressed) @ 11/3/2006 08:28
The city above with the clouds over the moon is also copied from his website (Rodney Matthews):
http://www.rodneymatthews.com/gfx/nomeancity_thumb.jpg

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HawkTheSlayer (Level 4 Button Man) @ 11/3/2006 07:56

I have to admit that the pixelling skills used here are highly impressive and I can find no fault with the background image, however I have my doubts about a couple of things.

You see, the elephant type creature, along with the tribal drummer seen riding it are part of a classic picture by the legendary fantasy artist Rodney Matthews (one of my favourite artists.), entitled 'Drum Boogie', , now I find nothing wrong with copying a picture into pixel format if you want to, but when comparing this picture with the original found on the official Rodney Matthews web site's gallery page, the two share some almost remarkable similarities.

By overlapping the two using layers in Graphics Gale it is clear that they are pretty much exactly the same size, which would be nearly impossibe if copying from an external source, indicating that the original was in fact used as a trace layer.

Now although I am impressed by the skill used to create this picure I find the finised result a little less remarkable than I first thought. 


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spritus (Level 1 Intern) @ 11/3/2006 03:54
excellent 



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