In my opinion the first thing that bothers me is the fact that the stairs are quite big (in compare with the doors). Or the doors being too small.

Edited by Club Beuker - 08 September 2008 at 4:51am

Much better, since the building is supposed to be a public place the length of the steps isn't bothering. Another small thing that's bothering me is the door upstairs. There is so little space between the wall and the door, maybe you can move it a bit to the right (a little bit behind the air vents tube thingy).

This is just mark-up stuff, to make the image a bit more lively.

Looking forward to it

Edited by Club Beuker - 08 September 2008 at 6:40am

Sitting man is good enough for me, but the table.. yes it is a bit too small.

I think the left guy (on the chair) is looking great, the other (lazy hanging) one should be altered a bit. If I sit like that on a chair my bum is on the edge, his bum is halfway the chair. Legs should be put forward (like he stretches them).

For the air tube, I liked the bigger one better. The size change isn't noticable and you should always try to avoid lines crossing eachother (ex. side of air tube and wall/door post).

Just one small thing, how are the people supposed to be able to put their legs underneath the table? Raise that little rascal

I find the space is too crowded. Open it up everywhere you can. Something like this... ??? What is this building supposed to be?

Lollige I'm afraid that with current colours will have problems for shadows and with contrast... also have too much gray in your colours ! What I suggest to make - pick 3 palettes with 6 or 7 different colours be shure that one of them going to blue region. If you need more colours than will add some diferent palettes with new 3-4 colours.

I like Jal variant use his work. Must take decision what building you will make, because than easy can think which type of windows, doors, furniture ets. you will need. As example if make french coffee will have tents, metal chairs and tables, waiters, metal parapets ets.



1st - think for heigh of the windows - see right part - first have plint, then blue line, then window, need some heigh over window and again blue line and window. This part with the ventilator is very low and I try to hide with some roof. Also windows must be as part of the building. I like english garden in right part. In that building you have some area for supply, for entrance of the peoples in left, kitchen in right area /first and second floor/ and area for visitors in second and third floor. Also have some celler for cold store. Must make some scenes to show type of areas. Think to open doors windows est because isn't good to repeat elements /but always can hide some windows with trees/, make some car supply, maybe butcher and dog when steal his meat, cook who make fire in some window ets :)

I show 3px /in right upper part/ because if you make walls with bricks you will need 3 bricks x 3px and they are in the middle of the person and will need some parapet over them. Will be better to make that in the begining. Also will be good if make some thickness of the walls everywhere. Don't forgot that in real have green and shadows everywhere ;)

Doors and windows now aren't part of the building - but they must be in unison with type of the building ! You have too many floors and that is why 3 windows with different thickness from the ground aren't good choice ... maybe windows with 2,3,4 wings and different thickness are better.

Think where building will have column than can show some ot them for more interesting view.

If watch work of the bren0098 /she is nice bren;)/ windows are like inside of the walls they must be in the middle of the walls.

Edited by zi-double - 08 September 2008 at 4:42pm

Grand Café "The Bollard"

How does that sound?



I worked a few more hours on it, this is what it looks like now :)
To help myself I am going for a 32 color max. I am counting the sidewalks palette as well (thats why I modified a lot of things from the original)


Edited by Lollige - 09 September 2008 at 5:26am

You could also remove the stairs completely and add a skylight. Some transparent effects will add a kick to the colder tone.

Why don't you cut the whole building in half, lose the stairs (add an elevator) and make a huge terrace in front where people can sit and drink?

You can also make some kind of balcony scene on the roof where people can sit underneath umbrella's.

Just my two cents

Hmm I see the spacing problem now (I started my own piece on Pixeldam). Forget the elevator..

(Umbrella's are for catching rain... silly me)

Well, do you have enough room for the other stuff you want to make?

You could try warming it up a touch and branching it out, like so:

I think it's about time to start detailing. Starting to look great! (one small brainfart: add an outside BBQ)

They still look kinda flat and random. Add more highlights? And try to follow the shape of the wall.

Well it is hard to explain. I'm guessing the plants look a lot like "klimop". Those plants never are that flat (sure they're pin pointed to the wall), but do have some depth in them (like twigs sticking out).

For following the shape of the wall, without the depth they look like random scribbles. So in that case (in my opinion) it is better to let them follow the isometric shape of the wall. Problem you get there is that the plants look static that way, so that's not an option.

Also a nice way to get dynamic action is to think (and draw) outside of the box. Left some twigs hang in front of the window, let them curl around the door post, etc. You know what to do

I find it very difficult to get the people in the right body positions...

An update:



(Can you find me? ;))

In my opinion.. yes

Almost finished

im not sure if this is just a style-question for you, but i think some more texture wouldnt hurt. like stone-tiles on the roof a small plant or two in a corner... stuff like this.

id make a mini edit if you dont mind.

I think you need a fire escape.

Fire exit is on the other side of the building.
Thanks for your help!
i'm done with this now :)



Edited by Lollige - 23 September 2008 at 2:38am