Dragon Wars Renekton

Dragon Wars Renekton

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Dragon Wars Renekton



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Title: Dragon Wars Renekton
Pixel Artist: philippejugnet  (Level 6 Hitman :: 11159 points)
Posted: 6/13/2012 15:20
Palette: 21 colors
Statistics:  67 comments    52 faves    0 avatars

References 1 2

Reminders:

The dragon woudn't had a so great position without a3um.

The arms woudn't look as good without slym.

The shoulderplates woudn't had a soo great looking without night.

The little detailes in the head woundn't look as nice without Christoballs.

The dual blade wound't look as great without offwhite's touch on it!

The detailes on the armor woudn't look as good without elk's idea.

The direction of the dragon woudn't be the same without Mille.

Special thanks to:

Super17, toxotes, yaomon17, frostbutt, Jim16, Jin and everybody else that helped me here.

Thanks ||||

We have 2 concepts here.

First: war between China and Japan.

According to the chinese culture a dragon represents the energy of fire, which destroys but allows the birth of the new. The main concept is, Dragons going to the rising sun ( Japan is called the land of the rising sun) .

After the war finished both Japan and China had a growth ( the birth of the new ). And Japan won ( energy of fire, which destroys ).

Second: League of Legends

Renekton guiding the minions.


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skittle (Level 9 Nidan) @ 10/29/2012 14:11

 Really good but the leg looks kinda meh on the anatomy. But that being said its Amazing! 


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 8/26/2012 17:05

fail I fought I was sending a PM


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Innomin (Level 4 Mercenary) @ 8/26/2012 16:50

@mixlplix: Even a preliminary check of my account would show that it was not a fake or a duplicate of his.

"Constructive" implies useful. Repeating what someone else has already said is more instigative and pointless. Especially when it is combined with an insult. I would prefer that people said "I don't like that this piece ranked 5th; my friend's was better", or "I'm mad that you've improved more quickly than I have", rather than hiding behind the ruse of CC.

SacreDoom apologized to me in a PM, in an effort to stop flooding this comment list. I apologized as well, because I lost my temper in the moment. But I stand by what I said. Lucas may have had a point, but it was completely lost in the nastiness. Philippejugnet is blunt sometimes, but I have never seen him write something as arbitrarily cruel and personal as that post.

The patronizing and smug comments you wrote were guaranteed to generate a response from both philippejugnet and myself. Reread lucas's comment, and understand that agreeing with it is equivalent to another personal attack on him. I'm not his bodyguard, but I did want to draw attention to the hypocracy, and hopefully stop this useless flame war. Can we just focus on the art, and helping people improve?


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Powertrousers (Level 1 Rookie) @ 8/16/2012 23:27

 Aw man  this is cool. I play LOL too. 


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mixlplix (Level 1 Thug) @ 8/12/2012 11:24

I said I was just kidding about the fake account thing. Everythings gonna be OK. Good luck Phil


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 8/12/2012 08:50

Just because I didn't liked you post doesn't mean I don't like you.

 

about " I dont understand your logic. You say people bother you yet you have something to say about everything on like every post. Dont you think that bothers people?" what?

 

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 I don't understand you. Look, you didn't bothered me *at all* but that doesn't mean I am not going to like your art or you.

 

 

 

First:

 

you said I have created fake accounts to defend me ( that makes no sense, I can just defend myself. ) and that also means that you think I am the mad one and I am 100% wrong because I am the monster and nobody shoud understand my point and defend it. 

 

try to be in my place:

You are doing a pixel art for more then 1 month! you don't like it then you start again, again, again, again, again, again and again. Then you finish it! wow! let's post it to get critique and see what people think about it. Nice, after lots of hours of work you notice your piece was just like trash and removed from the home after some seconds, then you repost it and ask for critique and comments on the chat. Then some shitty people distorce EVERYTHING and say" oh, attention whore, attention whore " or "get a life ", "omg you are a fucking tool" or " nobody is supposed to suck your dick ". Obviosly I am going to go mad about all of this ( 

Wow, what did you expected? ) and then finally SOMEBODY defends my point! and understands me! then you come and say that he is a fake account? then I say no! it's not a fake, and defends your point, then you say; wow, I fought you were more open to criticism.

WTF? what the fuck is wrong with this world? 


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mixlplix (Level 1 Thug) @ 8/12/2012 08:29

See, this is what I'm talking about. After I made that post I posted some work of my own which you complimented and I thanked you. I said to myself, maybe he's more open to criticism than I thought. Now you reply to this thread with an attitude. I dont understand your logic. You say people bother you yet you have something to say about everything on like every post. Dont you think that bothers people?


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 8/11/2012 18:46

(?) IDK what i clicked but I double posted ( what? )


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 8/11/2012 18:44

he just used a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallancious method of reasoning and now you believe in them. Also, believe in whatever you wan't ok? if I were creating fakes I would had been banned long time ago ( lol ). Innomin happed to be my boss some months ago but I wasn't able to finish everything in time so we stopped working on the project. They aren't criticizing, they are judging! You don't seem to know the difference.

 

Sarcasm really makes me mad like: (I'm  wondering if you're actually another account of his that he uses to defend...himself/yourself.), people just bother me to a point that I just go mad and just say "fuck yourself" to everybody ( like I am now )and you come here and say that I " possesses all the negative qualities towards others that you're tryna protect him against" are you FUCKING kidding me?   no, let's say I get to you and bother, bother, bother... You ask "Please stop" and I keep bothering, then you go mad and say: fuckyou!

then everybody come to you and say: wow, what a stupid, tomfool or whatever you wan't to call, and you just get out of control and say fuck you to everybody... and then people come to you sand say " oh, what a weak ego, you just let it control you". You guys are good to say shit about others aren't you when you are not in their place right?

 

also, this Lucas Irineu, I have never seen that guy in my life and he come to me in such an agressive and unpolite way? what the fuck is wrong with him? and he comes to me and say that one of my best "friend" hates me? 


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mixlplix (Level 1 Thug) @ 8/11/2012 17:33

I don't mean to beat a dead horse and I wont claim to have read them all but all the harsher comments I've seen here towards  Phil are not only justified in my eyes but very similar to the comments I had about Phil and this piece when he first submitted it as the Welsh flag for the challenge he created a couple months back. Hopefully Darth Man can see where I'm coming from now and refrains from giving me another English lesson.

@Innomin - Constructive crit is when you can express an (at least semi valid) idea on ones work without being a twat. So all that stuff you said smells like fodder to me. See how I did that? I've noticed that PJ critiques can be harsh but usually valid also...especially when given by senior membs.

I only pop up here on PJ a couple times a months or so and even I know that Phil possesses all the negative qualities towards others that you're tryna protect him against. I'm  wondering if you're actually another account of his that he uses to defend...himself/yourself. No, I kid...but cmon, I'm sure thats been done by someone...                                                                                               

 lucas was spot on in my opinion..and I promise thats not another PJ account of mine.


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 7/24/2012 12:44

Sarcasm hehe. I don't care and I won't answer anymore, because my response to their comments will be more rude then ignoring it.


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Innomin (Level 4 Mercenary) @ 7/22/2012 23:27

... what. the. hell.

Okay, it's pretty obvious why philippejugnet wanted this on the front page for longer. He spent a very long time on this piece, and it was immediately bumped on submission. While I'm not sure the front page really makes all that much difference, does anyone fault him for panicking?

philippejugnet is one of the biggest contributors to this site, despite his relative inexperience. Telling him you're going to ban him for a minor offense is going way over the line. Hiding behind constructive criticism to personally attack him is just pathetic. "an awesomely kind group of people"? Are you kidding me? Read your own post before you say that.

Constructive criticism means listing issues no one else has mentioned yet. If someone else has already said it, just shut up. And commenting on what you think someone's motivations are is completely out of line. When you start swearing and insulting a person, you've crossed the line.

Unfortunately, I think pixel art attracts autism-spectrum disorders, which equate to a lack of social skills. If this was the first time I had seen something like this on PJ, I might not be as angry as I am now. As it stands, I'm starting to see why great pixel artists like Paul Robertson left the site a long time ago.


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SacreDoom (Level 2 Dealer) @ 6/19/2012 08:55

 So essentially what you're saying is that you don't think your work has gotten the attention it deserves? You only make these things to show it off to other people so they can, as Lucas said, suck your dick? I don't know if that's the right motivation, man. All art should, in my opinion, be made because you want to express yourself, not because you want people to say "OH MY GOD THAT IS SO GOOD MAN OMFGOMFGOMFG!!!!". You should be happy that PixelJoint is host to such an awesomely kind group of people, because in most internet communities you would've been banned for your actions by now. You're looking like an attention whore in everyones' eyes because you keep whining that you don't think enough people favourited your recent pixel, or that it wasn't on the frontpage for long enough for people to see it.  Why can't you just think "alright, I'll make something more awesome next time, and then hope for the best. At least I had fun making this."? I really fail to see that.


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yaomon17 (Level 6 Serial Killer) @ 6/19/2012 00:02

 @  RiquePixel

Completely uncalled for. Doesn't relate to the artwork at all.

@ Phillipe The most notable error for me is the perspective of the right leg and the anatomy (much like everone else alrady said :P). However, I would rather take the time to discuss the parts that I do like about the piece. The texture on the blade is really well done. The use of lines to depict the rugged metal was a solid choice. The glow of the fire off the helmet of the minions is superb and the shading and form on the cloth between his legs is also great. The tail is well drawn but seems to extend a bit too far to the left and the top of the head looks odd compared to the rest of the caly body. Overall, it is still a great piece and a lot of these nitpicks can be fixed easily. Don't give up and keep trying! :D

 

 


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Terrify (Level 3 Chief) @ 6/18/2012 20:20

 Well it's a good piece and there is room for improvement as some critiques suggest, but I like it. I feel that people some people's critique's may not be helpful or as adequate as needed, but they are just trying to help to improve a piece either way, and it's probably in best interest to not be so harsh to them as they are just trying to help. Anyways, overall it's a good piece and always have an open mind to people remembering you don't have to edit your piece to everything they say, but a lot of people are here suggesting ways to improve your piece. Good job and good luck in future pixelling!


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/18/2012 10:03

Actually what makes me mad are those critique with nonsense. Its the opposite, I wan't to do what's in my head but it doesn't work. I am not "attention whore", its because the piece jumped off the front page too quicky (few seconds) and I was just discussing with the guys, but then some assholes come to bother.


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Neela (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 6/18/2012 09:09

I haven't read all the comments and I don't know you so forgive me if I get this wrong.

But from the few comments and replys I did read it looks like you have a problem I can recognize from myself. That you are so eager to be as good as the top artist and you work really hard to try and get there. You get to finish a piece that in your own opinion looks better than you thought you were able to create and it makes you so proud that you want the world to see it. And then this happends. You get critique and it feels so undeserved because you worked so hard.  

What you need to remember is, that those top artists that you try to get in league with have also been where you are now. The difference might be that they embraced the critique they got and kept practising. - And even those we see as the best of the best are still not satisfied with their own work! A true artist never stops improving his/her art because there is not a final goal to reach.

If you try to see peoples critiques as a helping hand instead of a punch in the stomach it will help you to not only advance in skill but also make you more likeable.


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/18/2012 07:27

I guess I am just in a damn bad mood those days, I think this piece deserves an edit. Thanks guys for the cheer up.



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Delicious (Level 8 Regional Boss) @ 6/17/2012 19:10

Philippe, keep your chin up. Don't be discouraged by the negative comments. Lucas did make a point with the over-layered sketch at which you over-layering of fools work just proved him further. You see, Fools art still has the structure regardless of how sketchy the trace is whilst yours has obvious flaws such as a stiff pose and an unproportionate anatomy. You must realize, though, that you're recieving hate towards you because of your egotistic attitude when you comment on other peoples work. Please note that "I don't like it" is not an acceptable comment, it's quite unecessary to state your opinion without a reason and puts the other artist down. Anywho, enough off-topic-ness. This piece is good, congratulations. Perhaps you should focus on less ambitious pieces to get comfortable with composition and structure instead of diving right into large scaled rendered pieces. 


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 6/17/2012 18:37

Lucas was (very) rude, but his crit is still valid. Your pixel-polishing skill is more developed than your ability to create a solid foundational structure. The anatomy is stiff, the best thing to do is accept this and focus on these areas for improvement on future works. This is still a good pixel art and your improvement is obvious, no one masters these things overnight.


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/17/2012 17:46

Its easy to change the rules according to the game you wan't to play, or the game you wan't people to play it isn't it Lucas Irineu? First, you are the tomfool here, you do shit to change people's minds because that's how you are.

ANY pixel art will look with the wrong shapes if you don't know how to do the second layer. Second, you know that was not what Slym said.

Third, I am not going to keep with this boring thing. I don't wan't to go to your "level of thinking" to try to explain my mind to you okay? I have told you to stop bothering my topics with your "persuading skills".

Fourth, I just wen't for a3um's edit. Your critique is to him then.

Thanks for the critique but I am done with this guys.

 

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@llll - I didn't changed because I am done with this, for now. Its half human, half reptilian, so there is no problem with that :3 as a human woudnt had scales and a tail, its a mixture.


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TheoVision (Level 8 Regional Boss) @ 6/16/2012 12:33

Devilish piece!


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|||| (Level 8 Marshal) @ 6/16/2012 11:51

I posted some crits in the version that was deleted so I wont repeat them here. It would be redundant and the changes weren't made anyhow. There's one thing I didn't mention though and it's kind of bothered me. I doubt that a reptilian would have the mammilian feature of  having nipples.


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Theoden (Level 6 SWAT) @ 6/16/2012 09:06

Very nice colors! But like everyone stated the lizard's form is wierd. The tail is really off and bothers me. I guess you wanted to show the spiked top part of it but in this angle the spikes that are close to the body shouldn't have been visible.


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RiquePixel (Level 2 Dealer) @ 6/16/2012 08:16

 Philipe, did you enjoy the Lucas's words? I enjoyed it toooooooo much. $#%%$$&$&&$.


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Nevercreature (Level 8 Partner) @ 6/16/2012 05:18

Well, I have the same opinion that many PJ's. The piece is not bad, your technique and style are much better than mine (far away), for example. But you still have to polish many details. The clouds are too irregular, the perspective between the left and right side does not fit, the right leg of lizard is horrible! ...

What I mean is that there are usually images much more good than yours far below in the weekly showcase,
and many people don't understand...

Anyway, congratulations on the piece, I think you're improving a lot.


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Sublyme (Level 4 Murderer) @ 6/15/2012 14:45

I think you could work on the composition a bit, but other than that its a great piece


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Voltali obscur (Level 9 Boss) @ 6/15/2012 08:08

I've noticed you often use the same texture look for the floor, but this one is better dealed with than on the cascade one (which wasn't *that* great), so it is a nice improvement. The anatomy however is not so good (don't take me wrong, I'm not saying this because of all the debate down here, i'm just giving my personal opinion). Learning how to draw fair anatomy is actually easier when practicing drawing and not pixel art, because the scale of pixel art reduces the mistakes so they are less easily noticeable (well, i'm saying all this but since i don't know you personnaly, i actually don't know if you also draw xD )



Basically, I wasn't going to post a comment here, because i'm kind of disappointed with how you take things and crave for attention -what about not being on the home page or not in the month top?-.  I'm part of the staff on an other website, on fan art section, so i know by experience that almost every people who act like "attention whore" are encountering difficulties, not only in their relationship with other members but it also tends to flange their artwork.



Just keep cool and focus on improving what you lack. You're still young, don't let your potentiel being ruined because of your behaviour (and 'im really saying it in a friendly way, so please, don't get mad or delete this).



Enfin bref, je ne savais pas que tu parlais aussi Français, tu as de la chance de bénéficier d'un environnement pluriculturel!



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jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) @ 6/15/2012 07:43

*Please note that removing, deleting, reposting is not cool and pisses off the staff! We monitor behaviour in the gallery and any and all member chnages are posted for us to see. When we have to endlessly scroll and hunt to find legitimate updates and other stuff you waste the time we could be pixelling our own work.

We don't ban or take action because anyone bahaves poorly or with immature behaviour as this has nothing to do with pixelart. However, part of being a PJ member (read the rules) is that some level of good behaviour and attitude is expected from everyone. Discussing art, art theory, technique, etc. is way cool and encouraged. Bitching and complaining about 'moderation mistakes' serves no purpose at all. We can add as few or as many pieces as we like at any time. We don't play favorites and on occasion someone may have their art buried is some flood or whatever. We are not perfect and sometimes errors do happen. When it comes down to it...

You join Pixeljoint, Pixeljoint does not join you!

Submit once complete and happy with your work. An occasional update is cool but excessive abuse could have a piece rejected alltogether. Of course, updates and or the ocassional revision is best handled using the 'edit it' link on the existing art page.

*Attitude and personal behaviour should have nothing to do with one's art but its a human condition that these things do have some effect.

For the best results be at your best.


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Friend (Level 1 Jukyu) @ 6/15/2012 07:36

I really like the sword.  And don't worry about the attention- You have a ton of attention here, just look at how many responses you get on your wip's.  But, as harsh as it may be to you, you do need to work on your underlying art skils as shown by lucas.  You have potential, we all can see that, but you do get ahead of yourself from time to time, which is perfectly ok, just learn from it and keep moving forward and onward ; D


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Mille (Level 7 Mass Murderer) @ 6/15/2012 06:24

This turned out really nice, good job on it.


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slym (Level 8 Rear Admiral) @ 6/15/2012 00:04

 Awesome stuff. I like the shiny texture of the shoulder :)


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/14/2012 20:11

Accepted, I guess we talk tommorow then.


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Elk (Level 5 Assistant Manager) @ 6/14/2012 19:55

 accept my friendrequest on facebook, i want to talk to you


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/14/2012 19:35

I don't know how to take things in a nice way, life wasn't nice to me.


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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 6/14/2012 19:32

I think you're taking this way too seriously. There's no way I'm reading all of that, all I'm saying is you should rely on the merit of your work. There's not a lot of work that gets submitted here daily, if your piece has quality (which it does) it will make its way to the weekly showcase.

I think several people here are reacting way too strongly,  it'd be best to focus on the piece and save these personal debates for private messages. If I'd known it would have provoked such a strong and long-winded reaction I wouldn't have mentioned it.


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/14/2012 19:22

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ParkerBabyDiaperCompany (Level 4 Team Leader) @ 6/14/2012 17:37

Quite a few stray pixels and scribblings. Looks good overall, though.
I agree the form could be a lot better, but this is a pixel site so pixel technique can make up for that to some extent. You can be the next Dex.


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jeremy (Level 11 Special Agent) @ 6/14/2012 17:24

damn                      


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ellie-is (Level 8 Cannibal) @ 6/14/2012 17:20

Philippe, you're the biggest tool the world has ever seen. In case your're not aware what a "tool" means, it means you're a "babaca". I'm posting in English because I want everyone to understand what is going on.

 

Pixel joint is not a place where people are supposed to suck your dick all the time. People will say things, nice or not nice, and you have to deal with them. Like in life. And in life, if you reply to someone (who was right) like Hapiel with a reply like yours, you will get a kick in the nuts and a punch in the face, unless they're someone really nice (which Hapiel is). But this is the internet, so I bet you're a lot more brave here than you are on real life, aren't you? Yeah. So all you'll get is a sermon from me (and whoever else decides to post).

 

What you did was stupid. It doesn't matter if a piece is on the front page or not. A lot of people check all the pieces, regardless of their front page exposure. You're not supposed to complain. Stop being an attention whore and work on improving your awful art. Pretty textures and pretty colors will NOT hide a bad drawing. Look at this.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21995048/pedit.png

Look at it. That's your piece without fancy pixel art. Just the drawing. And it is horrible.

You have no understanding of basic anatomy, and don't give me any "it's not a human" shit. All animals follow the same basic anatomy patterns and have roughly the same muscles. It is off in so many places. A ten year old could have done it. And those feet. Do you even know how feet and hands work, animal or not? Now I'm not *just* being mean to you, I'm telling you to study the basics before you attempt anything else. Or you'll never become a good artist and will never recieve the attention you love so much.

Now, don't take this the wrong way, but you have a long way to go before you get the same attention as the "top" artists here get. Because, simply put, you're not one of them and won't be until you forget your inflated ego, and work on DOING GOOD ART, like Gaiman tells us to.

Oh, and slym hates you.


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neota (Level 7 Ichikyu) @ 6/14/2012 16:43

A bit iffy on the anatomy, particularly on the shadowed leg. Otherwise, fantastic :)


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/14/2012 16:17

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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/14/2012 15:31

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Hapiel (Level 11 Admiral) @ 6/14/2012 14:38

How do you mean 'not the correct attention'? Which PJ rule says that every piece must be featured on the front page?

Back in the days there were only 3 new pieces featured at the same time!

Get a life.


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/14/2012 14:23

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cure (Level 11 Godfather) @ 6/14/2012 14:12

 If its quality work then it will get the attention it deserves, you really have to stop deleting and resubmitting work that the mods have approved. This will probably make weekly top regardless of whether or not it shows up on 'newest pixels', it's one of your best works, so there's no need to be a hassle for attention.


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reis (Level 6 Serial Killer) @ 6/14/2012 09:48

 Fantastic. Lovely shadows :D


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Ambient (Level 6 Major) @ 6/14/2012 07:51

 Nice clouds, atmosphere. The anatomy is really bothering me.


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philippejugnet (Level 6 Hitman) @ 6/14/2012 05:37

a3um... can you please... man :/


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SacreDoom (Level 2 Dealer) @ 6/14/2012 03:44

 What's going on with his right arm? It looks very weirdly bulky, I can't read the hand very well either. There's some perspective issues with his feet as well, he doesn't look like he's standing on the ground, but rather tippy toing just on top of it. His lower left leg looks unnaturally twitched as well; it looks like his leg is broken. The armor on his legs should, as far as I can tell, be symmetric, but from what I can tell, the armor on the right leg isn't "placed" on the same place as the armor is on the left leg. Generally, his armor and lower body look a little rushed, I think you should take a little time to edit and refine it, because currently it looks a little wobbly. I think you might've picked up a bit more than you can carry with this.

That being said, though, the piece is quite nice. I like the weapon's design and texture, which I think you handled pretty well.

 

 




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