Pixel Joint Forum: Pando-lantern C+C

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 Hi everyone i haven't been on here in a while so hello to everyone again. I'm trying to make a pandalantern please Critique. Thanks in advance =)

Also i'm a newb at anti aliasing so tips would be awesome as you can see i messed it up.

Edited by SuperPanda - 28 October 2009 at 7:28pm

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SuperPanda Commander Joined: 24 January 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 102	Topic: Pando-lantern C+C Posted: 28 October 2009 at 7:26pm
	Hi everyone i haven't been on here in a while so hello to everyone again. I'm trying to make a pandalantern please Critique. Thanks in advance =) Also i'm a newb at anti aliasing so tips would be awesome as you can see i messed it up. Edited by SuperPanda - 28 October 2009 at 7:28pm
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Manupix Commander Joined: 05 November 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 771	Posted: 29 October 2009 at 2:41am
	Looks good; the black spots / holes for eyes and ears are too similar I think. The belly outline is unnecessary. You'll have to choose either black outlines everywhere, or 'selout' (color outlines) everywhere. And, if it's a sprite for a game, don't AA the outline, it doesn't work with variable backgrounds.
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Hatch Admiral Joined: 05 August 2015 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1387	Posted: 29 October 2009 at 7:22am
	Your light source is inconsistent--left on the white belly, above on the arms/head, right on the legs/torso. It's having the effect of making the white belly look concave, or even a bit like a hole through him...! @Manu: selout is actually something a bit different, and rather discouraged these days. I think colored outlines we just call colored outlines ;) EDIT: Relevant. No matter how it's explained, it boils down to antialiasing to a non-existent dark background. It never really looked good unless the sprite was ALWAYS gonna be on a dark background (never). EDIT THE SECOND: And yes, I know my avatar uses selout. I was inexperienced and didn't know any better at the time. Edited by Hatch - 29 October 2009 at 8:40am
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SuperPanda Commander Joined: 24 January 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 102	Posted: 29 October 2009 at 7:37am
	Thanks for taking the time to help manupix it's appreciated. I removed the inner black outline and changed the ears so they are sticking out of the top of the pumpkin. Fiddled with the staff a little not sure if it looks good yet. @Hatch: Thanks i added this last edit before i got to see yours. Here's an edit trying to fix the light source. It mainly is coming from the lantern the panda is holding which is on his left side to the up above his head. here's edit trying to make the lighting better Here's another attempt at lighting. Edited by SuperPanda - 29 October 2009 at 7:57am
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Manupix Commander Joined: 05 November 2024 Online Status: Offline Posts: 771	Posted: 29 October 2009 at 5:27pm
	Better! This light you're attempting is difficult, there are some traps... Mostly: the highlight tones are inverted: the lighter greenish yellow should be on the side of the light, then the slightly darker orange. Desaturate those highlights! A lot! And the hues look too widely different. Also, the highlight colors should be different on the body and head, even if both are warm (supposing the light itself to be warm). There could be a lighter highlight on the head closest to the candle. The right leg will receive far less light as it's further away: 3x farther = 9x less light. The left leg can't get any light at all. Maybe just the tip of the foot. Belly: wrong! If it's white, it can't be lighter than white! Darken the belly parts which are not lit, including white. Also, the lit area should be contiguous btw belly and right side. Lower and left sides of the head should be way darker. Head casts a shadow on left arm, neck, torso. Other issues: the arms are too straight and too symmetric. Curve them very gently, raise one a little (staff side?), or lower the other, or both. Maybe you might make the staff vertical. It would help with those jaggies you have no way to remove (when you make the bg transparent, that is). Or have a bg and AA! @Hatch: thanks for reminding me! I'm permanently banning ~~selout~~ from my vocabulary. Edited by Manupix - 29 October 2009 at 5:29pm
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SuperPanda Commander Joined: 24 January 2023 Online Status: Offline Posts: 102	Posted: 29 October 2009 at 10:00pm
	Hey manu thanks so much for the critiques always appreciate it. I tried darkening the lower left corner of the pumpkin. I desaturated the yellow highlights. I changed the shading of the belly to a non inverted style. I fixed the staff so its straight up and down. Changed position of the arms. Here's the update.
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