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Title: Self Portrait
Pixel Artist: jeremy  (Level 11 Sphinx :: 54525 points)
Posted: 1/31/2009 17:31
Palette: 15 colors
Statistics:  31 comments    0 faves    0 avatars

 

The detail file is what I use on msn.

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 2/2/2009 12:39

Yeah. The reduxes deffinitely look more like the photo than my piece but much less like me. After all, I did make some minor changes from the ref. because it is, indeed, a reference. I can definitely appreciate your point about straight copying the photo taking no skill whatsoever- I could have easily basically traced the ref. by counting how many px in the chin, then the cheeks etc.

K, no more piece whoring from me


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 2/2/2009 08:00
in any case, if any of you want to continue this discussion, feel free to use the chatterbox or the forums. don't whore this piece anymore with your discussions.

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sharprm (Level 4 Deputy) @ 2/2/2009 06:35
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e199/sharprm/colo9r.png

On the left is a color reduced one. You can see the hair where it is less cleaned up is messy. That messiness is one of the reasons why i said yours has the look of color reduced photo.

So one on far left is color reduced, one to the right is Jeremy's. The one on the left each pixel is not placed by hand. But the result is very similar. Why is one pixel art but the other not? Assuming pixel art requires no skill, wouldn't it be better if the definition of pixel art didn't depend on the method? That way there would be no witchhunts ... people could experiment with shortcuts and post their results ... check out Castlevania:

http://www.mobygames.com/game/nintendo-ds/castlevania-order-of-ecclesia/screenshots/gameShotId,333585/
http://www.mobygames.com/game/nintendo-ds/castlevania-order-of-ecclesia/screenshots/gameShotId,333590/

It superior to pixel stuff on this site but I doubt it was entirely done by hand. Shouldn't this kind of art be allowed?

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 2/1/2009 23:48
Yup.

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sharprm (Level 4 Deputy) @ 2/1/2009 23:44
Just to be clear I never said it looks like your method is color reduction (ie. many differences from photo)- just the result (eg. it looks like hypothetically someone could have produced this using a different photo and color reducing). I'll do a color reduction from the ref you supplied but if you have a higher resolution ref that would help me.

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 2/1/2009 23:38
You or anyone else can be my guest in colour reducing the original photo, I have actually drawn this photo before (In pencil) so I'm not exactly unfimiliar with it

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sharprm (Level 4 Deputy) @ 2/1/2009 23:21
jeremy - I'm making a point about the definition of pixel art. If you are just started out, don't concern yourself with what I'm saying. Basically the current definition promotes suspicion and assumes that pixelling requires skill. I don't see why pixelling something that looks color reduced is okay but color reducing something and making it look pixelled is not. wormwood- I've done copying photos and drawing original art - I know the former is much easier. It was therefore disrespectful to suggest someone good at the later is incapable of copying a photo (the main point of the hyperbole). The question i directed at metaru is that color reducing might not only be to get attention, but may be an aid (much like scanning a drawing for lineart) to achieve better art.

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 2/1/2009 22:47
I honestly have no idea of either what the features of photo reductions are or hardly anything about traditional pixel art. My earliest memory of ever seeing PA was pokemon silver on my GBA.

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wormwood (Level 1 Rookie) @ 2/1/2009 22:28

sharprm...
Yes, images looking good at 1x is a feature of photo reduction. So what? The same is true of pixel art for GBA/ NDS/ Mobiles/ Icons/ Avatars/ etc. Jeremy made this for use as an avatar so it was only ever intended to be viewed at 1x.
Saying pixel art should look good at 2x is not a reasonable definition. GBA and NDS pixel art is not viewed at 2x and Pixel Joint displays images at 1x by default.
Any fool can't copy a photo in pixels.
Do you personally know JinnDEvil's skill range. I saw no examples of anything close to photo simulation in his gallery.
I know the definition of jealousy. I suspect you referred to the OED.
No, I never even suggested he was jealous. You merely imagined it.
Trust is unconditional by definition. And it is not exclusive to marriage.
I know this is an art site, so of course there should be a focus on aesthetics. What's your point?
Metaru did not say perfection starts with a pixel program. I'm sure he's heard of drawing.
Do you suffer from hallucinations as well?


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sharprm (Level 4 Deputy) @ 2/1/2009 20:13
Jeremy - Although this is designed to look good at 1x, surely you would agree that this is also a feature of photo-reductions and not traditional pixel art, where low resolution meant pieces were effectively viewed at 2x zoom. Saying pixel art should look good at 2x is a reasonable definition to me. wormwood - any fool can copy a photo - it would not be out of JinnD's skill range. Definition of jealous/envy: a feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's qualities. Isn't that what you suggested? If you want unconditional trust go get married. This is an art site. There should be a focus on aesthetics. metaru - ever considered road to perfection doesn't necessarily start out in the pixel program - perhaps a drawing on paper etc. ?

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wormwood (Level 1 Rookie) @ 2/1/2009 19:25

sharprm...
What absolute twaddle. Genuine trust is unconditional. And how is my familiarity, or lack of, with JinnDEvil's work even relevant? I think his work is brilliant if it's of any significance to you. I neither said he was jealous or ordered his apology. I simply suggested the reason for his original cynicism was because Jeremy's style of pixeling is not within his ability.

Metaru...
Oh, so that's the kind of support and shared learning you were talking about.

 


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 2/1/2009 18:53
now that purple makes no sense :/

as i see it, this hasnt been finished, i'd rather take it back to the WIP stage and finish it instead of editing it every 3 comments.

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 2/1/2009 18:50

@Met: I've changed it to a desaturated purple and think it looks much better. I need to break the habit of sticking to the same colours as I choose in the beginning and not noticing ow they look until someone points out a fault.

@sharprm:Of course this was designed to look best at 1x. That is the "default" size and this piece, of course, is designed to be an avatar.


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Metaru (Level 8 Brigadier General) @ 2/1/2009 18:29
not everyone wants to take the long road to perfection pixel by pixel. even as bad as it sounds, you should be aware of how easily and tempting is to fake an image and pass it as pixel art, just to earn some attention from people.

and it happens at all levels, and to everyone. being able to be suspicious and doubt when a piece is valid or not is part of the abilities that you earn from time to time since your eyes is trained to notice the difference between an automated work from the hard, hand made pixels. we're not here to flame or attack but rather to support and learn.
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back on the piece, i think the piece was looking great on your 1st wip, but it rather took a way too drastic change when you used that gray color. a purple would be more subtle and more effective, imo. and the difference between the shirt and the rest is still too big :V

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sharprm (Level 4 Deputy) @ 2/1/2009 18:19
I don't doubt Jeremy has placed each pixel by hand. So it satisfies the 'pixel art definition' for this site. However, it is messy. It also looks okay at one times zoom but looks poor at two times zoom. Hence I think a photo-reduction would look similar (or possibly better?). If this site wanted more 'trust' it would need to be acknowledged that firstly 1. the process of pixel art requires no skill - a monkey could be taught to dither 2. hence it doesn't matter how the piece was put together 3. a definition for pixel art (to separate it from other digital art) based on the requirement for small number of colors (<128 say), clean aesthetic etc. Then a piece like this could be judged to be pixel art without a mini witchhunt ("where are you wips?"). Wip can be easily faked so what is the point? Wormwood - did you even look at JinDevil's stuff? Its like telling DaVinci he is jealous of the man who painted his bathroom and ordering him to apologize.

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 2/1/2009 17:47

@Adam: Your edit's gone too far the other way- it looks a bit more like the ref but less like me. Of course, you should have no way of knowing that  I've changed the shirt a bit, tried to convey the stripes more subtly.

@wormwood: It's fine, really

@Lollige: Thanks, it was interesting to experiment about how a bit of the pink around the outside of a part of the face makes that part pinker 'n' stuff. This was a great experience


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wormwood (Level 1 Rookie) @ 2/1/2009 11:58
What's the point in any of us participating in this site if we don't trust that one another has created what they submit. If someone submits a piece that was not created by their own hand then they are the only one to lose out. Mistrust and suspicion are a waste of mental energy and will tarnish your soul :)

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Adam (Level 9 Human) @ 2/1/2009 10:55

I was suspecting dirty tools as well, because of the different level of techniques and color selection method on the different parts.

I think the likeness to the original could be improved by cutting back the hair a bit widening the jaw and forehead. Made a quick edit, not sure if it is better or not. And that shirt looks really rushed...


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wormwood (Level 1 Rookie) @ 2/1/2009 09:47

Sorry if I offended you JinnDEvil, but I didn't put words in your mouth. I simply suggested a reason for you accusing Jeremy of deceit. So what was your reason for doubting his hand pixeling ability?

I notice you haven't offered Jeremy an apology.


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Hapiel (Level 11 Bonsai) @ 2/1/2009 07:17
Very well done on getting this extremely dithered piece smooth at 1x view!

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 1/31/2009 20:49
No problem, it's actually quite flattering for it to be thought of as a redux

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Jinn (Level 11 Cthulhu (The Call of Cthulhu)) @ 1/31/2009 20:37
{ I think it ceased my curiosity, thanks for the consideration.

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 1/31/2009 20:34

Like I said, they're pretty early- Just colour choice, definition of different forms etc.

One and Two


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Jinn (Level 11 Cthulhu (The Call of Cthulhu)) @ 1/31/2009 20:29
{ Worm... Just don't put words in my mouth, right? thanks.

And btw, I would love to see those WIPs.

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 1/31/2009 20:20

But I reeeally don't want to add another colour

Also, I just tried it and it doesn't really make much of an improvement : /


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wormwood (Level 1 Rookie) @ 1/31/2009 20:07

Nice dither work Jeremy. Maybe put 1 white pixel on the teeth and raise the back of the puffins head 1 pixel.

JinnDEvil is like those people who think crop circles MUST be made by aliens because they can't believe humans could make them simply because they couldn't do it themselves.


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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 1/31/2009 19:57
Needed a 3 colour repeating animal patters so I chose puffins

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Antiboton (Level 8 Odds and Ends) @ 1/31/2009 19:51
Looool, why those BGs? Funny.

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jeremy (Level 11 Sphinx) @ 1/31/2009 19:17

@Arylic: I am meant to be wearing glasses

@Jinn: Why not? It's hardly as good as much of the stuff on this site and I don't have any software capable of colour reduction except for "save as 16 colour bmp" in MS paint. I only saved a couple of early WIPs plus a couple of minor changes in the collab thread but I'll show them if you really want : /


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Arylic (Level 4 Lieutenant) @ 1/31/2009 19:12
IT looks good but there are some minor bugs in it such as random green and pink pixels which make the pixel art of you look like your wearing a eye glass...

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Jinn (Level 11 Cthulhu (The Call of Cthulhu)) @ 1/31/2009 18:28
{ I don't think this is really made by hand...

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