Ray WJ Pixel Portrait

Ray WJ Pixel Portrait

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Ray WJ Pixel Portrait



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Title: Ray WJ Pixel Portrait
Pixel Artist: Lathien  (Level 1 Rookie :: 576 points)
Posted: 8/7/2011 08:06
Statistics:  23 comments    1 faves    0 avatars

Ray William Johnson of =3, Breaking LA and Your Favorite Martian fame. The first pixel-portrait I've done.

Reference Image: didhedie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/my-favorite-martian.jpg

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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 10/26/2011 03:58

Ha. I just tried to copy as accurately as I could from my ref.

And yeah, there's too many problems to go into but I'm pretty proud of it for my first pixel piece.


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Clovvach (Level 3 Enforcer) @ 10/25/2011 20:48

 Oh I'm jelly... last time I tried to make a realistic portrait with no dithering it turned out like poop... rahhh :C

 

the colors imo are too poppy and straightforward, plus the hand, and the lower part of the face, etc, you know this.


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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/9/2011 02:36

Ha, I hadn't noticed the petrol thing, good point.
And OMG, yes you're right, I was mistaking Anti-Aliasing for Dithering, I don't know why. Thanks for clearing that up. Oh and thanks for clearing up Banding earlier aswell.


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/8/2011 22:26

sarcasm doesn't work on the internet, dammit!

(difference, btw, is that it's a petrol station and a car park in the UK)

aa is used on the line on the wrist. there are multiple other places where it's also used properly (there's a lone on the interior of the hood on our left, on the nostrils, etc) and there are a few places where it's used incorrectly (too heavily), resulting in banding (left edge of the face, bottom of the nostril on our right, fingers).

why wouldn't you want to use aa? I think you're mistaking the term for something else. check out the pj tutorial for a description of anti-aliasing


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Smilecythe (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 8/8/2011 21:59

The colour thing was me trying to be funny so quit machoing your groins men!


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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/8/2011 15:55

Yeah, I understand that I would learn more doing the piece from scratch. It's just that I saw this as a good way to get started going into bigger scale pixel art and this is what I decided to do and isn't doing what you want the whole point of art anyway?
And yes, I agree on the different languages point although what is the cultural difference on Gas Station and Parking Lot?
Maybe I'm wrong on the definition of AA but could you point out where it is in the picture to me? I tried to not use it so I'd like to know for future reference.


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/8/2011 15:16

it's stupid. I'm not being rude

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You would learn a lot more if you draw everything yourself.

very true.

despite the poor presentation of the critique, it's essentially valid. you learn much more by trying to replicate the image from sight rather than relying on tracing. I still think there's more merit in this piece that smilecythe is giving you credit for, you have to make artistic choices about how to simplify the reference to turn it into low-palette pixel art. But using the reference purely as a visual reference would help your artistic growth more in the end.

also color/colour is a US/UK (and australia etc) thing. just because you prefer one dialect doesn't mean it's any more 'right' than another. ALUMINUM. GAS STATION. PARKING LOT.

and there is AA in this piece.


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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/8/2011 14:06

Alright man, thanks anyway, your opinion is your own. And actually there isn't any AA in the piece, I decided not to use it and the hair and shirt are meant to contrast to make the hood become sort of a background. A purposeful decision and thanks for the critique.


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Smilecythe (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 8/8/2011 13:36

Well, can't help it if you aren't true to yourself. It's easy to hide behind a whole bunch of other lazy people and call me ignorant now isn't it? I don't care if it's comic, animation or pixel art as soon as I know it's traced the effort the project has been through looks so much smaller to me immediately. I review things from the creation to the ending and you went through the easy way on creation.

Internet is the cornerstone of free speech and I will keep using it in full effect you like it or not. You want some constructive criticism? 1.Hair and shirt below the hood has too much contrast compared to the hood. 2. Try some AAing to get rid of jaggy lines. I know theres some AA  already, but it's not visible enough and the most significant spots doesn't have it. 3. Hair does not bend with the forehead at all, I'd get rid of those one-pixel plaits. 4. Don't trace your art you lazy spogg! Last one is not an opinion or a suggestion, it's an order.


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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/8/2011 12:33

Okay, look. You have your opinions and I have mine, but coming to comment on someone's work just to tell them its not art is pointless. I'm gonna do whatever work I want, regardless of your opinion on whether its art or not. Point is, you don't need to tell me whether or not you think what I've done is the right style of art or whatever, if you want to give some constructive criticism within what is a widely accepted genre, then feel free to comment. If not, just let it go, it's not that big a deal anyway. And as a matter of fact, what exactly do you think inkists do for a comic book if not what I just did for this picture? And if you think that that's still not art, then you've just defaced an entire industry with your ignorance.
And by the way, color can be spelt both ways, however the hell whoever's spelling it wants to spell it. They are both legitimate ways of spelling the word and just because you don't like it doesn't mean your right, which also applies to my earlier point.


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Smilecythe (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 8/8/2011 11:55

Tracing is not art in any caliber, it's directly copying one's art or in this case one's photography. I see no much value in a drawing that has skipped all the first-stage phases from between imaginating to design and scrap execution. Drawing the reference picture itself skips the imagination part, but atleast you need to plan it out and get the scaling right, maybe learn the usage of construction grid on the way too.

Did it take time or effort  to draw over a photography? Oh sob, sob. You know, I commented simply because I thought you'd be willing to get over this "beginner stage" during your lifetime, while hoping to never see a traced a submission from you or from anybody else on equal value. I see nothing rude and wrong in saying: "STOP BEING LAZY", especially for being a straight forward piece of critic before a piece half not even author's.  Atleast draw with a reference like it's supposed to be drawn.

@xxmantisxx: Tracing is not a normal way to start at your own level, it's a lazy and easy way and I don't see the point of it. Okay, colours and shading are his, but lineart isn't. Telling such a potential artist to learn to do lineart is more than obvious. And colour is the right spelling for color, english invented the english.


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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/8/2011 09:41

Thanks xxmantisxx, you make a good point. And you also reminded me, with this piece, I simply traced an outline and erased all the rest, then started from scratch to color it and shade it.


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xxmantisxx (Level 7 Mass Murderer) @ 8/8/2011 09:22

I agree, everyone starts at their own level, I'm sure that at one point Smilecythe traced something, no? All I'm saying is that it's completely unfair to see something with professional colors and shading, and say you don't like it because it's traced. Take a look at this, the lineartis done by Quark, yet submitted by Gas 13. Saying you don't like this because it's traced is like saying you don't like that one because that isn't his lineart...


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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/8/2011 08:36

Trying to kill anyone's motivation to do any kind of art is as rude as rude gets. I do draw most things myself and I have learnt sketching and anatomy before although I don't see the relation. With pixel art, it is a new medium to try out and as with any medium you must learn somewhere and this piece is that place for me.

Sure you can feel prouder for doing an entire piece from scratch, but that's not to belittle anyone who doesn't as even tracing takes a fair amount of work. Bottom line; if you don't like what I've done for no constructive reason but instead because I traced it, then why bother commenting at all?


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Smilecythe (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 8/8/2011 07:59

I don't think it's against rules, but it's stupid. I'm not being rude, I'm just trying to kill people's motivation to trace their drawings. You would learn a lot more if you draw everything yourself. It's good that you know how to put details and proper shades, but skipping sketching and anatomy science just wont do.

You can even feel more proud of your work the more original and time consuming it is. Traced piece is the worst kind of effortless work.


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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/8/2011 05:55

Sorry, I didn't realise tracing was against the rules.
@ Smilecythe Yes it was traced, but I learnt alot. I don't usually do pixel art at such a size and this helps me to learn where to place details and how shading works with lesser colors on a larger scale. And no need to be rude.
@ DevinGG Thankyou.
And although I traced, it was off a photo and not anyone else's art or pixel art, so is that alright with the rules?


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DevinGG (Level 2 Dealer) @ 8/8/2011 01:10

 Even though it's traced, I rather like it. It was good color choice as well


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Smilecythe (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 8/7/2011 23:12

It is 100% traced.

Seriously, why trace? That's lazy and you learn nothing.


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/7/2011 20:39

not necessarily against the rules, unless he's tracing someone else's art or other pixel art.


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Christoballs (Level 5 Killer Klown) @ 8/7/2011 17:26

i suspect this is a trace, since the pixel art and the ref are practically the same size and very similar in shape.


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/7/2011 13:15

banding


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Lathien (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/7/2011 11:29

Alright, added a link to the reference I used in the description. Thankyou, but I don't know what "banding" is. I love your pokemon work BTW. Also, do you know how to make the link with anchor text in PJ's editor because for the life of me I have no idea.


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 8/7/2011 08:54

could you provide the reference? nice pixelling, though there's some banding on the fingers.


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