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Quote Fatalis67 Replybullet Topic: The Official Metal-Head Thread
    Posted: 05 October 2008 at 7:44pm
Am I like the only person here who listens to metal? I'm new to this forum and I checked out the music discussion and almost all of it was pop or soft rock. Am I alone?
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 05 October 2008 at 9:38pm
No you're not alone. Tonnes of people on here listen to metal, i think.

However it is quite a broad genre.


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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 05 October 2008 at 11:29pm
I listen to more metal then wolverine has in his body. :/

But more recently I've been listening to more ska then metal.
If only I can fuse the two, I'd be in orgasm heaven.

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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 2:51am
try The Flaming Tsunamis, Folly or A Billion Ernies.
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 4:48am
Try Freezepop and Kinky. You need to find some better music.
 
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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 6:30am
I myself prefer the classics: Metallica, Iron Maiden, Judes Preist, ACDC. Ah, the memories.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 7:05am
Yeah, metal bands always seem to be at a lower step on the ladder to others such as Tool in my opinion, in both power and meaning. Yet recently i've been listening to them more.
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Quote tuaarita Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 8:12am
Deathmetal anyone? I thought I was alone. I'm listening to In Flames right now. :)

I also like Lamb of God, Dimmu Borgir and sorts, yet I've failed to find the ultimate song to really satisfy my metal-needs. I like this one tho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1FkbvGl-IU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAAXK3Mzm2k Wait for the verse it's my favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lolM8GeGRQc Heck I would post them all if I could.


@Lar, Tool dont count as metal no matter what wikipedia says. ;D

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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 10:20am
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@Lar, Tool dont count as metal no matter what wikipedia says. ;D


Misunderstanding! I never meant to imply that i thought Tool were metal, rather that metal bands don't seem as important or as good as progressive or alternative bands such as Tool.
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Quote tuaarita Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 10:50am
My bad!

Though wikipedia says it's progressive metal, I say it's just plain rock. Maybe progressive.


Progressive/alternative metal IMO would be something like Mudvayne. Their genre varies.

Edited by Leroy - 06 October 2008 at 10:58am
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 11:32am
Never understood why people are obsessed with classifying music into specific genres. Especially with metal, it quickly melts into a "I'M MORE HARDCORE THAN YOU"fest that makes me want to cleave someone in half with an obscenely large battleaxe while attempting to swallow a pinecone AND make as close a sound a goat makes when being sodomized as I can at the same time.

I like metal that isn't senseless (in my ever-loving opinion).

Tyr
Pantera
Tool (f**k you)
Otyg
Slipknot
Suidakra
Stigmata
Disturbed

Anything that sounds like crude oil looks and smells is right out.

And for the record, Kiss was originally considered metal. So BWAH!
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:23pm
MSI, Demonhunter,  Static-X, System of a Down, Godhead, Ministry, Spineshank

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Quote tuaarita Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 12:58pm
Ok but Tool just isn't hardcore enough for me to call it metal, it feels wrong.

Oh I forget Six Feet Under.



Did anyone listen to those In Flames songs I posted?

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Quote Demon Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 1:18pm
no metal for me

Edited by Demon - 06 October 2008 at 1:18pm
"At least we killed some boredom..." - Death Note.
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Quote Fatalis67 Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 3:30pm
Originally posted by Leroy

Deathmetal anyone?

Gimme a virtual high five.
Right now I've been listening to: The Absence, Children of Bodom, All Shall Perish, Mnemic, Skinless, Gojira, and Lamb of God mainly.


Edited by Fatalis67 - 06 October 2008 at 3:31pm
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Quote Sporknife Replybullet Posted: 06 October 2008 at 6:04pm
Meh, im more into industrial stuff (wumpscut, KMFDM and Combichrist are the ones i like the most) or stuff like what ronald jenkees does
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Quote Moments Replybullet Posted: 07 October 2008 at 12:19am
Sounds like people are forgetting SLAYER.

Seriously I haven't been in a metal mood in a long time.  Most of my metal albums went into storage except some Neurosis and Pig Destroyer.
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Quote Emtch Replybullet Posted: 07 October 2008 at 12:20pm
There's been a lot of non-metal posted here.
Pig destroyer is more grind, which is a different (but awesome) genre.
Static-X, SoaD, Tool, Slipknot, Disturbed are actually alternative rock or nu metal, which is a totally different genre.
Mnemic, Lamb of God and the likes are "mallcore". LoG are very talented for a metalcore band though.
As for death metal, it's more like Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus and Aborted, whereas bands like Children of Bodom In flames (early, everything since clayman is alt/metalcore) are melodeath, which is not death metal.
I'm not trying to be a jerk to people, and I AM NOT CRITICIZING your music taste, but when it comes to music I can't help being a besserwisser. Actually music like Tool and Slipknot has nothing in common with metal except the same instruments, but they are used in blues, jazz, country, rock and other stuff too.
 
Does anyone here listen to experimental mixes of metal, like folk metal and such? I'm currently working at a comedy centered "pirate metal" project.


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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 07 October 2008 at 12:24pm
Originally posted by Moments

Sounds like people are forgetting SLAYER.

Seriously I haven't been in a metal mood in a long time.  Most of my metal albums went into storage except some Neurosis and Pig Destroyer.

Slayer blows.

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Quote Moments Replybullet Posted: 07 October 2008 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by Emtch

There's been a lot of non-metal posted here.
Pig destroyer is more grind, which is a different (but awesome) genre.
Static-X, SoaD, Tool, Slipknot, Disturbed are actually alternative rock or nu metal, which is a totally different genre.
Mnemic, Lamb of God and the likes are "mallcore". LoG are very talented for a metalcore band though.
As for death metal, it's more like Cannibal Corpse, Dying Fetus and Aborted, whereas bands like Children of Bodom In flames (early, everything since clayman is alt/metalcore) are melodeath, which is not death metal.
I'm not trying to be a jerk to people, and I AM NOT CRITICIZING your music taste, but when it comes to music I can't help being a besserwisser. Actually music like Tool and Slipknot has nothing in common with metal except the same instruments, but they are used in blues, jazz, country, rock and other stuff too.
 
Does anyone here listen to experimental mixes of metal, like folk metal and such? I'm currently working at a comedy centered "pirate metal" project.


You can call it a guenon, a baboon, or a chimp:  But you can still also call it a monkey.  Moreover you could call a chimpanzee or gibbon a monkey too, and most people wouldn't have a problem with it.

Unless you're a primatologist or something.

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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 07 October 2008 at 1:04pm
Yes but 'Slayer' the band in general an lick my steel balls.
For their music is crap.

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Quote Fatalis67 Replybullet Posted: 07 October 2008 at 4:06pm
Metalcore, and Melodeath are different SUBgenres. This prefix is important. They really aren't different enough to constitute their own genres.
Nu metal, however, is a twisted abomination that should never have been thrust upon mankind. And not a twisted abomination in the really awesome way.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 07 October 2008 at 7:02pm
Screw you genre-ising whores. As I mentioned earlier, Kiss was originally considered Metal, and they (far as I can see) have no similarities to what you'd currently consider metal. So, really, who are you to say that this is this and not that? Where from doth come your authority?

It bothers me when people appoint themselves authorities of music genres, probably as much as I bother the afforementioned with my merging of band names and genres with reckless abandon.

Why, anyways, are there so many friggin' different genres of metal? It's not like pagan metal and folk metal are ages apart, and ALL those blackmetal/deathmetal/metalcore crude-oil sh*ts sound the same to me...

On a side note, I haven't found much folk/pagan metal I don't like. It either kicks ass or makes me laugh (C'mon, most of 'em have digeridoos and boingy sounds).
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Quote tuaarita Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2008 at 9:13am
in flames is too deathmetal ):
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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2008 at 9:26am
I have to admit Finntroll do sound hilarious...in a good way...I think...
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Quote Emtch Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2008 at 10:12am
Genres don't matter that much within metal, but the stuff that's called metal when it's not is really bad. Labeling Slipknot or bring me the vibrator as metal is like saying the beatles are progressive jazz or rap.
Originally posted by Fatalis67

Metalcore, and Melodeath are different SUBgenres. This prefix is important. They really aren't different enough to constitute their own genres.
Nu metal, however, is a twisted abomination that should never have been thrust upon mankind. And not a twisted abomination in the really awesome way.
Nope, metalcore is not a subgenre of metal. It's a subgenre of pop-ified post-hardcore. Metalcore is like nu metal, with tighter pants and more hairspray. As well as glam, it's not metal either, it was called that by ignorant dickheads back in the 80's. It's all sh*t if you ask me.
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Quote The B.O.B. Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2008 at 11:32am
   I can agree that Metal labeling is masturbatory. But the people who are against "labeling" genres, are just as bad as those who do. To say, "Man, music is music, no need to classify." would also incline one to believe that Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Friday the 13 movies are on par with Casa Blanca, and Raging Bull. (Seriously, do I need my pimp hand here?)
   In fact, it's kinda' going against the grain of your very well being! Humans have ALWAYS classified things, for organizational purposes; Some good, some bad. But to say that labeling serves no purpose in music, is just being musically ignorant, and not recognizing that the riffs, melody,notes, time shifts, and lyrical content are somehow identical with each other.
   Of course, even some metal bands have the same belief as you, as they want to believe their music is unique, and stands out, as is one of the main goals of most musicians. They want to say, " No this isn't Death metal, this is 'Northern Hyper blast metal', or 'swamp metal"...whatever the F*** that means.
   Humans are smart enough to establish the difference of music, and most noise. Most just feel the need to say their preference is better than others, and THAT'S the problem with labeling. People are fighting the stigma of labeling in that the most vocal ones are the ones who are imposing theirs is of higher quality, when it couldn't be further from the truth; they're just different, that's all.
   In all respects, I'm more so a fan of Death Metal; Yes, that sometimes involves cookie monster growling, banshee-like screaming and squealing. It's definitely strange to the untrained ears, and it's definitely understandable that most don't prefer it. It's just my thing. I don't wear black gothic giant pants, with chains all over them, I don't believe in Satan, I don't want to shoot or harm people, I don't attend every death metal concert in town, Black isn't my favorite color, I don't do drugs, I don't believe in destruction and pain, and I don't believe it's the best music in the world. I believe that this form of music is soothing to me, and it suits me. From the vocals, the harmonies, the rythmic guitar work, and drum beats, it's all just a beatiful form of music to me, that's misunderstood, and has been since it's incarnation, with the old sad blues music of slaves.
   I could get into what bands I like, but I find it pointless in this thread, as it would turn into a figurative metal"my dick is bigger than your dick" flame war with bands and what not...

  So yeah, if you are a metalhead, than my Corna's go to you...if not, as long as if it's music you yourself love and enjoy, without liking it for the sake of liking it, hats off to ya'...
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Quote Souly Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2008 at 11:36am
Holy f**k Skindred is AWESOME.

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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2008 at 3:33pm
Pff BOB. Jazz and metal are totally the same thing.

I agree witcha, really, I just like to make noise. The thing I'm rebelling against most, though, is the widespread and inconsistent genre confusion caused by people saying "that isn't metal, but THAT is metal" simply because they don't like "that" but they do like "THAT".

Nu metal is metal. Bastardization though many may call it, simply because it's not of your taste doesn't give you the right to kick it out of a genre.

But, as I said, I'm mostly just making noise. I listen to musics 'cause I enjoy them, but I don't have the mad passion to go and research exactly what they are so I can correct anyone and everyone who says otherwise.

Huzzah! I'm an asshole!*

On an entirely different note, but back on the Folk/pagan metal strain:

Any of you knowledgeable metalheads I keep playfully bashing have any good reccomendations for music that sounds similar to quote unquote folk/pagan metal? I'm a big fan of Tyr at the mo, but a little heavier never hurt anyone. I'm always open to metal-library-expansion, so fire away!

Reifenstahl, also cool.

(* I mean no actual offence to anyone. I'm using this thread as a break from doing the drawing I don't want to do, and as such I'm prone to poking people in order to evoke a response. Though I do stand by my words!)
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Quote Fatalis67 Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2008 at 7:28pm
Anyone who's into the more extreme metal should check out All Shall Perish. Some excellent songs are:
Eradication http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFx85CfMvWI
We Hold These Truths... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujoeF_TarR4
The True Beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCFM4TPVv6s

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Quote The B.O.B. Replybullet Posted: 08 October 2008 at 9:04pm
Some would object to what you deem is "extreme" metal, if All Shall Perish is your prime example...
. . .

But I digress, they're a good band...


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Quote Fatalis67 Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2008 at 2:03am
idk what to call it but all i care about is that theyre really awesome.
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Quote Emtch Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2008 at 10:48am
Why are people so angry? This is an art forum. On the internet. Do people really get mad at what they read at the internet?
 
Really, labeling numetal/mallcore as metal is like labeling an image with a mosaic filter as pixel art. Music is art, therefore the numetal/mallcore bands are like people who rip pixel pieces or just color reduce real pictures. It takes no talent and it comes out bad. It may seem good at first but then no one cares about it.
 
Metal is like dogs, there are many types of it, like poodles, retrievers, pittbulls, while numetal is like jackals, they're all pretty much the same. To some people jackals may resemble dogs, but they are totally different.
Thinking mallcore is like metal because they both have distortion and scream is like thinking a mossy rock and a dead squirrel is the same thing because they're both in the forest.
Seriously, leave the labeling to people who actaully know metal and music and general.
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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2008 at 10:58am
...I hope you people are having fun arguing and continue to do so ^__^

Anyway, what I came here to say is, go listen to Mortal Sin - Australian 80's Thrash Metal band :3 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AFcdRtroxPg
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2008 at 11:53am
Originally posted by Emtch

Why are people so angry? This is an art forum. On the internet. Do people really get mad at what they read at the internet?
 
Really, labeling numetal/mallcore as metal is like labeling an image with a mosaic filter as pixel art. Music is art, therefore the numetal/mallcore bands are like people who rip pixel pieces or just color reduce real pictures. It takes no talent and it comes out bad. It may seem good at first but then no one cares about it.
 
Metal is like dogs, there are many types of it, like poodles, retrievers, pittbulls, while numetal is like jackals, they're all pretty much the same. To some people jackals may resemble dogs, but they are totally different.
Thinking mallcore is like metal because they both have distortion and scream is like thinking a mossy rock and a dead squirrel is the same thing because they're both in the forest.
Seriously, leave the labeling to people who actaully know metal and music and general.
 
Originally posted by Emtch

Why are people so angry? This is an art forum. On the internet. Do people really get mad at what they read at the internet?
 
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Quote Emtch Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2008 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by skamocore

Anyway, what I came here to say is, go listen to Mortal Sin - Australian 80's Thrash Metal band :3 http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=AFcdRtroxPg
 
That was awesome. Hadn't even heard of 'em before.
 
Monkey o' doom, not quite sure I'm getting your lawl. Are you saying I sounded angry? I wasn't, I just explained in a pedagogic way the difference between metal and pop.
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Quote Saboteur Replybullet Posted: 09 October 2008 at 7:01pm
Pff, I'm not angry, just bad at my expressing my emotions clearly in an internet forum. Also, I like to argue. I just sound serious, but rarely am!

My soul smiles at everything.

On-topic, any reccomendations for good folk metal?
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Quote The B.O.B. Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 6:54am
   Saboteur, don't think I've never searched the depths of Folk metal, heh. In fact, don't think I'll be experimenting in listening to that type of music in a while, lol. So, unfortunately, no recommendations from me. Only one I can think of was some guy from Stockholm(Tony Naima and the bitters, I think?) who did covers of classic Dismember songs(my fav effin' band in the world! \m/ ). I thought it was kinda' fun, quarky, and interesting, especially his cover of "of fire", one of my fav Dismember songs. Anything else, eh', I'm not sure. sorry, heh...

   For other good Thrash, I'd suggest Testament, another good thrash band that's lived underneath the shadow of the Metallica, but is still kicking till this day....well, at least I like 'em, I guess.
  


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Quote Metaru Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 12:41pm
i like madona. that counts?
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 1:47pm
No, Madonna is she-metal. You're comparing bananas and pomegranates.

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Quote greenraven Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 2:22pm
Folk rock? O_O

Back in the day there was one category of rock: "ROCK", and that's the way we likes'ed it. Now there's so many bleeping different categories it's hard fricken keep track of them all. @_@
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Quote Moments Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 3:49pm
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No, Madonna is she-metal. You're comparing bananas and pomegranates.


I fail to see what she-metal has to do with progressive fruit.
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Quote Larwick Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by Emtch

Do people really get mad at what they read at the internet?


DUDE, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN.
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Quote Monkey 'o Doom Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 8:25pm
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Originally posted by Monkey 'o Doom

No, Madonna is she-metal. You're comparing bananas and pomegranates.


I fail to see what she-metal has to do with progressive fruit.
 
Dude, progressive fruit took the fruit genre, stuck it in a blender, and digested the bloody mess that came out. It's not worthy of being called music.

RPG is numberwang.
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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 8:49pm
It's no coincidence that applecores aren't considered fruit
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Quote Fatalis67 Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 9:16pm
Anyone else here into brutal death metal?
Brutal fruit is awesome. Like a kiwano.It's got rubber skin and spikes.


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Quote The B.O.B. Replybullet Posted: 10 October 2008 at 11:29pm
   Fatalis67, you may as well cut it with the sub-sub-sub-sub metal categorizing, and just name the bands themselves. I think we'll understand much better whom you're asking about if you do.

   Also, just got "Heaven Shall Burn"s cd "iconoclasts." Though some may consider it another generic Metalcore album, I certainly am enjoying the poo out of it. Great band, if I say so my self.
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Quote Emtch Replybullet Posted: 11 October 2008 at 12:32am
This one is great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI1MWPw_ZJc especially the chipmunk version.
 
And here's a real one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7FgQscltl8 Kataklysm


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