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Title: are you gonna fly with me?
Pixel Artist: Jocher  (Level 3 Private Eye :: 4613 points)
Posted: 9/15/2009 11:19
Palette: 23 colors
Statistics:  37 comments    44 faves    0 avatars

Well, new pic. i was verry verry fast, i dont now why but i was fast. it is a lonely plane. no, not a normal plane. it look more like a flat in a plane. in the picture are some seats. under the seats is a hose. 


over the table is a window with some clouds. it was easy to do the clouds. the cockpit was verry hard to do. but the hardest thing to do was the curtains. i hope

you see the coffemashine over the seats. next to the cabinett are some things to eat. i use some refs for the details in the cockpit. i'am verry happy about the details.


on the wall hang some tickets and postits. in the box to the front is some trash.

i hope you enjoy it :)


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skamocore (Level 11 Dolphin) @ 10/14/2009 03:04

This is a long post(s), but make sure you read all of it:

I have a feeling that some of the credit for your work should go to these two guys. Who are they, you ask? Robert W. Floyd and Louis Steinberg, their work appears in many graphics programs. They were the creators of the Floyd-Steinberg dithering algorithm, which I (and number of other members) fear you may have been using on many of your pieces. In fact, no fewer than 15 people have voiced their concerns about your pieces, mostly high profile members. Surely you have seen some of these accusations posted on your pieces. However, you have made no real effort to respond to these - only vague promises, avoidance and what appear to be mostly faked WIP stages.

This is the Wikipedia page for Floyd-Steinberg dithering, have a look at it and also look at the dithering patterns on the provided image. Distinctive patterns of this dithering algorithm appear in this submission and other submissions from you. I feel that it is quite likely that this image (and others by you) were colour reduced from a higher resolution image. Now, I have created an image to illustrate my point:

The top image is the gradient I reduced.
The second image is the resultant reduction.
The third image is a portion of "are you gonna fly with me?".
The fourth and fifth images show similarities between the two images.

The colours shown on the fourth and fifth images are examples of similarities between the dithering in a gradient reduced using "Indexed color" in Photoshop and the patterns in "are you gonna fly with me?". What we can see is a number of common patterns. Yes, there are some 'regular' dithering patterns present - however, these coloured patterns are almost indicative of colour reduction algorithms; simply put, they do not appear to be human devised dithering patterns. I won't explain each of the colours as I think the visual shows what it needs to show. What I will explain, however, is that the main indication is the inexplicable elongated pixels present in your dithering; these common elongated pixels seem to serve no purpose within a human created image.

Could you truly answer these questions - Why 50% dither then abruptly use a horizontal line next to it? Why have three dithered pixels just slightly separated from the rest of the dithering? Why dither once in the middle of an otherwise straight line? The excuse of "i just set pixels every where, and thats came out :)" doesn't really fly with me, especially since most of the patterns aren't 'random' at all - they are, in fact, very close to the dithering that would be produced by an algorithm. Have a look at this; it is an example of non-"normal" dithering that would be almost impossible to replicate with an automatic dithering algorithm - and it also looks a lot nicer!

skamocore (Level 11 Dolphin) @ 10/14/2009 03:03


And I haven't even mentioned the other accounts that are linked to your IP yet; there are meny of them. Yes, they may all be your brothers, cousins, co-workers, basketball teammates etc... But what makes this highly suspicious is the fact that all of these people seem to conceal their actual location. Why would all of the people tied to your (German) IP claim to be from entirely different countries? Also, the work submitted with these IPs is also very suspect. Furthermore, two of these accounts have commented on your pieces saying that they will vote for you, if these accounts do indeed belong to you then that could be considered vote rigging. You have been questioned about these other accounts and have not given any response.

Having said all of that, this piece will now be sent back for revision at least until you provide the WIP animation that you were promising to provide once you 'return home'. And make sure that if you are going to provide a WIP that it is not one of those successive colour removal WIPs, such as this. Your WIP stages have been commented on by several members, one member pointed out an anomaly in the aforementioned WIP animation illustrated by this image:

He comments that you place "some dark pixels in the piece, that aren't really effective until many frames later [...] something just seems very strange with that WIP."

Anyway, I will, however leave your other pieces in the gallery for the time being. But consider this post as the final warning. I will try and make this as clear as possible:

You WILL be banned if you post another colour reduction, rip, edit or any other kind of NPA or anything that looks like a colour reduction, rip, edit or any other kind of NPA. Just so we're on the same page here - pixel art is an art form where manual control is placed on every single pixel in the image. Every single pixel should have a known purpose.

Thank you for reading, I hope to actually see some pixel art from you in the future.

skamocore (Level 11 Dolphin) @ 10/14/2009 03:03


The few dithering examples I've selected from your image are far from all of the examples present in the image (and for that matter all of your images); these are just a few telltale signs located in just one part of one of your images. One thing that I haven't shown in the above image is the presence of stray pixels, and there are a lot of them scattered around your gallery. There is no need to illustrate this as stray pixels are sloppy and lazy at the best of times; there is no reason that I can think of for a single dark pixel to appear in the middle of a large light patch.

In terms of colours, I feel as though there are several parts in your image which display abnormal colour selection, particularly areas of unusually low contrast - this has also been a problem with several of your other images. One example of a combination of colours I find to be extremely jarring is the pairing of #4c4539 and #404040. One other prominent member has found your colour selection to be rather unusual too. This particular member comments that his modified version of the image, based on one 'WIP' from the Wilhelm Screamer challenge, "adds so much depth that its hard to believe he drew it the way he did, with the colors that he did.":

your image

the edit

The algorithm I suspect you used is similar to other algorithms that you may have come in contact with in your every day life. For example, there are subtle differences between instructions from a GPS and human perception. A GPS may fool some people into thinking that it is forming 'smart decisions', however its inhuman decision making can be glaringly obvious to others.

Hopefully these examples illustrates why I feel that your image was not created by "hand". Feel free to prove to me otherwise. Now, this could all be an extremely weird coincidence - twice struck by lightning weird - but this is not an isolated case. You have submitted a colour reduction before, a proven colour reduction, albeit a more cleaned up reduction - And it was a rip too!. You didn't even cite your sources until you were explicitly prompted and you also just accepted comments about the character design, suggesting you were content with accepting praise for a character design not done by you. Furthermore, no mention of Valve was given (however, this is not nearly as bad, as Gordon Freeman is a well known character).

Regardless, the presence of that piece implies you are familiar with colour reductions. Therefore, we can only assume that you are unaware that this in unacceptable? This post, however says otherwise and seems to indicate that you are aware that colour reductions are something that should not occur on this site.

Jocher (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 10/8/2009 22:05

 sorry for that, but i'am not at home for the next week

jamon (Level 10 Operative) @ 10/7/2009 02:32

and... WIP....

Jabber (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 10/2/2009 22:53

 This is very beautiful. I like the small glimpse you get of the cockpit devices.

Jocher (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 9/29/2009 22:08

yes, the wip come. i just have to do the animation =)

iLKke (Level 9 Nidan) @ 9/29/2009 02:28

Would you care to share your working stages with us?

Also, a reference would be nice, unless you've drawn this completely out of your head.

Ambient (Level 6 Major) @ 9/22/2009 18:56

I like the color style, and the entire thing :). It'd be cool if you had a bit of a head sticking out of the lower open cubbord with one of those WW II pilot helmets sitting to the side of it.

Bongo (Level 1 Gangster) @ 9/21/2009 19:30

great work on this, pretty nice style; very realistic!!!

mrduke (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 9/19/2009 15:51

I wish this was a "point and click" adventure game. Very good job!

sapphira83 (Level 4 Button Man) @ 9/18/2009 20:07

oh my god. dude this is so great. very nice details.

miham09 (Level 1 Depressed) @ 9/18/2009 13:17

amazing, love this style

keep it coming

lytron (Level 5 Assistant Manager) @ 9/18/2009 12:28

You can be verry happy about the details, and, oh, about the curtain too!

dakael (Level 5 Killer Klown) @ 9/18/2009 03:06

Very nice. Looks almost like photo.

blueleds (Level 1 Rookie) @ 9/17/2009 23:54


Now, I'm not saying this is color-reduced, but just that my first impression on the green seats was that they appeared color-reduced which kills the pixel-art quality a little.. but otherwise, everything else is really good work!

Jocher (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 9/17/2009 21:55

 wow, i dont know that there is something in the clouds too.

Yogurt (Level 6 Centaur) @ 9/17/2009 21:17

Hahaha I saw that too, but a little different.

anyway, I like this, very nice

Dr D (Level 4 Shichikyu) @ 9/17/2009 19:43

DawnBringer (Level 10 Maniac) @ 9/17/2009 11:12

Regardless if this image would have been color-reduced, as long as this is the original work of the author, it's quite brilliant. Jocher, you are a diamond in the rough.

jamon (Level 10 Operative) @ 9/17/2009 01:15

Nice picture....  

spoiling that this is color reduction from trucolor image... =(  RoboBOT you are right...

TheInquisitor (Level 4 Shichikyu) @ 9/16/2009 16:13

You've got some nice ideas in you, Jocher and some of your stuff is very nice and others show a lot of promise, but I really think you're rushing out too many pics at once. This one could be so much more if you took a little more time and care with it and perhaps took some more time to get critique on Pixelation or something. With a little more patience I reckon you could be submitting some really top notch pieces on a regular basis.

This one itself shows a lot of promise but then it looks so rough and incomplete which lets it down heavily.

RoboBOT (Level 7 Captain) @ 9/16/2009 13:26

(I doubt this is a color reduction)

This looks great!  I like how you conveyed so much detail with so few color ramps. The mood of the piece is excellent. I agree tho that the beige/green/grey color ramp needs a bit of improvement. The back corner of the seat on the end really stands out. Great job, you should do more scenes!

Jocher (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 9/16/2009 11:50

 ah okay, i still dont like the normal dithering. i just set pixels every where, and thats came out :)

iLKke (Level 9 Nidan) @ 9/16/2009 11:19

Nice colors.

Skurwy87 (Level 6 Made) @ 9/16/2009 11:19

color-reduction means that you use an automatic tool in a given painting software that automatically reduces the amount of colors to a given number. you can e.g. make a true color image in photoshop which uses a palette of 300 colors then use this tool to reduce the number to say 16. while using this feature you often have an option to automatically dither surfaces that have many different colors. and it looks exactly like in your work ;) maybe im just over-sensitive; no need to change anything; just wanted to share my thoughts. its a good work anyway. :)

Jocher (Level 3 Private Eye) @ 9/16/2009 11:07

 thanks, what does it mean color reduction? i do it by hand. may i change the dithering ;)

Skurwy87 (Level 6 Made) @ 9/16/2009 09:55

well mate i dont wanna ruin the party but some of the bits in this piece look as if they were color-reduced from some more complex medium, i mean a photoshop sketch or something. the dithering especially looks very random in places. you know, i never considered it a bad thing, this color-reduction if the sketch is of your own, but you could polish it a little more -- add some color to the beige-green/grey ramp so that it doesnt stand out like that. if you did it all by hand, no reduction, no tricks, then im really impressed. welcome to pixeljoint, wish you many happy moments in here!

Photocopier (Level 11 Godfather) @ 9/16/2009 08:24


conjurs up a Romantic image of a lonely person who travels alone from place to place in their home/plane

Peach (Level 6 Made) @ 9/16/2009 02:45

very nice... love the details in the dark zones. well done!

sharprm (Level 4 Deputy) @ 9/15/2009 20:14

Looks good. what kind of plane is it? what is above the drawers on the bottom right?

crusader333 (Level 3 Stalker) @ 9/15/2009 19:59

I think its a pun. I don't know if it's intentional but I see a disgruntled man, pointing, in the clouds.....

I really like this, the colours are really nice, awesome atmosphear and details

Manupix (Level 11 Godzilla) @ 9/15/2009 14:57

Welcome on board Air Pixel! ;-) Great stuff!!!

The title should be 'are you gonna fly with me?' (no, I won't). I had first read 'are you gonna fight with me?' and was going to ask for explanations...

onek (Level 6 Hitman) @ 9/15/2009 13:40

wow very nice, so much detail, love it!... great textures

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