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Thanx! Nice to hear a voice of reason for a change. I removed the piece beacuse I simply didn't wanted this wast array of negativity to be the first thing ppl see when they look at my gallery. Maybe I'll post it again sometime in a collage or something.
It's a shame that this piece was revoked from the challenge. Regardless of the thought or reasoning behind its creation, it was truly a nice piece. I'd consider it far better than most of the entries in this challenge, and I was truly expecting that it would place in the end. In whole, I don't see much "spirit" involved with particular challenge at all. The layout and mere idea of "tetris vision" is way too ambiguous; just from reading the description I didn't see any provocation for entries to portray ANY spirited or creative ideas. It just told the contestants to "Show us what you can make using one of the tetrominoic canvases shown below".. The contest itself might as well have been called "Draw Us a Picture". I'm not saying that people dont have the right to question or critique his motives. But eventually the overlying concern regarding this entire piece became "Why did you enter this into the competition?"; to the point where nobody paid any attention to the actual technique and artistic concepts involved in the piece. In fact, there was not ONE meaningful post that involved ANY critique other than his motive behind it's creation. In my opinion that's a very bad reflection of the artistic values of the people in Pixel Joint. Again, I'm not saying that your critique was an injustice to the artist of this piece, I'm just saying that to me it's shameful. It's shameful that this is the community's response to a great work of art, and it's shameful that he revoked it from the contest and his gallery.
Ok, I'm waaay too lazy to read the whole thing, but I think that everyone here is just over reacting and that we should all calm down before this gets nasty.
Are you seriously considering yourself as a martyr being "hit with all kinds of accusations and insults" ? C'mon, let's do some soul searching.
Yes, of course, you're guilty of not giving your best. Every artist should feel guilty in this situation. It's not the end of the world, but yup, it's a shame.
Obviously, you didn't understand that the "individual minds" you evock were not talking about their "values", but about PJ values and about what actually means the word "challenge".
I was about to forget : Amazing work, you're the best ! Don't want to see my comment reported ;)
Let's see... I drew a picture, I entered a challenge in good spirit with an 8 color image; knowing I had basically no chance of placing, coz I don't care about ribbons (ok, I don't mind the blue ones ;) )...I just think challenges are lighthearted fun and a good motivator to push oneself to finish things.
Then all of a sudden I'm hit with all kinds of accusations and insults that I don't even understand... Am I an ambitious ribbon-stealer? Guilty of not living up to my potential?? Is this picture too good or too bad for PJ??? Am I rude for not responding to "criticism" that I don't grasp???? Should I have to defend (or revoke) my participation in totally free challenge beacuse my ART in some individuals minds might be concidered as not 100% spiritually compliant with THEIR values?????
Jeez, who are you people?
I drew a picture... should I not have done that?
@RedKnight91, Cecilia & others: Thank you, that was the simple response I was hoping for. :)
@DawnBringer, everyone has the right to express their opinion on any piece. This includes negative comments, real or perceived, to a piece. I think Pragz was not been out of line in expressing her opinion and nothing is mean spirited in her comment to warrant any hostility. To be honest her main point is very valid and has plenty of truth. You certainly can pixel and your skills are not even questioned by her, matter of fact she praises them. With her last line giving you the 2 clear choices to you could make Its dissappoing that you chose to report instead of understanding that this week you did not fully explore the challenge in its spirit and seeing as how concerned you are about your 'streaks' you should be too.
That is a very fine work for the weekly challenge! Good Luck!
can't believe this is just 8 colors! you're great, nice piece : )
And where does that put you as an artist? Challenges are devised in ways that make people expand upon their creative talents while adhering to guidelines and furthening their skills. This allows them to become better artists by stirring their creative juices, teaching them how to work with limitations, and how to do things on a time limit.
What you exhibit is completely counterproductive to the work these challenges present. How does this make you better? Do you honestly think that if someone contracted you to do a piece and you skirted their rules and guidelines they'd accept it? Hell no. They wouldn't pay you and find someone else who would do the job.
Sure, the work is good. The outcome is not. This does not add to your gallery in any way, as now all these commenters just see you as someone out for ribbions and attention.
Go ahead and report this post if you will. This isn't an "insane or hostile rant," and is "constructive" and "[contains] some amount of logic and sanity."
@Hatch: I was talking about the artist rather than his art. Art should be reviwed; but objecting to an artist's personal process and motivations is not criticism; it's irritation, jealousy, harrasment or worse...
And I'm not bashing people asking for a full version, that's flattering :) ... but this is my piece, my choice. Period.
I was not in any way suggesting that this ought to be removed from the challenge and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I was simply questioning why you felt it necessary to force it into being a challenge piece at all rather than doing it justice and giving it a canvas that makes sense for it. This is no different than suggesting a tweak in the palette or an area that could use an adjustment in AA or the placement of a cast shadow--it's just a critique. I maintain that critique (that it would have functioned better as a stand-alone piece and that it seems to me to defeat the purpose of having a "challenge" if you don't use the restrictions as a test of your abilities) and also reiterate that I'm not suggesting this is breaking any rules, just that it's following the letter rather than the spirit of the whole challenge idea.
That's simply not true. While the moderation has no issues with this piece since it fits all technical requirements and there are no subjective requirements this week, any member has every right in the world to question and criticize. Every month or so there's some challenge piece that skirts the edges of the restrictions and there's lots of healthy dialogue about it, because the artist chooses to address the criticism rather than ignore and deflect. It is, of course, your right to do either, but don't tell others they're not allowed to criticise in the first place.
There is no reason why I or any other artist should not be allowed to make a gallery addition or enter any competition; with any piece, deviced through whatever creative and artistic process, as long as it adheres to all stipulated rules and requirements; without being questioned and criticized for the mere presence or participation.
It's inflammatory and belittling to suggest that all these people's critiques--which are the same consistent fact, notably--are born entirely of jealousy. It's disappointing that you'd chalk up a genuine concern about the nature of this piece and its suitability to the challenge restrictions as being the product of jealousy. I'm not even entering this challenge--what do *I* have to be jealous of?
(By the way, I foresee that you will point to the smiley and say it was a joke. Joke or not, it was horribly belittling to all the people who took the time to comment on your work. You may also claim that it was directed specifically at someone else, but it doesn't read that way what with the "so much" part. Just heading those off at the pass.)
You typically deal really well with constructive critique and use it to your advantage--I'm not sure what about this specifically is putting you so far on the defensive. Given the fact that it's been a motif in the comments that this doesn't feel like a challenge piece, doesn't that just lend it validity? I know this sounds like I'm trying to stir up trouble and maybe I am, if an explanation for why you feel the need to dismiss your commenters like lowly peons is trouble. I know you felt ganged up on re: something else recently and maybe this is me projecting too hard but it feels like you're now thinking this is an instance of the same. I can't speak for all the commenters but most of what appears in this comment thread (not all, most) feels like sincere critique and an attempt to open a dialogue about the whole point of the weekly challenges. That doesn't seem like jealousy to me. To suggest it is was incredibly disrespectful to the people who took the time to leave feedback for you, even if you were joking (it didn't feel, by the way, at all like a joke).
I apologize if you feel like I am (and everyone else is) just trying to find a way to diss your piece or something. I'm not and I'm willing to bet that (most of) the other comments aren't either. I also apologize if you feel ganged up on--admittedly, I should have posted the bulk of my critique in my original comment, but I was feeling lazy and decided to come back to it when I had more to say and a better way to say it.
But yeah, this my attempt to clarify the situation and yes, I'll admit it, call you out on your jealousy comment which I felt was totally out of line. I was personally insulted by that and felt I had a right to defend myself in my usual rambling, wall-of-text fashion. I'll drop the subject now, in any case.
Wow, so much jealousy - I must be doing something right!? :D
@dogmeat: Nope, this piece is 100% ref-free and the palette is all me. (Not strange for good 8 color palettes to show some similarities, if you understand color-theory.) Btw. Which piece are you talking about?...could be fun to compare.
might want to give credit to tremulants palette, at least it looks almost identical to one of his pieces.
Please remain civil and respectful, everyone. Pragz, your concerns may be valid, but please don't express them in a way designed to provoke.
Without making any observation about the tone of previous posts, it's worth pointing out that pretty much every comment on this piece is to question the rationale of making it a challenge entry. To say it tactfully, it might be better to ask: why make this a challenge piece? Why not just put it on a smaller or a full canvas and upload it as such and skip a challenge? It does feel a bit like you're simply angling for ribbons while totally disregarding any creative aspect of the challenge--you say yourself in the description that the decision to put the piece on the tetris canvas was an afterthought, and it definitely shows.
Are you probably going to get a lot of votes? Yes. Your technique is good. And you have a following (I'm not saying it isn't deserved; just making an observation). Is it true to the spirit of the challenge? I would argue no. I think the word challenge implies that the canvas is there to pose a creative problem: how do I make my art *utilize* the canvas? How does it interact with the shape of the canvas or the transparency?
Without those in mind, the challenge isn't a challenge at all. It's a layer mask dropped over an existing piece. People are probably going to vote for it anyway and you may even place, which possibly indicates that the underlying idea of challenge themes is trivial, but since I don't have a horse in this race I feel comfortable saying that it probably does come across as a bit irksome to people who've thoughtfully framed their compositions in the canvas or found ways to make the shapes interesting and integral to their art, to see someone with better technique but less creative effort come and upload something like this.
Maybe it doesn't matter. I probably shouldn't try and present myself as a mouthpiece for the entrants, either--so don't assume I'm speaking for them, just projecting my thoughts as I'd have them if I'd entered. But it's (probably) worth asking yourself: why did I enter this challenge? Did I do it to test my creativity and flexibility, to utilize the challenge restrictions in a way that USES the canvas rather than simply seeing it as a hurdle? Or did I enter this because I'm a good pixel artist and I want more ribbons?
Just... putting my two cents out there. Hopefully in a not-too-inflammatory fashion :) Just trying to get some insight on the thought process here.
@Praqs: Please refrain from posting comments unless they are constructive...or at least contain some amount of logic and sanity. Your post was reported; I don't want my gallery polluted with insane and hostile rants.
This is a "challenge". What's "challenging" about doodling, making an image, then deciding it fits the rules and submitting? What a slap in the face to all the people who actually worked on something originally and fully intended for the challenge.
Again; this an 8 color image first and a challenge-piece second...and it's all brand spanking new! :) I have like 7 ideas for images utilizing the canvases in much funnier ways...but I don't think I'll have time to do any of those.
yeah, im going to have to agree. it looks wonderful but, it doesnt really fit.
Besides, challenge pieces cant be based off an old wip, they have to be completely new.
Maybe make it look like its on a hole in a wall or something? Add some bricks on the edges. That could work.
Great piece, other than that.
The technique itself looks really good, but like everyone else I'm going to have to say that forcing it into a challenge piece was a bit disappointing. The shape of the canvas lends nothing to the composition and the image itself lends nothing to the canvas. :(
As always, lovely pixeling! I think the composition is a little weird, though--the oddly shaped canvas seems like an afterthought. I'd like to see the full version.
the style is awesome,but the way of you put the monster on tetris canvas,i don't know,it's a bit weird,however it's a nice piece =P
Yeah, i was going to say, it looks like it belongs on a full-non-tetris canvas, then i read the description :P
Besides that, I like it quite a bit; the colours, the shadow(s), and the scales are probably my favorite part.
Despite all that it still seems a little "iffy" to me, not anything i can directly point out, so I'm not exactly helping here, but yeah.
Out of interest, could you link to the original image please?